Awesome PC Gamer article on Dust 514.

[RA92]

I also don't understand why there isn't a PC version in the works. It'd kind of make more sense in the whole "It's a part of the EVE online experience" picture. Now if an EVE player also wants to help out with the ground effort he has no choice but to go out and buy a PS3.

Very nice but I still don't see why I can't play the soldier's perspective on my PC.

Er, MS tried the route of pitting PC gamers and console gamers against each other on an online FPS...

Didn't go too well.

It's understandable why CCP would do this. They already have a share of the PC market with Eve, and they're trying to expand into the console market. I'm really digging the PS3/PC crossplatform shenanigans.

...That sounds awesome.

If I understood correctly - PS3 players will be thugs for hire?

It's a little more than that...

<spoiler=Snippet from a Rock Paper Shotgun interview>RPS: When I first heard about the idea of DUST and EVE, I felt like there was a class structure to it. You have your upper-middle class people flying ships, and then they employ the grunts on the surface. Now, that sounds massively appealing to an EVE player, but how do you sell that to a DUST player?

Thomas: It?s actually not quite the case. It?s not a one-way relationship. The way we?ve designed it, and the way we?ve iterated on the design, is that if you have a corporation that?s pure mercenaries, pure DUST players, then sure, an EVE corp can say, ?I want you to go over here and destroy this guy?s infrastructure. I?ll pay you this much to do it. And if you don?t do it I?m going to be kind of pissed at you.? But then you can also have that DUST corp load up their war barge, go to any planet, and just attack it themselves. And they can take control of that infrastructure. There?s no difference between the infrastructure being deployed between the games. So a pure DUST corp can come in and just start attacking, or if it?s a virgin planet they can deploy planetary infrastructure themselves. So they?re not slaves. They can be self-sufficient. But unless they cooperate they?ll never get the full benefits, because the orbital constructions and the surface-based constructions, they do literally need to be linked to form a space elevator, to gain the maximum benefits and impact sovereignity, so that encourages players to act together.

RPS: So can you see it happening the other way around? Can a DUST corp hire an EVE corp?

Thomas: It?s funny, a lot of the talk has been the other way around. But there?s absolutely no reason why not. Right now there?s not an awful lot a DUST corp can do about orbital control centres and things like that. So it could go the other way.

EVE players already have some amazingly epic-sized space battles (in the past, they broke the servers when they had over 15,000 player-controlled ships in one sector fighting)?I can only imagine how much more exciting and massive they?ll be when they?re happening in tandem with a ground assault on multiple planets? surfaces in the region.

If you're interested, here's an article about the most epic battle that raged on EVE Online: a war that Goonswarm waged for over four fucking years involving thousands of players in different corporate factions.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Seems cool, hell, I might even give EVE Online a look. Ive actually been waiting for a company to do something like this since Yahtzee mentioned his idea of a RTS where you could act as a mercenary.

I am quite keen to take over an AA gun and become Mr Pantomime, Lord Of AA Turrent 15678. Im predicting AA turrents will be a useful commodity.

 

[Ruairi iliffe]

sounds very interesting be cool if the PS3 players decided they want one planet to themselves and joined forces to kill any spaceships that show up, i wonder how the PS3 players will move about as well will they have to be transported e.g. if one faction wants to attack anothers planet or base or what ever will they have to transport their own goons or will the goons be able to get there on their own?

From what i recall they have a Ishukone Funded SuperCapital Ship that drops them off,But Considering Dust Troopers are ment to be using a Simple Verson of the Clone Tech, Id think the way it will work is the EvE Pilots Go into Planetary Interaction(PI mode exists already) and drop off a Mobile clone station, and then the just Jump Clone in from another planet, quick and easy.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I wanna be a gun runner ... and drop awesome weapons from orbit for the troops on the ground to use.

 

[RA92]

sounds very interesting be cool if the PS3 players decided they want one planet to themselves and joined forces to kill any spaceships that show up, i wonder how the PS3 players will move about as well will they have to be transported e.g. if one faction wants to attack anothers planet or base or what ever will they have to transport their own goons or will the goons be able to get there on their own?

The DUST corps have their own war barges. So yeah, they can travel to any planet they want.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Er, MS tried the route of pitting PC gamers and console gamers against each other on an online FPS...

Didn't go too well.

It's understandable why CCP would do this. They already have a share of the PC market with Eve, and they're trying to expand into the console market. I'm really digging the PS3/PC crossplatform shenanigans.

I'm aware that Microsoft tried that and I still don't see why CCP should punish the very people who put them in the position to be able to afford developing another game just because console gamers can't aim as well. They just as easily could've, y'know, never started on a PS3 version to begin with. Or give the console gamers aiming assists and then make versions for all consoles rather than just one.

 

[Treblaine]

I also don't understand why there isn't a PC version in the works. It'd kind of make more sense in the whole "It's a part of the EVE online experience" picture. Now if an EVE player also wants to help out with the ground effort he has no choice but to go out and buy a PS3.

Simple reason. CCP wants to expand, they already control a market share of PC, now they expand to PS3. And if they made the game for both the consoles and pc, it wouldn't be fair, mouse is way more precise.

Who says this expansion is the right way to go about it?

Only a small minority of PS3 owners have ever even heard of EVE online even less have an interest in the universe and how many of those are keen on the idea of being bossed around by a load of PC gamers?

Now how many EVE players familiar with PC control, play PC FPS games and utterly despair at having to use crappy console controls for FPS. They are interested in the EVE universe.

 

[Ruairi iliffe]

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Honesty going from their Blogs and posts, They just want to reach a new crowd, Most PC gamers have heard of EVE, and givin the UI its better suited to keep Core EVE aimed to the PC group(good or bad is not the question here) and CCP just wanted to have a crack at the Consoles, and an FPS would make better sense there. AS for the PS3, well could you imagine given how bloody annoying MS is with Xbox, no free DLC comes to mind plus hard as hell to update, The PS3 is a better choice for crossplatform interactionin this way. Even if it is Run poory at times....

 

[Treblaine]

Very nice but I still don't see why I can't play the soldier's perspective on my PC.

Er, MS tried the route of pitting PC gamers and console gamers against each other on an online FPS...

Didn't go too well.

It's understandable why CCP would do this. They already have a share of the PC market with Eve, and they're trying to expand into the console market. I'm really digging the PS3/PC crossplatform shenanigans.

Well it's understandable why not BOTH PS3 and PC... but why PS3 at all! PS3 gamers (who don't have gaming capable PC) have NOT been crying for this game. Most PS3 gamers who are interested in an EVE FPS game have a gaming PC and use it!

And even regardless of interest in the Universe, look at how well massive FPS exclusives sell on PS3;

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=MAG&publisher=&console=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

MAG was a First Party game from Sony, extensively advertised and made by a company that is a veteran of making FPS games and after a year it has only sold 1 million copies. That is really bad for a 1st party project, for a third party it is even worse due to the extra licensing costs.

Dust would be competing against the CoD franchise, a HUGELY popular series that people play incessantly like an addictive MMORPG, trying to claw them away from that crack is an uphill struggle. That may be just the business side.

I don't blame CCP for wanting to expand but this is the wrong way to do it. They should bring their Space Sim to the console first and build it from there.

I would like to play this game but not on my PS3. Because I know a game like this deserves a PC release.

 

[Korten12]

Er, MS tried the route of pitting PC gamers and console gamers against each other on an online FPS...

Didn't go too well.

It's understandable why CCP would do this. They already have a share of the PC market with Eve, and they're trying to expand into the console market. I'm really digging the PS3/PC crossplatform shenanigans.

I'm aware that Microsoft tried that and I still don't see why CCP should punish the very people who put them in the position to be able to afford developing another game just because console gamers can't aim as well. They just as easily could've, y'know, never started on a PS3 version to begin with. Or give the console gamers aiming assists and then make versions for all consoles rather than just one.

They already stated that the reason it's not on 360 is because of XBL, and also it's not on PC because this is a new way to get into the EvE universe and not really meant for EvE players but a new audiance.

They stated when this game was announced that it would console exclusive (just not which platform at inital announcement) back in 2009...

So people shouldn't be complaining.

It's like if a person told their friends a week ago: I can't go with you guys to the resort.

Then the day they leave - they finally start complaining about how they can't go.

 

[Korten12]

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It won't compete with COD for 2 reasons.

1. It's not the same kind of game, both are FPS sure, but much different in what you can do.

One is an MMOFPS the other is an FPS.

2. As far as we know it will be F2P when playing and downloading. So the game will be free to download off of the PSN store.

So sales aren't an issue.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

They already stated that the reason it's not on 360 is because of XBL, and also it's not on PC because this is a new way to get into the EvE universe and not really meant for EvE players but a new audiance.

I sincerely doubt that every devout PC FPS gamer plays EvE online, so again, they easily could've found their new audience amongst PC gamers too. And I can't help but feel they are doing EvE players a disservice, they can't enjoy the new experience without a heavy investment in a PS3. I prefer an inclusive strategy rather than exclusive one, I don't know much about marketing but I get the feeling that that would bring even more big bucks than just making it exclusively PS3. Unless of course Sony used their age old tactic of throwing a giant sack of money at CCP.

 

[Korten12]

They already stated that the reason it's not on 360 is because of XBL, and also it's not on PC because this is a new way to get into the EvE universe and not really meant for EvE players but a new audiance.

I sincerely doubt that every devout PC FPS gamer plays EvE online, so again, they easily could've found their new audience amongst PC gamers too. And I can't help but feel they are doing EvE players a disservice, they can't enjoy the new experience without a heavy investment in a PS3. I prefer an inclusive strategy rather than exclusive one, I don't know much about marketing but I get the feeling that that would bring even more big bucks than just making it exclusively PS3. Unless of course Sony used their age old tactic of throwing a giant sack of money at CCP.

Well they will need that money since the game will be F2P in both ingame and download, with Free expansions and such.

Also their is no point in complaining now, since it ppl really had a problem they should have protested, in 2009, when the game was originally announced for Consoles only.

Like I said in my analogy I posted to you.

 

[Treblaine]

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It won't compete with COD for 2 reasons.

1. It's not the same kind of game, both are FPS sure, but much different in what you can do.

One is an MMOFPS the other is an FPS.

2. As far as we know it will be F2P when playing and downloading. So the game will be free to download off of the PSN store.

So sales aren't an issue.

Wait they are going with the Free-to-play model but feel the need to go with PS3?!?!?

WHHHYY! Free to play is SOOO successful on PC, beyond sales and money: people.

F2P on PC would generate a far larger player base for gaming variety and full matches.


And sorry it does compete with CoD as CoD is THE online FPS games because console gamers REALLY want to play the same games their friends are playing, they move as a heard and like to play online with each other. TIME matters here more than price. Their time is spent playing CoD for many reasons:
-addictiveness of levelling up and prestige-ing
-the form factor of a small map, fast respawn and short time limit
-the community of video recording, weapons loadout advice and so on

I think if CCP doesn't realise why so many log in to play these games, then people will not even download Dust 514.

If it is large objective based battles with strategy dictated by super-ship PC gamers then that will not be appreciated by PS3 gamers. And most PS3 gamers who do get it will probably wish they could be playing on PC instead.

This just seems so arbitrary, why move to consoles? Everyone knows mouse is king for aiming and impossible to screw up, but to even get thumbstick aiming tolerable you have to tweak it SOOOO perfectly. You have to have really good coding of aim-assist and look acceleration, this is something most console FPS games - even veteran developers - struggle with.

 

[Korten12]

If it is large objective based battles with strategy dictated by super-ship PC gamers then that will not be appreciated by PS3 gamers. And most PS3 gamers who do get it will probably wish they could be playing on PC instead.

This just seems so arbitrary, why move to consoles? Everyone knows mouse is king for aiming and impossible to screw up, but to even get thumbstick aiming tolerable you have to tweak it SOOOO perfectly. You have to have really good coding of aim-assist and look acceleration, this is something most console FPS games - even veteran developers - struggle with.

MAG as you mentioned, doesn't have aim-assist. That's pure aiming and works fine.

Also no offense but this is pure elitism:
And most PS3 gamers who do get it will probably wish they could be playing on PC instead.

this proved it: "then that will not be appreciated by PS3 gamers...Wish they could be playing on PC instead?" Say's who? How do you know it won't be appreciated this goes back to the argument: "Console gamers are stupid, herp derp."

Also COD isn't the only FPS to have a player-base to attract to, ppl still play MAG, Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, their isn't just COD to compete with. Also since it's free, they don't technically need to "steal" anyone's playerbase.

Espicialy with Black Ops (which I liked) left a bad taste in many PS3 gamers mouth, I would say that also shouldn't make any problems.

 

[Pingieking]

My god, I want this game! Though I do wish it was on PC, or have mouse support. I suck at shooting with twin sticks.
I love EVE, but I just don't have the $$ and time to sink into a really deep MMO.

 

[farq1414]

...That sounds awesome.

If I understood correctly - PS3 players will be thugs for hire?

sony thugs 4 hire at your surveis

anyway this isn't the first time we have had PS3/PC cross game remeber portal 2 but this looks good and i think it's for free (yay!)

 

[Korten12]

My god, I want this game! Though I do wish it was on PC, or have mouse support. I suck at shooting with twin sticks.
I love EVE, but I just don't have the $$ and time to sink into a really deep MMO.

It won't mouse support would give an unfair advantage.

 

[Pingieking]

My god, I want this game! Though I do wish it was on PC, or have mouse support. I suck at shooting with twin sticks.
I love EVE, but I just don't have the $$ and time to sink into a really deep MMO.

It won't mouse support would give an unfair advantage.

I know
It sucks, but I understand. It's just that I'm a terrible shooter with the two sticks, and merely a bad shooter with the mouse.

 

[Korten12]

My god, I want this game! Though I do wish it was on PC, or have mouse support. I suck at shooting with twin sticks.
I love EVE, but I just don't have the $$ and time to sink into a really deep MMO.

It won't mouse support would give an unfair advantage.

I know
It sucks, but I understand. It's just that I'm a terrible shooter with the two sticks, and merely a bad shooter with the mouse.

Well if you got the Move it will be for it. If you can used to the sharpshooter, it works quite well.