Banned from Eve Online or ''Why I'm considering to sue CCP''.

[Fenring]

Suing people= wrong.
Suing people over a video game = hilariously wrong.

So true. It's their game, they can do what they want with it. Just because you were banned doesn't mean you can sue them, look at that one guy who tried to sue Sony about getting banned from PSN for an example of trying to sue a company because they were banned from their online.

The difference being that we've yet had someone try to sue an MMO company that's been wrongfully banned. Both the 360 guy and the PSN guy were banned for inappropriate behavior. If the OP's story is true, it'll be a first.

Of course, I believe him to be a glorious troll.

Look on the bright side. We'll have an Escapist story started right here on these forums!

True, but I think the same holds, it's their stuff, they can do what they want with it.

 

[James Cassidy]

One thing: It's just a game.

I am sorry, but if this is the worst thing in your life then you are the luckiest person alive. I have had things ten times worst such as...oh I don;t know getting permabanned from the game of "Life". Yes several times I was almost killed.

I would take this as a sign that maybe you need to get out more and stop playing these MMO like they are your second life. This is why I never get into them because they are just a waste of time. I have better things to do like going out with my girlfriend, hanging out with my friends, and even working on my project for world domination.

I know it sucks that you got banned, but getting this worked up over nothing is....ludicrous.

I think you need to take a time out and try to find what life is truly about.

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

Dude? Seriously? You got physically sick FROM A FUCKING VIDEO GAME? Get a grip. Also, you have no legitimate claim to sue CCP over.

I should clarify.

I have a tendency to get headaches and to have nausea when I am tired, thirsty and stressed.
The first two conditions where already fulfilled, but learning of the permaban filled the last condition.

 

[MoNkEyMaFiA]

Dude..I play EVE alot of the time....but you show a commitment to this game I can't quite relate too,and i'm Pretty HARD CORE(charcters from the Five years ago ).
Just log your complaint and wait.If you done nothing they will sort it out.

 

[hobo_welf]

Dude I can totally relate. I just finished cutting my wrists because my Runescape acct got hacked and the hacker stole all my shit.

Really though... Sue them for all they're worth! Spend all your savings on a big fancy lawyer and then refuse his advice when he tells you that your case doesn't have a chance in hell. Not just that, attempt to take it to the supreme court. Then, when you're vomiting daily from withdrawl from EVE and your savings are gone and your wife divorces you for what she claims is an "obession", just shut everyone else out because they can't possibly understand what it's like to get the banhammer like you did. Then, pick up alcoholism, Kentucky Gentleman is cheap and effective. I don't know where you live but I'm sure you can find some places to hang out and harass people. Finally, when they move you to your new home in the nice padded house and set you up with your nice jacket, you can mentally project your character in EVE blowing up starships and taking over corporations.

 

[Slayer_2]

Wow... you sound very... into this game. personally, even if I couldn't play my favorite game which I've spent hundreds of hours playing and modding (Fallout 3), I would be pissed, but you might be taking it a bit far. If whoever made EVE is anything close to as rich as Blizzard, then a legal battle would be like a mouse fighting an aircraft carrier. I think you can guess who's who.

 

[Skizle]

You could always just get another copy of the game and start over. I'm sure your friends / corp members will help you get back on your feet.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ok I can understand that you'd be upset by this (not to the point of being physically sick though), and I can understand your desire to get your account back. However I doubt sueing them is going to accomplish anything, esp. since CCP probably has a whole baseball team of lawyers to deal with their legal issues, it's unlikely you'll win.

 

[Rednog]

I seriously doubt you can sue them over this. Most if not all MMO companies have a clause in their ToS that states that the game is their property and they have the rights to deny you access to it for whatever reason they see fit. They could ban you if they just fell like it or they could throw darts at a board with people's account names and ban whatever names they hit if they really wanted too.

 

[SultanP]

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

Saying it's just a game is ridiculous. What if someone had spent 3 years building model ships, and was in a club for people who do that, and he was really good friends with the people in the club. This is like someone smashing all of his model ships and burning them. It is many hours of work lost, a lot of money lost. Also all he had to show of it he either has to abandon or rebuild, and that'll take three years.

 

[The Madman]

The EULA on any MMO is pretty much rock solid in order to prevent exactly this sort of situation. Basically, if you've ever read one, it states that you are merely paying the developers for the right to play their game at their whim, and at any point should you violate any of the literally hundreds of rules set down for the game, they have every legal right to cut you off from said service. That's right, MMO's are a 'service' rather than a genuine product. Go ahead and read it, it's true. Why?

Because you are not the first to think of suing a company over an MMO. These sorts of things go allll the way back to before Everquest; people get ridiculously attached to their avatars and when they're taken away, even if done for legitimate reasons, more than a few players have tried to sue the developers or publishers. And as a result over the years those EULA have gotten tighter and tighter to such a point where honestly it would be cheaper and easier to just re-buy the game and work your way back to the point you'd been at before than to try and squeeze a penny from the company itself. Something which is so unlikely that chances are you'd just be wasting money on court.

Bluntly put: It's hopeless. Sue to your hearts content, but it wont go anywhere and will likely be held up in legal courts for months if not longer. Time which, if you're really so addicted to the game that you can't take the universes attempt at a hint it seems, you could easily just start over. Not like they can take away the people you play with and the friends you've made... well they can, but they wont have. But you get the point!

And all that aside isn't this a bit premature, you haven't even heard back from em yet. For all you know come monday it'll be all rainbow lollipop's and rainbows!

 

[sms_117b]

I feel your pain (in a way) OP, I hope it all gets straightened out before it comes to a law suit, because I am one of those people that thinks law suits are silly.

3 years of gaming is a lot to lose, heartbreaking even (I am being serious here). So I relly do hope you get you account back up and running.

 

[Master_Corruptor]

Wouldn't anyone who got permabanned scream out '' but I didn't do anything !!!''

CCP never ban people for just subscribing. They ban people for buying isk, spamming channels with links leading to isk trading or exploiting the game. Those are the three main reasons people get banned and you clearly did one of the three.

Going to a lawsuit for beeing banned ?
Get a grip... move on and stop hugging mommys leg. It's the stupidest reason i've ever come across...

 

[DrunkWithPower]

I don't think suing them will work... you can try if you have the money, but prepare to fail. "It's obvious that you (or alleged hacker) did something wrong." That's the sound I hear coming out of the courtroom. Remember the kid that sued Sony and lost over something similiar? My opinion is get your answers, try to convince them otherwise, cut your losses.

 

[Logic Ninja]

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

Saying it's just a game is ridiculous. What if someone had spent 3 years building model ships, and was in a club for people who do that, and he was really good friends with the people in the club. This is like someone smashing all of his model ships and burning them. It is many hours of work lost, a lot of money lost. Also all he had to show of it he either has to abandon or rebuild, and that'll take three years.

I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I had to set this straight. This would be like if somebody had spent 3 years building model ships in a model ship club where they provided all the materials, location and tools. After the ships were built, they retained ownership of them, even though you had built them. Then, they decide you aren't allowed in the model ship club anymore, and suddenly you don't have access to their model ships that you provided the labor for. Granted, maybe you love building model ships, but they're still somebody else's model ships.

Other than that, good luck OP.

-Logic

 

[NewClassic_v1legacy]

[sup]External Link [http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp][/sup]

25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user's account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.

26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.

Further to the point, regardless of how others have treated you on this thread, they have merit. What you're suggesting is a lawsuit against the CCP Company, over the terms of a service which you are currently no longer enabled access to. This means that the suit is going to be contractually-based. Due to the natural of the Terms of Service, and your agreement to them prior to creating an account, the suit will be thrown out before it even reaches litigation. That means no jury, no arbitration, no settlements. Nothing.

Discounting the logical facts of the case, any juror can conclude with very reasonable doubt that the company was both within its legal and written bounds. Your case, regardless of how personal it may or may not be, is a particular no-win case. Due to the nature of the case as a whole, it will likely have no precedents to which you can refer.

As harsh as the reality is, your best option is to drop the idea of a suit completely. For starters, if you start off aggressive with the company, they will likely respond aggressively in reply. Business negotiations are better done with civility and kindness, rather than court summons and lawyers. It's that sort of lack of implied respect that will cause your suit to be handled mercilessly more likely than it would accomplish anything productive.

Beyond that, it is a grievous waste of time and energy. The time constraints that go along with any form of legalese is incredibly irritating and time taking. The case has to land on a judge's docket, an agreed time must be arranged, a jury must be selected, summoned, and present. Trials will also last several days, and involve fees with the courts, the lawyers, and any miscellaneous costs that may come from travel, lodging, and so on.

Simply put, your best option is to contact the company, and wait. If you don't hear back in the maximum time listed - or two business weeks - then contact them again. Make sure to keep your tone civil, and respectful. Any anger will be met with professional distance in the best case, and outright rejection in the worst.

Hopefully this has helped, and consider that CCP is also a company whose operated this service for the customers. They're doing this for you, even if it doesn't seem like it right now. They're most likely trying to help, and just fielding calls and complaints from other customers. Have some patience, try to relax, and remember that if it all goes horribly south, it means the lawsuit option is still open. Illogical as it is, it's still available. But if you go in guns blazing, you've lost the option of civility.

 

[Tibike77]

You probably got your login info stolen by a drive-by keylogger or something like that, and whoever stole your username/password went ahead and sold all your stuff for real-world money - now, permabanning IS very likely for such a thing, and they probably routinely permabanned you without checking anything else.
You should simply wait for the petition to resolve (it could take a few days, even weeks, and several other back-and-forth conversations with the GMs) before you even consider taking any harsher actions.
As for the lawsuit - yeah... not going to happen. One of the first few things you'd have to do is manage to invalidate their EULA (which won't be a small feat) and/or manage to move the trial from Iceland to wherever you live. Prognosis : extremely unlikely.
So just chill and wait, present your case to the GMs to the best of your abilities, don't start cursing or anything, and you'll probably get almost everything back.

 

[SultanP]

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

Saying it's just a game is ridiculous. What if someone had spent 3 years building model ships, and was in a club for people who do that, and he was really good friends with the people in the club. This is like someone smashing all of his model ships and burning them. It is many hours of work lost, a lot of money lost. Also all he had to show of it he either has to abandon or rebuild, and that'll take three years.

I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I had to set this straight. This would be like if somebody had spent 3 years building model ships in a model ship club where they provided all the materials, location and tools. After the ships were built, they retained ownership of them, even though you had built them. Then, they decide you aren't allowed in the model ship club anymore, and suddenly you don't have access to their model ships that you provided the labor for. Granted, maybe you love building model ships, but they're still somebody else's model ships.

Other than that, good luck OP.

-Logic

No, see, in EVE, you have to put the pieces together, and you pay to play, and then spend time gathering the pieces you put together. This could be likened to buying the pieces and then spending time putting them together. I'm talking packets that contain the pieces you need here. And really, what you have in an mmo is yours until the people running it take it away from you.

I just took anything physical really, because APPCRASH seemed to have a hard time grasping that just because you can't pick something up and show it around, it still matters.