Bad Gaming Sequels

[Woodsey]

KotOR 2's my standard answer.

Of all the people, WHY did they outsource it to Obsidian for fuck's sake?

 

[Malyc]

A bad sequel? Mass Effect 2 was CRAP. The plot was good, but they turned a perfectly good RPG into a pretty 3rd-person shooter.

While I agree with you saying they turned a perfectly good RPG into a pretty 3rd-person shooter, I don't agree that it was crap. I think a better word for it is mediocre, crap would imply it's not worth even a single play through, whereas mediocre would warrant a single play through but not anymore since its just the same shit over and over.

This. I played ME 3 times through with different decisions and classes and I can't finish my 2nd playthrough for the life of me.

Yeah, I have like 4 half played games for ME 2, but have played the first one like 5 times and just started a 6th time through. the Mako is awesome, they should have never gotten rid of it.

They coulda made the driving mechanics a bit better... Like using the camera to controll where the vehicle goes: with the bobcat like steering from the mako, it was easy to overcompensate and fall off the map.

 

[Malyc]

Modern Warfare 2. Even people who weren't that interested in MW1 were disappointed by this.

Speak for yourself, I love Modern Warfare 2. Well, not the multiplayer so much, but I really did enjoy the campaign and I love Spec Ops.

But yeah, the multiplayer is bad.

Really bad.

Just horrible.

Seriously...Dual shotguns? Who the fuck thought that was gonna fly?

So bad....

Hmm... I bet this corner is clear... OH MY GOD *BOOMBOOM*
Really dude? Really? How can you even hold on to those things in recoil?? HOW DO YOU AIM???

 

[Malyc]

I'm surprised Final Fantasy X-2 hasn't been mentioned more than once already. I hate that game with a burning, unrelenting passion.

It's like Nomura went into the game saying, "Hey, you know all that good stuff about 10? The interesting turn-based battles and the complex, thought-provoking story? Yeah, lets just piss on that, and put all the girls in skimpy outfits. Cause that sells, right?".

I mean, yeah, a good sequel SHOULD change a few things, but this game just feels completely at odds with the original. Plus, it just feels cheap. Almost all the areas from the first game are re-used shamelessly, a good chunk of the enemies are also re-used (including the unforgiveable sin of re-using bosses), and the final boss was not only a let-down, but AGAIN, it was a re-used character model.

But the most annoying thing about it is that it's completely and totally pointless. I LOVED 10's ambiguous, non-fairy tale ending. It let you fill in the blanks yourself. But this one just throws all that away, in favor of telling a crappy, disjointed story.

...damn, it felt good to get that rant out of my system.

Turn-Based combat=RAGE!!!!!

 

[RobCoxxy]

the RPG elements in the first game were annoying as hell
all the biotic and tech powers were completely useless compared to the pistol
even if you powered them all the way up
and all the weapons were useless compared to the sniper
and there were enough points available to get all but one tree leveled all the way up
so the RPG element in ME1 was "how fast can i dump all my points into the sniper tree"

they did take out half the content from the first to the second game with the illumination of the explorable planets
but they gave a good reason to play as the biotic tech or mixed classes
in ME 1 the only reason to not be a soldier was to say "Look at me, I don't need heavy armor"
when all you did was snipe enemies from the next town over or run them over in the Mako

Mass Effect 2 was one of the only sequels that ever improved a game to me

but you're welcome to your opinion
even though it's my opinion that you're a tosser

I was a biotic without access to sniper rifles.... I loved using the powers, pistol and shotgun.

You're only complaining about a cheap tactic you yourself used. So ha bloody ha. Who's the tosser? Not the guy you're whinging about.

Also, I hated ME2's ammo system. It gave me the sad.
After all, I'd added shotgun attachments on me1 that made it a one-shot-one-kill-instant-overload weapon of mass (effect) destruction.

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

I personally don't think Halo 2's campaign was as good as that of Halo: Combat Evolved. Story wasn't quite as good (but still quite good), and it got kind of repetitive near the end. But considering the overall gameplay improvements it made, as well as the vastly improved multiplayer, I don't think it counts as actually being overall worse.

I personally didn't like Halo 2's campaign as much either. I thought the graphics looked kind of ugly. Overall, I didn't hate it.

 

[Dr. Octogonopus]

I'm surprised Final Fantasy X-2 hasn't been mentioned more than once already. I hate that game with a burning, unrelenting passion.

It's like Nomura went into the game saying, "Hey, you know all that good stuff about 10? The interesting turn-based battles and the complex, thought-provoking story? Yeah, lets just piss on that, and put all the girls in skimpy outfits. Cause that sells, right?".

I mean, yeah, a good sequel SHOULD change a few things, but this game just feels completely at odds with the original. Plus, it just feels cheap. Almost all the areas from the first game are re-used shamelessly, a good chunk of the enemies are also re-used (including the unforgiveable sin of re-using bosses), and the final boss was not only a let-down, but AGAIN, it was a re-used character model.

But the most annoying thing about it is that it's completely and totally pointless. I LOVED 10's ambiguous, non-fairy tale ending. It let you fill in the blanks yourself. But this one just throws all that away, in favor of telling a crappy, disjointed story.

...damn, it felt good to get that rant out of my system.

Final Fantasy Barbie Dress up...I mean X-2 is hands down the worst sequel ever made when you compare it to the original but the problem with mentioning it in this forum means that we are acknowledging its existence.

Square-enix doesnt make FF sequels therefore by standard logic X-2 does not exist. Not the best logic in the world but it helps me sleep at night.

 

[Communist partisan]

Fable 2, MW2 Driv3r, HL2 (including the episodes) Well... I can say a lot more games but I won't have a good day now.

 

[Hiphophippo]

Dues Ex Invisible War was ok in my book. It certainly wasn't on the same level as part 1 but I enjoyed it or what it was.

Thank you!

Invisible War is a great game in it's own right. The problem is when people start comparing it to the first game, but that's not very fair. How many games can even stand toe to toe with Deus Ex?

 

[Dr. Octogonopus]

Infamous 2 would have been terrible if SuckerPunch had kept the Nathan Drake clone design

I might still be crap if they choose to go for a more cinematic experience. Meaning you might not receive the amount of freedom in handling missions the way you want as you did in the first game.

I might be jumping the gun, but I just don't want InFamous 2 to go all "Uncharted 2 blockbuster" on me. For a linear game it's fine, but for an open world game I'd rather it not be cinematic.

Uncharted 2 is another terrible sequel. The only redeeming quality is that it isnt as terrible as the first one (someone explain how the nazis found the lost page in Drakes journal before you find the journal...at the bottom of the sea...inside Drakes fake coffin. And why do you find a Nazi U-boat in a waterfall on an island that you only found thanks to the journal that YOU and ONLY YOU found..in fact why did thwey even add Nazis). What people have failed to see is that its basically tomb raider without the cleavage...and the puzzles (pushing switch A and then B because your magical diary tells you to is not a puzzle)...and anything enjoyable at all.

With the second game Naughty Dog tried the whole "cinematic experience thing" which basically meant running away from a helicopter...twice. Maybe they hired the same helicopter company form Yatzees Blood in the Sand review.

And now that im ranting about Naughty Dog (what happened to the good old days when they made Crash Bandicoot for the PS1?) why is SuckerPunch trying to be just like Naughty Dog? Lets change it so that Cole is now going to have a motion capture actor...just like Nathan Drake. To do that we need to replace the already brilliant Cole voice actor with that dude from Left4Dead. Now that he no longer sounds as gruff and bad-ass lets give him sound "witty" dialog...just like Nathan Drake. In fact while we are already halfway there lets redesign him to look like... Nathan Drake.

SuckerPunch logic was that people felt that Cole was generic. Firstly hes supposed to be generi..hes a bike messenger not an action movie star. So to make him less generic they copy another generic character? Events near the end of the first game made Cole such a grumpy bad-ass that he could pass off as Samuel L Jacksons illegitimate love child, not someone with a designer hair cut and designer clothes spouting one-liners every time something happens.

I already know that Cole has been re-redesigned but I still havent forgiven SuckerPunch just yet. Why do we need Motion Capture actors anyway? Was something wrong with the animation in the first that I didnt pick up when I played through the game..twice? All the important cut-scenes were in comic book style anyway which gave the game great style and character something which a thought that the under-rated Infamous's over-rated cousin, Prototype, lacked.

 

[Nvv]

Condemned 2...

And I actually like Kotor 2. I played that one first so that may have something to do with it.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Blood 2: The Chosen (Have not played this game so may have facts wrong)
Remember the first Blood? (Cookie if you do) Remember the strange and wonderous areas such as the Dark Carnival and the Dam and spouting as many one-liners as Duke Nukem?
Well, Blood 2 pretty much gets rid of all that and puts you into office buildings and glitchy level design.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

A bad sequel? Mass Effect 2 was CRAP. The plot was good, but they turned a perfectly good RPG into a pretty 3rd-person shooter.

This. Remember in the beginning where it says cooling rods are universal? Why couldn't I use the ones in my crappy pistol in my Sniper Rifle when that one runs out of ammo!? I didn't really like the surveying parts either. It seemed more Mordin than Shepard.

I can't really think of any though. I didn't like Modern Warfare 2 but I haven't played the first one so I can't really count it.

 

[quantum mechanic]

I'm the first to mention Deus Ex: Invisible War?

Do I win?

Damn, ninja'd

Devil May Cry 2. Makes anyone cry.

Ninja'd times two. Darn.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

I'm the first to mention Deus Ex: Invisible War?

Do I win?

You, you and your clan of ninjas!


If not Deus Ex: Invisible War then something like Fallout 2, so buggy and little bugs add up to a bigger problem.

 

[Chifishken]

Modern Warfare 2. Even people who weren't that interested in MW1 were disappointed by this.

totally agree. i loved the storyline in both. it just didn't have the same feel as MW1. multi player is full of campers and dicks who use marathon, lightweight and commando. soo irritating that game!

 

[Chifishken]

to be honest any final fantasy game... i'm not a fan lmao.
fable 2 was a bit shit to be honest. was fun and that. was just short and boring, especially the beginning when you're the kid.

 

[whycantibelinus]

A bad sequel? Mass Effect 2 was CRAP. The plot was good, but they turned a perfectly good RPG into a pretty 3rd-person shooter.

While I agree with you saying they turned a perfectly good RPG into a pretty 3rd-person shooter, I don't agree that it was crap. I think a better word for it is mediocre, crap would imply it's not worth even a single play through, whereas mediocre would warrant a single play through but not anymore since its just the same shit over and over.

This. I played ME 3 times through with different decisions and classes and I can't finish my 2nd playthrough for the life of me.

Yeah, I have like 4 half played games for ME 2, but have played the first one like 5 times and just started a 6th time through. the Mako is awesome, they should have never gotten rid of it.

They coulda made the driving mechanics a bit better... Like using the camera to controll where the vehicle goes: with the bobcat like steering from the mako, it was easy to overcompensate and fall off the map.

I agree with you on that. The controls also made it seem like the combat would be fast paced with it, but I found myself sniping people from far away more often than not. It's ability to go up an almost vertical slope was awesome though. :-D

 

[Durxom]

Another vote for Mass Effect 2.

I'm going to have add another point to the ME2 thing. I loved the first one, it was a wonderful space opera rpg, it felt pretty much like Star Wa....wait a sec,let's make a comparison if you will.

Mass Effect 1 is akin to Star Wars: A New Hope, its a launching off point, it familarizes the setting to you, you grow with the character and experience new and bizarre settings, and sure, some things arent perfect,but they are still well done, and it ends with a climactic space battle.

Now while, Mass Effect 2 should have been more about engaging the characters, and pushing the story along like The Empire Strikes Back...it more or less likens itself closer to Attack of the Clones. I mean sure, it's new and pretty, and people will like it more because "ohh look, they have Yoda(Shepard) fighting with a lightsaber(big gun thing)!!!" but the story is not nearly as well done, it just feels like a middlepoint for the sake of having a middlepoint instead of expanding.

I just hope Mass Effect 3 ends up being more like Return of the Jedi..but I doubt that will happen with the hype/love around ME2.