Backwards compatibility is important, here's why...

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remnant_phoenix

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So I read this piece by a guy whose opinion I hold in relatively high regard. It's about how expensive gaming is compared to other media, and it got me thinking.

"Let's compare video games to a few other media in terms how much of an ongoing investment each entails.

First, the novel. An avid reader has only to go to the store and purchase his favorite authors' newest books as they are published.

The radio. The listener has only to buy a radio and plug it in at a place where he gets reception. Unless something happens to the device, there is never any need to replace it so long as it still functions.

The movies. A frequent patron of the movie theatre has only to transport himself to the cinema and pay for a ticket. (Obviously, it becomes a bit more complicated and costly when a film buff decides he wants to watch movies in the comfort of his own home.)

Keeping up with video games isn't as simple. First you have to buy a console. If you don't have a television (unlikely), you'll need to purchase one (preferably an expensive high-definition home entertainment hub that uses as much electricity as a refrigerator). And you'll need to buy games. You'll need to buy controllers to play them. You'll probably need a hard drive or memory card, too. And you might need special controllers for certain games. Maybe you'll need to pay to register an online account, too. Oh, did a spin-off or sequel to your favorite console game appear on a handheld system? Gosh, you'd better buy a handheld. And games for the handheld. Did your favorite video game developer release a game on a console you don't own? You'd better buy that console, too -- plus controllers, plus a memory card, plus more games to justify the investment. Oh, look -- a new console just hit the market, and now they no longer make games in your obsolete system's format. (Remember that the film buff rarely has to choose between home video formats, and the average lifespan of a given format is 10-20 years.) So you'll need to buy a new console, new controllers, new games, new memory cards, spend money to download your old games onto the hard drive of your new system..."

Now, keeping up with PC gaming isn't quite as complicated, but one does have to build a gaming rig and upgrade it every once in a while, and that can still be really expensive, especially if you're not well-versed in the world of PC building/upgrading and have to pay someone else to do it for you.

The thing that stands out the most to me is this: "Oh, look -- a new console just hit the market, and now they no longer make games in your obsolete system's format. (Remember that the film buff rarely has to choose between home video formats, and the average lifespan of a given format is 10-20 years.)"

My thought: this is why we need backwards compatibility. Yes, I know that it can drive up costs and it makes things more complicated, but we're living in a world where older games are harder and harder to get, a world where companies let older games collect dust and it's up to sites like GOG or services like Wii Virtual Console to keep the excellent games of the past from vanishing into obscurity. I know it also encourages piracy, especially with the proliferation of unlicensed emulation.

As we go into the next generation of consoles, I hope that devs keep the importance of backwards-compatibility in mind.

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Jimmy T. Malice

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One of the main reasons that backwards compatibility has been removed is so that companies (especially Sony) can cash in by producing HD versions of classic titles.
 

Uriain

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For personal reasons only, I think consoles should be backwards compatible simply because they do not make HD remix's of many games. They take a tiny handful and forget the rest. Which, when specifically talking about the PS2 - PS3 progression, is a huge disservice to the PS2 library, as there was a TON of great games there.
 

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s69-5 said:
Question: Is the Vita BC with PSP?
No and yes. It doesn't have a UMD slot to make room for that stupid back touchpad, so it's not compatible with any UMD games you've got. But, you can buy a select amount of PSP games in the PSN store. But, most games are insanely overpriced. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker is £20 on the PSN store, whereas the UMD brand new on Amazon.co.uk is £10. But some are actually nicely priced, LBP on the PSP is £8 on the PSN store which I reckon is alright.

Don't get me started on the prices of Vita games on that store. 45 pounds for Fifa Football, a launch game, and not a really good one at that!
 

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Relish in Chaos said:
There?s a reason that the Game Boy line was so popular.
And the DS line, with the exception of the DSi all the DS systems have been backwards compatible with the previous console. The 3DS is compatible with DS games, the DS and DS lite are compatible with GBA games, etc.
 

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I agree in some aspects and not in others but I will say this. I just use my old systems when I want to play my old games. If I have old games I likely have the old system that went with them.
 

Paladin2905

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Without backwards compatibility, gaming is just a drug. You always need a new supply and the pushers in the industry will surely water it down.

Personally I strongly agree that backwards compatibility is a desirable part of just about any video game system. I think that it can be directly traced to helping the PS2 do so well through its particular console generation due to the immediate existence of a game library.

That being said, I wouldn't expect it to be all that common. I was pissed when the PS3 dropped that feature and I think that it will be less and less common as time goes on and licensing of properties gets tighter.

I just hope that the people out there that keep old games chugging on newer hardware keep it up; one of the best things I ever found was DOSBox, and that is the spirit that keeps the older fun alive.
 

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Yah i didn't get the part where you said PC gaming isn't as complicated as console gaming. It's objectively the other way around. When you consider that almost everyone has a TV, it can be eliminated from the equation. It would be like eliminating the variable about needing a car to take you to the bookstore to buy a book. And when you buy a console, it comes with a controller and almost always with a memory card / Hard Drive. So i think that should be revised in your original post.

However, I wholeheartedly agree that backwards compatibility is very important to a new console. When a new system comes out, it isn't cost-efficient enough for the consumer to just say "yup, all those games a i bought for the past 7 years - worthless". It also makes it easier for people to turn in their old console to help pay for a new one, driving up the sales on a new console since the cost will be lowered with this method for many people. Plus, it's just not cool to forget about all the great games that come out with systems. I would have loved to play certain Xbox games on my 360, but they just wouldn't run on it for some inexplicable reason, so they became worthless.
 

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remnant_phoenix said:
especially if you're not well-versed in the world of PC building/upgrading and have to pay someone else to do it for you.
Boohoo, my store charges 20 bucks for that service.

jollybarracuda said:
Yah i didn't get the part where you said PC gaming isn't as complicated as console gaming. It's objectively the other way around. When you consider that almost everyone has a TV, it can be eliminated from the equation.
In 4 TV sets I tried my 360 on, the image absolutely sucked to the point of not being able to read text. 3 were old tvs and another was a Sony Bravia. Some 720p model, I don't know the model.

I can choose parts for a new computer but I don't know how to choose a TV that will let me read the goddamn subtitles. You think it's subjectively more complicated. It's not a factual argument, I don't know much about computers but I simply don't understand TVs.
 

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ElPatron said:
In 4 TV sets I tried my 360 on, the image absolutely sucked to the point of not being able to read text. 3 were old tvs and another was a Sony Bravia. Some 720p model, I don't know the model.

I can choose parts for a new computer but I don't know how to choose a TV that will let me read the goddamn subtitles. You think it's subjectively more complicated. It's not a factual argument, I don't know much about computers but I simply don't understand TVs.
Finding an appropriate TV aside, my point was that a TV is just simply less to work with. Getting subtitles is one thing; getting a graphics card that can render a new game, getting more RAM, and upgrading an operating system when needed, these are just a few examples of things that are needed to worry about for PC gaming. While you may be more familiar with computers than TVs, it doesn't nullify the fact that there's a whole lot more to a computer than a TV, especially when it comes to gaming. So yah, i'll still stand by that one could objectively say computers are more complex than TVs, specifically on a hardware level.

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Draech said:
Backwards comparability isn't important

You want to play old games?

Get an old console.

Simple as that.

A PS3 has a requirement to be able to play PS3 games. If you expect it to play PS2 games, then you need to redo first grade because you cant seem to count.
The original one could though, and what about those that have the old console break down? They become harder to find over time, and it's not actually that hard for them to do backwards compatibility, I hope the next Xbox does it because I have tonnes of 360 games.

And to flick it off as not important is just stupid, some people have favorites from different generations, what's wrong with them wanting to be able to play them still.
 

Reyold

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Backwards compatibility is a pretty big deal in my book. Even with HD releases, they usually pick the most popular games, leaving other good, but lesser known games behind.
 

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jollybarracuda said:
Finding an appropriate TV aside, my point was that a TV is just simply less to work with.
I am not sure I would agree with that, and it seems to be becoming less true.

At one point a TV in America had two connection, RCA, and Coaxial. Most consumer devices are designed for one connector, or the other.

Several years ago TV shopping was terribly complicated. LCD vs Plasma, vs Rear Projection, vs HD CRT. Hz, vs Black to Black times, vs Gray to Gray times, vs brightness, vs blackness. HDMI vs DVI, vs RGB, vs Component, vs VGA, vs S-Video, vs RCA, vs Coaxial. Simple remotes vs complicated Universal Remotes. Which wall mounting brackets will fit, which TV stands can support the weight of the TV. Lets not forget about 3D TV technologies.

There is also the issue of will my work with my brand new TV? Will the legacy device look good on a widescreen display, or will it be noticeably stretched? How distracting would black bars side of the screen be?

Finally, as the on-screen menus are slowly becoming so much more important to TV usage, the speed, and ease of navigation of the TV's on-screen menu is important.
 

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Draech said:
Backwards comparability isn't important

You want to play old games?

Get an old console.

Simple as that.

A PS3 has a requirement to be able to play PS3 games. If you expect it to play PS2 games, then let me aid you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQC82okzTXI
And.... here we have a /thread

I want my next gen console (if I get one) to play next gen games. If I want to play PS3 games, I have a PS3 for that. If I want to play PS2 games, PS2s are dirt cheap now, not to mention the games.

Complaining about not having BC just seems whiny to me. Game consoles should always be looking toward the future: better software and hardware to run more awesome games. They're not here to run older games.

This is where I'd make a statement involving emulators but I think I might be breaking Escapist rules for it :(