Bad personal experiences with women = justification for sexism and misogyny?

[Zemalac]

So, is there something I'm missing, or am I trying to rationalize the irrational?

Welcome to the wonderful world of fallacious arguments. Don't step in the hypocrisy.

Seriously though, it's probably just a knee-jerk reaction that they've never thought about before. If you make someone think about what they're saying they generally turn out to be a better person then they were at first glance. It's making them think that's the hard part.

 

[sheic99]

Nobody is individual or unique, we all share that trait.

There is also a load of irony in your last statement.

I don't mind you saying that there was irony in my post, but come on, of course we're all individuals, what do you think personality is?

But if we are all different, then we all share that trait making us the same.

So we're all the same because we're different? Well I'm not one for arguing, so I'm not going to, your entitled to your opinion.

I was just messing around actually, seeing how far I could get saying the same thing.

 

[Fightgarr]

Generalization happens. It isn't rational, but it happens. I steer clear of the religion, race and gender issue threads for that reason. I feel like they would simply make me angry.

EDIT: Yes I realize the irony of me generalizing those threads.

 

[Drake the Dragonheart]

I have had a bad experience with a woman, but I also know many others that are really nice people and stalwart friends.
It is rather irrational to hate an entire group of people from a bad experience, but I can't help but sympathize with said person's bad experience, but the sympathy turns off whenever they start up with the irrational and bigoted remarks

What about women that have had a bad experience with men, and become sexist over that? Same thing

My mom was like that, she thought I would be a bad person because I was a man, and was always ranting about the evils of men. It was like hell growing up with her

I feel you pain man, well to an extent at least. she has a tendancy to go on "men are destroying this world" rants.
My motto: prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and expect something in the middle.
to get a bit more on topic, no a bad experience is not justification for mistreating any group. But sadly as long as humans exist and can feel emotion, it will happen.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Misogyny is far more prevalent, but misandry is often seen as "only a joke."

Take a listen to the drunken conversations between a group of the same gender.

Men will tend towards "She's whining at me all the bloody time" or "Why can't they like me for myself", before belching or simply "Phwoooooar!"

Women will tend towards "Bloody useless men" or "He's really nice but..." or "Why can't I find the perfect man?"

Which do you think is more offensive? And as a quick check, misogyny and misanthropy is known by the spell-checker, misandry isn't.

 

[Midnghtjade83]

There is one thing I know for sure: I'll never ever trust a woman.
Open yourself up and they'll rip you to pieces once they see your weakness.
The only woman I'll ever talk about my feelings with will be a mother of my childern (which I hope will never happen. I don't want to have kids becuase life is misery and I wouldn't want anyone who is some part me go trough it)

Seriously if you think your girl is an innocent angel you're just about to get screwed when you least expect it, unless you leave her first.
I'm not saying men are any better (hell, I wouldn't love a man for sure) but at least their definition of friendship has more room for such things as honor and loyalty.

That must have sound bitter.
I just want to fall in love like they do in the movies and not face the same fucking reality every time

I feel the need to point out that no love is like the movies. Even couples that are happily married until they're ninety go through bad spots and giant blow ups and dry spells and all that crap. It's just a matter of finding someone that is worth the effort of continuing to try and is willing to try with you. Movies actually do young people and love in general a great disservice by glossing it over as "Real, true, truly true love is easy and you'll never, ever have to work at it."

As to the point of myandry...ya'll got over a thousand years of belittling us. Give us a few decades to readjust to the equilibrium that we finally CAN bash you. (P.S. That was called satire or irony or sarcasm or A JOKE right there.)

 

[TheSKSpecial]

Uh... Because women are evil, and their only joy comes from destroying a man completely. I thought that was obvious...? Oh, and they like shopping for shoes. Who the hell wants to spend anymore more than 20 minutes buying shoes? I just barely want to wear shoes, and then when I do, I require the most comfortable kind possible. Then I see a woman who's been shoe shopping for two hours, and just bought a pair of shoes that look so excruciatingly painful that I nearly pass a kidney stone just looking at them. I couldn't even come close to comprehending this. So I fell over, hit my head, and at that moment I understood that a woman's only joy comes from destroying a man completely. Case closed.

This explains the prevalence of media where the man is always the wrongdoer, and the woman is always the victim, vindicated by the act of destroying the man (see: a majority of R&B and country music today, Thelma & Louise, any "black" movie with a female lead made in the last 15 years...)

Sexism and misogyny aren't justified by bad experience per se, but there is at least rationale behind it.

"It's like slapping a woman who just slapped you and insulted your mother. I'm not saying it's ok to hit her, but I understand." - Chris Rock

 

[000Ronald]

I've had a lifetime's worth of bad expirience with women; my entire family is pretty much women, and they're most of the reason I'm as screwed up as I am, and a big part of the rest of it has to do with one woman in particular.

I'm not mysoginistic. If I can keep myself from hating women, if I can keep myself from hating people in general after the sheer level of bullshit I've been through, then no one else has any excuse.

Then again, it may be because I'm so fucked up. A lot of people who really know me have noted that there's something very wrong with me that they can't quite put their finger on (I think it's that I eminate the attitudes of the people around me in order to better fit in most of the time; is there a name for that?). I also supress a lot of things when I'm around people; it makes it easer for me to be around them.

But I rant. Again. While I'm sure you don't mind, I apologize anyway.

 

[Helnurath]

So, I've seen a lot of threads lately that bring up gender-related issues, and many people have made sexist (particularly towards misogyny) comments, then rationalize them with their own, personal experience.
The world population is about equally divided between men and women. So why is it that someone could define half of all people in the world as being the same as one person they've met?
I know there are plenty of both decent and unpleasant men, with a whole range inbetween dispite my many bad experiences with the male sex, through my own personal experience. So, is there something I'm missing, or am I trying to rationalize the irrational?

(Sure, there is misandry in the world, too, but I've never seen any serious accounts of that here.)

While I have had many bad experiences with women, it actually has helped me refine what I consider to be the perfect women (conservative and intellectual). That being said, nobody is prefect and everyone has their faults. If you judge a book by its cover, you could be missing out on a great storyline and ending.

 

[TerraMGP]

Sexism is just like any other form of prejudice. Its simply a way of people with poor coping skills of dealing with problems without having to face any actual conflict in themselves. Case in point lets say a guy has poor hygiene and is very selfish. Then lets assume that same guy is logically rejected by women because he has a beard with food in it and smells like five week old yogurt and feet. Now to those of us who bathe on a regular basis and take care of ourselves and think of others from time to time might easily see why our Joe Shmoe example gets rejected by every woman he hits on but this guy may instead be looking for outward sources of the problem because he either does not realize or cannot accept that the problem is his own.

Now then this can also be a matter of inherited coping mechanisms from parents, relatives or friends who held this mentality or from even further back. A child may find it easier to blame women for example for problems that they have or to generalize them rather than seeing them as people because it makes it easier to continue coping with realty as opposed to making changes in their mentality. Truth be told the same can be said of Racism, prejudice against a specific nationality or most any other form of prejudice that one may use as a crutch. Hard truth is that Sexism and misogyny are simply coping mechanisms for people who can't deal with reality otherwise. The best you can do with such people is try to help them understand their flawed assumptions.