Avatar rant, sorry just need to get it out the system, been annoying me for weeks!

[ioxles]

Shit made me want to play jagged alliance 2 all over again.

 

[TimeLord]

at the end of the day it's just a movie, relax.

Thats my argument to every one of these threads

 

[twistedmic]

if you didint like it ***** to james its the best selling movie of all time..beating his own record avatar was a good movie..its a original the cgi was supurb stop knocking on it

That's not particularly true. While Avatar has earned an obscene amount of money, the earnings have not been adjusted for inflation. If you factor in inflation Avatar is not the best selling/ highest grossing movie of all time, Gone with the Wind gets that honor, nor is it even in the top ten (Avatar comes in at number 20)

 

[cynicalandbored]

> There are regulations to stop companies moving indigenous species off their homeland/territory, so activist groups and laws would stop the company doing what they are doing. Yes Pandora is another planet but, the laws protecting indigenous species would easily carry over to another planet with the amount of publication Pandora and other planets would get, especially because countries would apply pressure not to wipe out life from another planet.

Large, powerful companies always get to do what they like. This can be seen on Earth in the present day too.

> Why would he want to dig up something that valuable, having a massive source that's untouchable would ensure the resource doesn't run out and anyway, they would want to restrict the flow of the material to keep it's price high.

They can restrict the flow of the material even after they've strip-mined the planet. No reason they can't keep it in storage and just claimed it was in limited supply.

> Why did a former Marine send cavalry in a frontal assault on mechs and machine guns? Military tactics 101 come on

Can't imagine a marine from the future would ever have had any call to command a cavalry regiment before...

> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.

Yeah, cos the Spanish Conquistadors rejoiced when they reached South America and discovered intelligent, indigenous human life... Oh now wait, they didn't, they just killed and enslaved the "primitives and savages" and took their stuff. This is a pattern that's been repeated by humanity throughout history. We take what we want, killing anyone who gets in the way.

All in all, you seem to have a very optimistic view of the way business, politics, and the human mind work. Just look around at the world today and tell me that none of the things you've been griping about could ever happen.

 

[faceless chick]

what i found to be the most stupid and unrealistic bit was the whole "arrows and animals beat superpowered soldiers with mechs and airplanes"

seriously?
are you kidding me?

cameron had the right idea at 1sy- the natives getting their ass kicked, till deus-ex machina hero appeared and mother nature suddenly striked back, because , yeah, it always happens like that, right? remember the american natives getting saved by nature?

no? how about africans? aborigines?

ANYONE?

oh yeah, it's all bullshit..and the whole point of "don't treat natives and wildlife badly" is lost when it all becomes a 2-bit fairy tale.

cameron pretty much killed his own story with that ending.
even pocahontas had a better ending, and i have to say the characters were WAY more complex than avatar. it's sad.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes, orangeban, they're the bad guys.

 

[Urgh76]

it keeps you entertained, but when you look at the blood and guts, its just a reversed ripoff of Pocahontis which is a rip-off of dances with wolves.

so just calm down, and have a bud

 

[Levitas1234]

Let me guess you are a baaaaaaaaaaaysplosions fan am i right? 3D not noticeable? what are you talking about, the 3D was superb and was clear and well defined through the entire movie! Your points about why the movie is bad makes no sense, complaining about how expensive something is and what they decided to name it makes you look like an ignorant bigot that has nothing better to do than complain about something he has no idea about.

 

[SamuelT]

> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.

Y'know. I thought about that. There seems to be little regard to regulations on the planet, meaning that almost everything is corperate-regulated. What íf the planet wasn't discovered by 'humanity' but rather by that digging corperation, who brought in some muscle after they found out that the planet they kept off the charts was habited.

Of course, there are many problems with this small piece of text, but I thought I'd throw it in there and let it be torn apart by you people.

 

[lwm3398]

Nothing like a good rant, brings everyone closer together, it's kind of like The Blight.

Or the apocalypse. On the Escapist, one wrong makes a right!

 

[Tdc2182]

OK first off I thought the film was average, not bad, not brilliant, it was par, a cool crisp spring morning, the film had stunning visuals, excellent motion capture, good story and as good as can be expected acting. I was bored and could never get into it for little bits and pieces I coudn't overlook in my OCD ways, besides, I found it quite boring.

However, these points:

> Unobtainium, good use of a original name, at least call it something, that just annoyed me.
> Why the hell was it worth $20,000 a gram? That's almost as much as experimental cancer and aids/HIV pharmaceuticals! What does this material do that makes it so freaking valuable?
> Why did the guy digging it up refer to it as $20M per Kg? In his field he'd know to refer to it in grams.
> There are regulations to stop companies moving indigenous species off their homeland/territory, so activist groups and laws would stop the company doing what they are doing. Yes Pandora is another planet but, the laws protecting indigenous species would easily carry over to another planet with the amount of publication Pandora and other planets would get, especially because countries would apply pressure not to wipe out life from another planet.
> But I hear you say that "Earth isn't green anymore" Well, then why aren't governments using ambassadors to negotiate for resources, as what's left of them would in a global crisis.
> Why would he want to dig up something that valuable, having a massive source that's untouchable would ensure the resource doesn't run out and anyway, they would want to restrict the flow of the material to keep it's price high.
> Why did a former Marine send cavalry in a frontal assault on mechs and machine guns? Military tactics 101 come on
> Finally, new planet, new intelligent lifeforms, Earth would rejoice, governments would ALL attempt to save face and enter negotiations with them before the metal was even found, so they should know of holy places and that mining corp would have just been closed down by Earth.

I allowed myself to be drawn in to the whole, planet is alive thing, and mother nature pwns technology, but it still couldn't stop my brain nit picking the film away.

/rant, thank you escapistmag.com, I feel so much better, if you've read to here, wow, thanks I most likely have covered the same thing a few times, if you're still here, point out if I missed anything, I was picking at it with parts of my University course.

To tell you the truth, I thought it was boring too. It was good, but I didn't like it as much as others

As for the money, 20,000 dollars probably ain't that much in the future. Inflation and economy and so on.

I think we arre suppose to take it that earth doesn't know much about what is going on here, and there were some minor activist in the movie.

And for the rest of them, this is 400(?) years in the future. It wouldn't be uncomon to see much change

 

[Tdc2182]

if you didint like it ***** to james its the best selling movie of all time..beating his own record avatar was a good movie..its a original the cgi was supurb stop knocking on it

I think we have covered a while ago that this movie was far from original

 

[Pokeylope]

as fun as the 3D was to look at the movie was pretty bad, and certainly not best picture nomination worthy.
Not to pick on specific points that've already been brought up (unobtainium? really?!?) or the obvious pocahontaswithwolveslastsamurai stuff, the entire thing was just ham-fisted and clumsy. It felt like another big budget movie written by committee for maximum appeal.

There are bad evil corporations, and they're so evil it's bad
and there are good natural navi who live with nature and are good
I dont even necessarily disagree with the message, just the preachy, clumsy way they're presenting it.

oh and "fight terror, with terror!" what? What did the navi do?

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Yes it was a film full of plot holes, but was it not enjoyable? Did the name of the mineral really cause you to dislike the film? Was it not good enough that it was probably the single most beautiful movie I have ever seen? It was a work of art, and while the story was a bit lame, the rest of the movie was great. Also, it's just a film. Nothing to get upset about.

 

[sms_117b]

Large, powerful companies always get to do what they like. This can be seen on Earth in the present day too.

Almost always, have you any idea how much trouble and red tape (in the UK) a company has to undergo before starting up a new quarry/dig site? A lot, small deposits are starting to be ignored due to their low, if present, profit margine

They can restrict the flow of the material even after they've strip-mined the planet. No reason they can't keep it in storage and just claimed it was in limited supply.

True, but there's not really a rush for them to mine it all immediately either.

Can't imagine a marine from the future would ever have had any call to command a cavalry regiment before...

Or really a marine now, it still is a part of basic tactics and military education, he should have at least been briefed on the navi's horse like creatures from the mercenaries in case he had to fight them.

Yeah, cos the Spanish Conquistadors rejoiced when they reached South America and discovered intelligent, indigenous human life... Oh now wait, they didn't, they just killed and enslaved the "primitives and savages" and took their stuff. This is a pattern that's been repeated by humanity throughout history. We take what we want, killing anyone who gets in the way.

That's true and although humanity hasn't changed much, the hippies, and men in nice suits who love their red tape, and newspapers have changed what we can expect to occur during a new encounter, with all the laws in place now-a-days and most countries "we're advanced deal with it" attitudes could you see us repeating that same scenario, the backlash would be horrific and for the whole world to see, human/animal/whatever rights campaigners would be everywhere complaining

All in all, you seem to have a very optimistic view of the way business, politics, and the human mind work. Just look around at the world today and tell me that none of the things you've been griping about could ever happen.

I wasn't really doing it from a optimistic point of view, I, in that guys shoes would be doing the exact same thing to make money if I could, except I probably would have napalmed or something similar ground zero, it's more press coverage and response, governments and bureaucracy, 3 things they could never really get away from in this world.

 

[sms_117b]

Let me guess you are a baaaaaaaaaaaysplosions fan am i right? 3D not noticeable? what are you talking about, the 3D was superb and was clear and well defined through the entire movie! Your points about why the movie is bad makes no sense, complaining about how expensive something is and what they decided to name it makes you look like an ignorant bigot that has nothing better to do than complain about something he has no idea about.

300, A Knights Tale, Million Dollar Baby and Fearless are amongst my favourite films, so not really solely a explosion guy. I was wondering why it was so expensive, Gold is £80 a gram as a valuable metal, some pharmy's come in at £120,000 or so a gram, it just felt they gave it such a value it couldn't really be justified thus leaving the rest of the film practically pointless. The name, Unobtainium, it's just like someone flicking your ear, you can deal with it, but it still bugs you, it only bugged me because it shows they really weren't trying to be original again.

Besides, this was a rant thread, you decided to come in here and read, don't be getting all aggressive over t'internet there's no point.

Y'know. I thought about that. There seems to be little regard to regulations on the planet, meaning that almost everything is corperate-regulated. What íf the planet wasn't discovered by 'humanity' but rather by that digging corperation, who brought in some muscle after they found out that the planet they kept off the charts was habited.

Of course, there are many problems with this small piece of text, but I thought I'd throw it in there and let it be torn apart by you people.

Main problem I could see is why wouldn't the company just take the fast and cheap way, straight away and kill them all, with no-one looking over the proverbial shoulder there's no-one to care, so their effort does suggest they're trying to play by the rules, so someone is looking over their shoulder, he must been shown a nice chunk of Uno to look the other way.

Yes it was a film full of plot holes, but was it not enjoyable? Did the name of the mineral really cause you to dislike the film? Was it not good enough that it was probably the single most beautiful movie I have ever seen? It was a work of art, and while the story was a bit lame, the rest of the movie was great. Also, it's just a film. Nothing to get upset about.

It wasn't as enjoyable as I had hoped going into it, I got caught up in the hype for once so lost some perspective, like I say a few lines up, it's like being flicked int he ear, not terrible but annoying the more often it comes up. It was a work of art, I admitted to that straight away, the visuals are stunning, but I left the cinema thinking "meh". I've got a genuine brain chemistry problem (A few actually, but only 1 that's relevant here), it wasn't the fact I was getting upset, my mind wouldn't let it rest it was just another thing to think about, I've actually slept during the day today so writing it out somewhere to be read and discussed help a lot.