Thats my argument to every one of these threadsHavok985 said:at the end of the day it's just a movie, relax.
That's not particularly true. While Avatar has earned an obscene amount of money, the earnings have not been adjusted for inflation. If you factor in inflation Avatar is not the best selling/ highest grossing movie of all time, Gone with the Wind gets that honor, nor is it even in the top ten (Avatar comes in at number 20)Dhell said:if you didint like it ***** to james its the best selling movie of all time..beating his own record avatar was a good movie..its a original the cgi was supurb stop knocking on it
Large, powerful companies always get to do what they like. This can be seen on Earth in the present day too.sms_117b said:> There are regulations to stop companies moving indigenous species off their homeland/territory, so activist groups and laws would stop the company doing what they are doing. Yes Pandora is another planet but, the laws protecting indigenous species would easily carry over to another planet with the amount of publication Pandora and other planets would get, especially because countries would apply pressure not to wipe out life from another planet.
They can restrict the flow of the material even after they've strip-mined the planet. No reason they can't keep it in storage and just claimed it was in limited supply.sms_117b said:> Why would he want to dig up something that valuable, having a massive source that's untouchable would ensure the resource doesn't run out and anyway, they would want to restrict the flow of the material to keep it's price high.
Can't imagine a marine from the future would ever have had any call to command a cavalry regiment before...sms_117b said:> Why did a former Marine send cavalry in a frontal assault on mechs and machine guns? Military tactics 101 come on
Yeah, cos the Spanish Conquistadors rejoiced when they reached South America and discovered intelligent, indigenous human life... Oh now wait, they didn't, they just killed and enslaved the "primitives and savages" and took their stuff. This is a pattern that's been repeated by humanity throughout history. We take what we want, killing anyone who gets in the way.sms_117b said:> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.
Y'know. I thought about that. There seems to be little regard to regulations on the planet, meaning that almost everything is corperate-regulated. What íf the planet wasn't discovered by 'humanity' but rather by that digging corperation, who brought in some muscle after they found out that the planet they kept off the charts was habited.sms_117b said:> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.
Or the apocalypse. On the Escapist, one wrong makes a right!sms_117b said:Nothing like a good rant, brings everyone closer together, it's kind of like The Blight.
To tell you the truth, I thought it was boring too. It was good, but I didn't like it as much as otherssms_117b said:OK first off I thought the film was average, not bad, not brilliant, it was par, a cool crisp spring morning, the film had stunning visuals, excellent motion capture, good story and as good as can be expected acting. I was bored and could never get into it for little bits and pieces I coudn't overlook in my OCD ways, besides, I found it quite boring.
However, these points:
> Unobtainium, good use of a original name, at least call it something, that just annoyed me.
> Why the hell was it worth $20,000 a gram? That's almost as much as experimental cancer and aids/HIV pharmaceuticals! What does this material do that makes it so freaking valuable?
> Why did the guy digging it up refer to it as $20M per Kg? In his field he'd know to refer to it in grams.
> There are regulations to stop companies moving indigenous species off their homeland/territory, so activist groups and laws would stop the company doing what they are doing. Yes Pandora is another planet but, the laws protecting indigenous species would easily carry over to another planet with the amount of publication Pandora and other planets would get, especially because countries would apply pressure not to wipe out life from another planet.
> But I hear you say that "Earth isn't green anymore" Well, then why aren't governments using ambassadors to negotiate for resources, as what's left of them would in a global crisis.
> Why would he want to dig up something that valuable, having a massive source that's untouchable would ensure the resource doesn't run out and anyway, they would want to restrict the flow of the material to keep it's price high.
> Why did a former Marine send cavalry in a frontal assault on mechs and machine guns? Military tactics 101 come on
> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.
I allowed myself to be drawn in to the whole, planet is alive thing, and mother nature pwns technology, but it still couldn't stop my brain nit picking the film away.
/rant, thank you escapistmag.com, I feel so much better, if you've read to here, wow, thanks I most likely have covered the same thing a few times, if you're still here, point out if I missed anything, I was picking at it with parts of my University course.
I think we have covered a while ago that this movie was far from originalDhell said:if you didint like it ***** to james its the best selling movie of all time..beating his own record avatar was a good movie..its a original the cgi was supurb stop knocking on it
Almost always, have you any idea how much trouble and red tape (in the UK) a company has to undergo before starting up a new quarry/dig site? A lot, small deposits are starting to be ignored due to their low, if present, profit marginecynicalandbored said:Large, powerful companies always get to do what they like. This can be seen on Earth in the present day too.
True, but there's not really a rush for them to mine it all immediately either.cynicalandbored said:They can restrict the flow of the material even after they've strip-mined the planet. No reason they can't keep it in storage and just claimed it was in limited supply.
Or really a marine now, it still is a part of basic tactics and military education, he should have at least been briefed on the navi's horse like creatures from the mercenaries in case he had to fight them.cynicalandbored said:Can't imagine a marine from the future would ever have had any call to command a cavalry regiment before...
That's true and although humanity hasn't changed much, the hippies, and men in nice suits who love their red tape, and newspapers have changed what we can expect to occur during a new encounter, with all the laws in place now-a-days and most countries "we're advanced deal with it" attitudes could you see us repeating that same scenario, the backlash would be horrific and for the whole world to see, human/animal/whatever rights campaigners would be everywhere complainingcynicalandbored said:Yeah, cos the Spanish Conquistadors rejoiced when they reached South America and discovered intelligent, indigenous human life... Oh now wait, they didn't, they just killed and enslaved the "primitives and savages" and took their stuff. This is a pattern that's been repeated by humanity throughout history. We take what we want, killing anyone who gets in the way.
I wasn't really doing it from a optimistic point of view, I, in that guys shoes would be doing the exact same thing to make money if I could, except I probably would have napalmed or something similar ground zero, it's more press coverage and response, governments and bureaucracy, 3 things they could never really get away from in this world.cynicalandbored said:All in all, you seem to have a very optimistic view of the way business, politics, and the human mind work. Just look around at the world today and tell me that none of the things you've been griping about could ever happen.
300, A Knights Tale, Million Dollar Baby and Fearless are amongst my favourite films, so not really solely a explosion guy. I was wondering why it was so expensive, Gold is £80 a gram as a valuable metal, some pharmy's come in at £120,000 or so a gram, it just felt they gave it such a value it couldn't really be justified thus leaving the rest of the film practically pointless. The name, Unobtainium, it's just like someone flicking your ear, you can deal with it, but it still bugs you, it only bugged me because it shows they really weren't trying to be original again.Levitas1234 said:Let me guess you are a baaaaaaaaaaaysplosions fan am i right? 3D not noticeable? what are you talking about, the 3D was superb and was clear and well defined through the entire movie! Your points about why the movie is bad makes no sense, complaining about how expensive something is and what they decided to name it makes you look like an ignorant bigot that has nothing better to do than complain about something he has no idea about.
Main problem I could see is why wouldn't the company just take the fast and cheap way, straight away and kill them all, with no-one looking over the proverbial shoulder there's no-one to care, so their effort does suggest they're trying to play by the rules, so someone is looking over their shoulder, he must been shown a nice chunk of Uno to look the other way.SamuelT said:Y'know. I thought about that. There seems to be little regard to regulations on the planet, meaning that almost everything is corperate-regulated. What íf the planet wasn't discovered by 'humanity' but rather by that digging corperation, who brought in some muscle after they found out that the planet they kept off the charts was habited.
Of course, there are many problems with this small piece of text, but I thought I'd throw it in there and let it be torn apart by you people.
It wasn't as enjoyable as I had hoped going into it, I got caught up in the hype for once so lost some perspective, like I say a few lines up, it's like being flicked int he ear, not terrible but annoying the more often it comes up. It was a work of art, I admitted to that straight away, the visuals are stunning, but I left the cinema thinking "meh". I've got a genuine brain chemistry problem (A few actually, but only 1 that's relevant here), it wasn't the fact I was getting upset, my mind wouldn't let it rest it was just another thing to think about, I've actually slept during the day today so writing it out somewhere to be read and discussed help a lot.ProfessorLayton said:Yes it was a film full of plot holes, but was it not enjoyable? Did the name of the mineral really cause you to dislike the film? Was it not good enough that it was probably the single most beautiful movie I have ever seen? It was a work of art, and while the story was a bit lame, the rest of the movie was great. Also, it's just a film. Nothing to get upset about.