Backwards Compability (Or why gaming sucks, period)

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Judgement101

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Djinn8 said:
There is one solution...



...buy a PC
Yup, because Windows 7 can natively run every game ever made ever. Sorry, I'm just bitter -_-

I still hate that I can't play Persona 4 on my PS3, and before someone says "HURR DURR YES YOU CAN!" No, I can't. I am not aware if it is a software issue, my PS3 being weird, my disc being scratched. But it won't read the disc.
 

Nalgas D. Lemur

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snekadid said:
I have Nes games but unlike all the next generation of nintendo consoles the nes was a fragile PoS, prone to bugging out and instability even when directly out of the box, and the parts degraded far faster then modern tech would.
Derp? The pins on the cartridge connector have a tendency to get bent out of place over time with use, but it's easy to open it up and fix that yourself even if you have no idea how electronics work, because all the parts are so huge and there's nothing like soldering involved. It also usually takes a while before that becomes a serious problem. In the worst case, it's very cheap and easy to replace the entire connector the cartridges slide into after it eventually wears out. There's no other major problem with the NES that I can think of off the top of my head that happens on a regular basis. The thing is virtually indestructible compared to modern electronics other than that one stupid part, like most things from that point in time were, because it's much less complex, has far fewer things to go wrong, and doesn't put out anywhere remotely near as much heat (which kills stuff like that over time).

I've fixed the cartridge connector on my NES once since the mid-80s, and it's otherwise perfectly fine, just like most of them that haven't been horribly abused, or even better, the later top-loading ones that didn't have that problem at all. Compare that to the failure rate for any of the disc-based consoles (more moving parts is one of the big problems, but it's also coincided with both more complexity and higher heat levels, especially recently), even within 3-5 years, and it's pretty amazing. You certainly could make something with the power of a 360 or PS3 that has the reliability of a top-loading NES, but it would be slightly more expensive... Heh.
 

Lovely Mixture

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To me backwards compatibility represents historical archival.
In my perfect world, every from of media would be recorded and play-able.
 

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GunsmithKitten said:
WIll it run Sleeping Dogs with the full HD patch at at least 50fps?

If not, not interested. I don't care to get one only to get the same garbage from the Master Race.
Beyond the fact that even running sleeping dogs without the patch would result in a better looking and smoother running game than a console could give you, I'm going to say maybe - dependent on what you have now.
After checking the system requirements, I could get it all for $400-$500 Australian - the Recommended GPU which would likely run it over 60FPS would be $200 down here, and we generally pay more than other countries for this sort of stuff. RAM would cost maybe $50 if you're unlucky, and then the CPU and Mobo should generally be alright even if from a PC 8 years old. Of course, it would depend on what that PC was, and could end up costing another $300 to get that up if you're future proofing. Beyond that, if you have Windows you're set.
Granted you'll have to go to the trouble of assembling it, but that's not too hard so long as you are careful not to touch exposed chips, or let anything magnetic or high static potential near them during assembly [And post, but they'll be encased by then].

So, as an answer to your question, it would depend on where you live, what the stores nearby have available, and what you already have. Its not impossible for $400 to cover it though, even for an old machine.
 

Mycroft Holmes

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Why should they spend their money hiring coders to work on compatibility issues just to stop your whining? Making a program run on multiple hardware sets is a fucking nightmare and is basically the reason why so many bugs exist(especially on PCs where you have to compensate for many different types of hardware.) Stop acting like a child, it's a company not a charity. If it was economically viable for them to hire coders to work on making older software run on newer systems then they would be doing that. But making you happy is not a viable economic strategy because gamers have proven to be unable to actually boycott companies effectively. And even if it was viable, demanding that people do work for you for free is the 'adult' way of throwing a temper tantrum.

And PC's have compatibility issues as well. I haven't been able to play KOTOR for like 4 years because Bioware doesn't want to make it compatible with newer systems and I have yet to buy a GOG copy. The PCs ability to run games with compatibility for many systems has very little to do with PC gaming companies. It's more to do with the fact that there are talented fans who will reverse engineer products and produce emulators for fun or experience. Or who will determine ways to edit files to fix less extensive compatibility problems. This combined with the easy and open access to the internet, and the powerful mod-ability of a computer allows for amateur enthusiasts to fix such problems. Thus the answer of why its so easy on computers has more to do with their versatility than your imagined ease of programming compatibility.
 

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tippy2k2 said:
And no, it's not just something they take out because they want to screw over their consumer base. The PS3 hardware can't just run the PS2 games; it used a completely separate set of chips [http://www.semperthree.com/backwards-compatibility.html] in order to run the PS2 games. By removing these, they are able to drop the price of the system. This shit isn't free and I'm surprised that there are still people who just don't understand that.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just some "obsessed fanboy" justifying the raping of your wallet that Sony is doing, right?
Yes, because if Sony says it can't run PS2 games, it must be true. I like on how you pretend as if they wouldn't have been able to drop the prices while keeping the chips. Because as we all know, that's how they lowered the prices for PS2s. By taking away playback compatibility. Or was it that the playback capability actually got better? Gosh, I can't remember. I also like that a price is never actually mentioned for these chips. Even according to the article, they aren't that drastic.
 

Latinidiot

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There are many walls of text on these pages, and while not having read all of them I feel i must say that when we got a dvd player back in 2000, we did not feel cheated because it couldn't play VHS.
 

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Father Time said:
lacktheknack said:
Father Time said:
Djinn8 said:
There is one solution...



...buy a PC
And get some pirated emulators?
Why do that when you can do it legally?

(OK, other than convenience, but it's DOABLE, dammit!)
How Damnit!? *pounds fist on table*
For PS2:

Step One: Get your console modded so it reads CD-ROMs. This is legal, last I checked.

Step Two: Download a PS2 emulator. ePSXe is nice.

Step Three: Burn "DumpBios-USB.iso" (found on the internet) onto a CD-ROM.

Step Four: Insert the disk and a USB stick into the PS2, and turn it on.

Step Five: Dump the BIOS, check emulation forums for details.

Step Six: Take the USB stick and get the BIOS from it. Pop it into the emulator, download and set up the rest of the emulation components, and enjoy your legal emulation software.

I'm not entirely sure how to transfer the games themselves, but it is doable. I just bought a modded PS2 a while back and made the emulator to see if it could be done.

Obviously, if this is too much, then you should stick to normal consoles. But the point is that it can be done.
 

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BNguyen said:
Djinn8 said:
There is one solution...



...buy a PC
PCs don't have access to every game we'd like to replay
Look harder. You can download the ROMs to most games (it isn't piracy if you already owned the game dammit). There are very few games you can't find (I'm looking at you Wand of Gamelon)
 

viranimus

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Its not ridiculous.. It is simply wrong. But This is commonly expected behavior from a company that demands you willingly abandon your rights, So that you may access one of the selling features of the console you legally purchased.

You know, I saw What Jim Said, on how whining about it is the most effective thing to do, and yes it is in a sense. However it is NOT the only thing you can, or should be doing. Its not just going on forums and preaching, Its making your actions count and that you stand behind your actions. So I think the boycott thing must also be firmly in place too, as do I think that every gamer right now needs to be filing weekly reports to the Federal Trade Commission over these transgressions and do not stop until we see this forced to the surface and officially addressed in open public forum, Instead of in the late night dwellings in lawyers offices and paralegal drafting boards.

Honestly... This is not just a gaming issue. These issues are simply deeply neglected symptoms of a much greater illness, and the biggest cause of its rampant spread is directly due to widespread apathy and copious amounts of neglect for the welfare of ones self and that of others.

We seriously need to start banding together to start viable dialog on how we as a society of civilized people will not be herded into a coral of Corpratocracy, and what steps will can and will take to impede, and in fact repel the clear march it makes.


(Or you can just ignore the seemingly deranged ramblings of someone suffering REMDepro and lost touch with reality, but not sure if thats me or the other me or not all of us. But I should know by tomorrow, thursday at the latest.

KAT DENNINGS FOR UNQUESTIONED QUEEN OF ALL!!!!)

Sorry, Sorry. Got off track there.

Yes, It is simple. It was originally a selling feature of the console. Technically no matter how it was justified it was wrong to remove hardware emulation at any time. But if that actually does open a window to reduce hardware production cost in a new form of that product, so be it, but the software emulation even then existed and at no time EVER should that been taken away. Even if it was 50% emulation, Its obviously no longer at that rate because they now proactively sell these titles. They have clearly worked around the hardware limitations of timing the old Emotion engine and its corresponding parts to the current PS3 hardware, be it bypassing those run clocks, or optimized synronization or how ever it has been accomplished, The simple fact it has been accomplished, From the moment they sold the first PS2 games via network The network should have also been immediately patched to enable any form of existing PS3 to run backwards compat, Specifically because... It always has, and technically always will be thru the life of the console, a selling feature.

Now if Sony learns from the mistake and decides no way in hell Backwards compat on PS4, SO long as that is consistent through the life span the console is supported, It technically is their product. But the moment you give, then take away, your no longer operating on the up and up, and low leading into the realm of shady corpratized buisness practices that will only bring you down slower, and simply delay your demise, but, Whatever.
 

clippen05

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Change the thread to why console gaming sucks period, as on the good old PC, this problem is far less pronounced.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
Yeah, I know that feel. I can't play gba games on my DSi
Not being able to play gba almost stopped me from buying my DSi. I wouldn't have bought it either if my DSlite hadn't broken and left me no other way to play DS games i already owned. I later realized I could have bought another DSlite but oh well, that is in the past now.
 

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Or, you could stop whining and get over it. Who cares if you can't play last gen games on your console? I don't, and you shouldn't either.

The gaming industry should be focused on moving forward in regards to gameplay and hardware. We, as the gamers, shouldn't care one bit whether or not our console has BC.

Want to play some PS2 games, but have a PS3? Then buy a freaking PS2. They're not expensive.

I'm honestly getting tired of seeing everyone whine about BC like it's our God given right to have it. Get. Over. It.

EDIT: Just saw this and I have to quote for absolute truth.

Latinidiot said:
There are many walls of text on these pages, and while not having read all of them I feel i must say that when we got a dvd player back in 2000, we did not feel cheated because it couldn't play VHS.