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Bob_McMillan said:
Anyway, after seeing her picture, it reminded me of a question that's been on my mind since GG and Anita Sarkeesian happened: What is with radical feminists and piercings/dyed hair?
L. Declis said:
On a more reasonable explanation, these people are so desperate for attention and to be different and "cooky hippy pixie girl" that they watch Scott Pilgrim once, think she is a cool girl and dye their hair and shove themselves full of metal. Frankly, I'm thankful, it provides a "Do not touch, probably crazy" sign for me to see.
MonsterCrit said:
As for the piercings and died hair.. it sort of makes sense. These are things people do because they want to draw attention to themselves. Look an Ms. A and this lady, look at their actions, all specifically designed to make themselves the focus of attention. I.e They're 'attention whores' You know like that ripped douche at the gym that keeps asking someone to check his form will he pops a squat.
Okay, this is somewhat off-topic, but those remarks... trouble me.

I personally can't claim to fully understand why people choose to have tattoos, piercings or dye their hair. It is not something that I have ever felt a desire to do.

That said, MonsterCrit and L. Declis, you are both assuming that these things are done for the sake of attention - 'attention whores' - as opposed to simply being done because the individual wants it for themself. This feels like a fairly toxic assumption to me. Don't assume that everything that a person does is done for other people.

The explanation that I have been offered from people who have had body piercings, etc, is that it's actually nothing to do with other people. It's about what makes them feel comfortable in their own body. Sometimes it's about laying a claim to their own body. And since it is their own body, I see no problem with them doing it. They have every right to do so.

This is a guess, but I'd say that it overlaps with feminism because feminists feel that society places a lot of judgement on the female form - or indeed, on the human appearance in general, regardless of gender - when judging a person by who they are is far more valuable.
 

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Maybe this will teach her and others that "joking"/joking about murder in public is the same as joking about bombs in planes/airports.
 

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The_Darkness said:
I personally can't claim to fully understand why people choose to have tattoos, piercings or dye their hair. It is not something that I have ever felt a desire to do.

That said, MonsterCrit and L. Declis, you are both assuming that these things are done for the sake of attention - 'attention whores' - as opposed to simply being done because the individual wants it for themself. This feels like a fairly toxic assumption to me. Don't assume that everything that a person does is done for other people.
Why dopes that seem so shocking. Look, There are private marks and public marks. When you tattoo your wrist, you want people to see it. Tattoo or pierce your face.. you want people to see it.

The explanation that I have been offered from people who have had body piercings, etc, is that it's actually nothing to do with other people. It's about what makes them feel comfortable in their own body. Sometimes it's about laying a claim to their own body. And since it is their own body, I see no problem with them doing it. They have every right to do so.
This can be true but you have to realize, people who are self-conscious types that would do something like a piercing or tattoo to draw attention are rarely the kind that would actually admit to themselves, let alone others, that they're doing it for public attention. They will of course give the answer that makes themselves look and sound 'cooler', 'stronger' independent.

People with piercings typically wind up hanging around other people with piercings so it begs the 'chicken and egg' question. DId they get the piercings because they share an affinity with the rest of the group or did they get the piercing because they wanted to share something with the group they have an affinity for? SInce this is human psychology you can only assume because the human psyche is a gordian knot. We are easily as capable of lying and deceiving ourselves as much as we are of lying to others.

This is a guess, but I'd say that it overlaps with feminism because feminists feel that society places a lot of judgement on the female form - or indeed, on the human appearance in general, regardless of gender - when judging a person by who they are is far more valuable.
Unfortunately, you never ever know 'who' someone is, so you might as well make judgements based on appearance. Even sibligs wind up learning new things about each other. Generally speaking, people who put dyes and marks on their faces are generally people seeking attention, at least within the context of western-euro context.

I think there's as much to be said for the theory that they all have these similarities because they're trying to look like the other feminists they know, to make themselves more a part of the group, which is of course a daisy chain, they're imitating, someone, who themselves was imitating someone who ...well you get the picture.

Also honestly. In the case of Ms. A. She is doing it for attention. Sorry but everything about her, not just her appearance but her mannerisms, her woird choices, etc are all geared towards ruffling and riling someone up.. This is not a bad thing in of itself. I mean that's what a shock jock is supposed to do, and that's all she and manyothers really are, shock jocks that hav found a very easy audience to pander to. But in the end they have very little to actually say and once the shock value is gone you're just left with hot air.

She, Ms,, A and others are to feminism and Journalism what Andrew Dice Clay was to stand-up comedy.
 

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Pluvia said:
Word of advice, it's incredibly hyperbolic to say Sarkeesian is a shock jock. She made tame videos criticising common tropes in video games. The only people that were shocked were, well, the people that compare that to being a shock jock.
ANyone who works in the field of media and communication , knows what a shock jock is, Thing is much like people like rush limbaugh; to anyone within their target audience they don't appear to be shock jocks.

In short if they're shouting stuff you agree with and identify with... then they don't look like shock jocks. If you have a different or more moderate view point however yeah.. it's pretty clear.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
I swear this is true.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/bahar-mustafa-police-called-in-over-goldsmiths-union-diversity-officers-race-hate-tweet-10268964.html
By my freshly laundered underwear that woman looks frightening. If there was ever a face that I would consider a prototypical serial killer that would be it.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
Anyway, after seeing her picture, it reminded me of a question that's been on my mind since GG and Anita Sarkeesian happened: What is with radical feminists and piercings/dyed hair?
The first time somebody made the comparison (There's an image floating around somewhere) it just clicked for me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aposematism

So yeah, like others have mentioned. Warning colouration. Of course it also clicked in regards to past events but y'know.

OT: Well, the police/Scotland Yard is a bit much honestly. All I'd want if for her to step down as the Welfare/Diversity Officer really. You shouldn't be able to hold that position and still discriminate like that.
 

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Pluvia said:
MonsterCrit said:
Pluvia said:
Word of advice, it's incredibly hyperbolic to say Sarkeesian is a shock jock. She made tame videos criticising common tropes in video games. The only people that were shocked were, well, the people that compare that to being a shock jock.
ANyone who works in the field of media and communication , knows what a shock jock is, Thing is much like people like rush limbaugh; to anyone within their target audience they don't appear to be shock jocks.

In short if they're shouting stuff you agree with and identify with... then they don't look like shock jocks. If you have a different or more moderate view point however yeah.. it's pretty clear.
I have no idea who Rush Limbaugh is, which is just showing that shock jocks are quite American centric.

Anyway you're going to need actual examples. By the looks of it you just described every person on earth as a shock jock. Like, which part of her series is the best example of her being a shock jock?
Well just means you're probably not big into politics. At this point .. if you don't see it it's because you can't or don't want to. ENough to be said there. Just go watch any of her videos and see how she structures her arguments. If you realy can't see it, then we've hit a forest for the trees scenario and nothing I or anyone else say will illustrate the point to you.

Suffice it to say Ms. A has a wonderful talent for halting all reasonavble discourse on the very topics she tries to raise awareness of.
 

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FalloutJack said:
Bob_McMillan said:
FalloutJack said:
Mustafa? Isn't he one of Dr. Evil's henchmen? The guy with the fez?
Pretty sure he's Darth Vader.
NOT MUFASA!! Mustafa! Aaaaaaaarrrghle!!

*Flails around and falls over due to punnery*

Bat Vader said:
Bob_McMillan said:
FalloutJack said:
Mustafa? Isn't he one of Dr. Evil's henchmen? The guy with the fez?
Pretty sure he's Darth Vader.
David Prowse played Darth in the suit and James Earl Jones did the voice for Vader. If you're making some type of reference here I'm not seeing it.


Please see above for answer.
OK. That was painful. Here is what Fallout Jack was referring to:


On topic: I try to not to take what she did personally. It's hard. Since, I am a white man. Also, due to the fact, that if I start a hashtag like #KillAllBlackWomen. When the shit hits the fan, and I claim it's a joke. Nobody will say, "OK, if that's the case, then it's all good."

So, if starting that hashtag is against the law in the UK, I hope they will throw the book at her. At least, give her the same amount of justice they would give to white men committing hate crimes.
 

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Fox12 said:
Wow, she sounds awful. Good on Scotland Yard.

Out of curiosity, can someone explain why Anita Sarkeesian is a radical feminist? I'm not a member of her fan club, but I don't think I've heard her say anything particularly extreme.
She is a "mild" radical feminist?

While she doesnt call for the balls of all men be hung up on the street lamps she:

- Advocates for "listen and believe" without due process aslong as its a woman making the claim

- attributes school shootings to "toxic masculinity" without rhyme or reason

- firmly believes that sexism against males does not exist for the same reason minorities cant be racist...

- is actually incredibly well off for such an "underpriviliged" and "opressed" gender

- believes in patriarchy... even thought her idea what patriarchy is has nothing to do with actuall real live patriarchy

- does not want to discuss her opinions or wants them challanged in any way or form, cause that would be harassment

So while in the grand scheme of radical feminism bingo she manages to avoid the batshit crazy fields she still gets one or two rows complete and so gets a honorary mention.
 

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Fox12 said:
Wow, she sounds awful. Good on Scotland Yard.

Out of curiosity, can someone explain why Anita Sarkeesian is a radical feminist? I'm not a member of her fan club, but I don't think I've heard her say anything particularly extreme.
She is a "mild" radical feminist?

While she doesnt call for the balls of all men be hung up on the street lamps she:

- Advocates for "listen and believe" without due process aslong as its a woman making the claim

- attributes school shootings to "toxic masculinity" without rhyme or reason

- firmly believes that sexism against males does not exist for the same reason minorities cant be racist...

- is actually incredibly well off for such an "underpriviliged" and "opressed" gender

- believes in patriarchy... even thought her idea what patriarchy is has nothing to do with actuall real live patriarchy

- does not want to discuss her opinions or wants them challanged in any way or form, cause that would be harassment

So while in the grand scheme of radical feminism bingo she manages to avoid the batshit crazy fields she still gets one or two rows complete and so gets a honorary mention.
Fair enough, didn't know most of that. I've just seen her videos, which were bad but tasteful.
 

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Fox12 said:
Karadalis said:
Fox12 said:
Wow, she sounds awful. Good on Scotland Yard.

Out of curiosity, can someone explain why Anita Sarkeesian is a radical feminist? I'm not a member of her fan club, but I don't think I've heard her say anything particularly extreme.
She is a "mild" radical feminist?

While she doesnt call for the balls of all men be hung up on the street lamps she:

- Advocates for "listen and believe" without due process aslong as its a woman making the claim

- attributes school shootings to "toxic masculinity" without rhyme or reason

- firmly believes that sexism against males does not exist for the same reason minorities cant be racist...

- is actually incredibly well off for such an "underpriviliged" and "opressed" gender

- believes in patriarchy... even thought her idea what patriarchy is has nothing to do with actuall real live patriarchy

- does not want to discuss her opinions or wants them challanged in any way or form, cause that would be harassment

So while in the grand scheme of radical feminism bingo she manages to avoid the batshit crazy fields she still gets one or two rows complete and so gets a honorary mention.
Fair enough, didn't know most of that. I've just seen her videos, which were bad but tasteful.
Thats cause most of her videos are allmost straight quotes from urban dictionary and the more crazy accusations and unbased/unresearched stuff she claims on her videos where written by Fullmcintosh.

Her twitter is a wealth of facepalm worthy quotes and her earlier works before she focused on videogames gives a better picture of just who Ms. Sarkesian really is and that she usually has absolutely no clue about topics she talks about and takes things like song lyrics at face value.

Also before becomming a professional vic... err feminist she was "aparantly" involved with some shady business, working for fraudulent companies... but those are just allegations and it has to be seen if theres any merit to them.
 

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Pluvia said:
Or I'm not American.

But anyway it's good to see you couldn't come up with a single example.
I'm not American either and let us be honest, you wouldn't have acknowledged any example I or anyone else would give. If you can't already see it, you either don't want to, or are incapable of seeing it.

You know it's kind of like there are certain people who see nothing wrong with using dcertain racial slurs. They are not capable of seeing the flaws and problems because they inherently agree with it.. If you really are looking for examples.. do as I said.. go re-watch her videos and listen and study not just what she says but how she says it, take note of the tone, the words chose, the imagery. If you still can't see it, well that's more a commentaryon your own standpoint.
 

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Pluvia said:
MonsterCrit said:
I'm not American either and let us be honest, you wouldn't have acknowledged any example I or anyone else would give.
Oh no, no, I would've.

If we're being honest then you would admit you're being hyperbolic and her videos about common tropes in games aren't anywhere near the levels of being a shock jock. But instead you defaulted to the equivalent of "No Google it yourself" and "I'm not going to bother telling you because you wont listen".

Honesty would be saying you couldn't come up with a single example, not the above pretence that you went for.
Whatever answer allows you to sleep at night and wake up in the morning. As said... you've illustrated my point. YOu don't want to go back and look at her videos because I won't tell you what to look fo. Again, sort of like how racists don't find racist jokes racist. BEcause they can't really think outside their own viewpoint. If you can't watch her videos and pick out her hyperbole or the various things that might and honestly has enraged and offended many people...then you are simply incapable of seeing outside your own viewpoint.

This issue was never about whether or not I or anyone can prove something, it's about whether you and others are capable of seeing things from the counterpoint. You can't which is why when ever she or her followers get involved in any debate the debate more or less ends.
 

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An update; the 'vote of no confidence' petition failed to gather the required number of signatures.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bahar-mustafa-goldsmiths-university-diversity-officer-keeps-her-job-after-vote-of-no-confidence-petition-fails-10277562.html
 

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I just want to note the article, when quoting the university, make reference to the fact they take a stand against "all bigotry".
They're not using the term racism.
This could bode poorly for her, given that her statements, even under the questionable aegis of irony, are still quite bigoted.


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Just quoting this because, 3,625?
I know they can be small, but that's ridiculous.
I applaud your love of the medium, even if it is a little bit scary.
 

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Silvanus said:
An update; the 'vote of no confidence' petition failed to gather the required number of signatures.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bahar-mustafa-goldsmiths-university-diversity-officer-keeps-her-job-after-vote-of-no-confidence-petition-fails-10277562.html
I'm disinclined to hitting people that don't attack me first, but as someone else had said in the other thread, she has an astoundingly punchable looking face. It's almost amazing, really.

More seriously, as for the news: honestly, I'm hoping that the amount of noise it's created still gets her employers to sit her down and go "Look, you are doing this job entirely incorrectly and need to fix that, or we'll remove you anyways". Because really, her behavior is pretty unacceptable.