Barack Obama and Socialism

[Chiasm]

Abit,But really there is far more things wrong at the moment for low class families then health care.I just always found when your a pawn or working class every time you make the rich less rich they just seem to raise the cost of everything. Why it seems as wages go up price of living goes up as well its like a hamster wheel.

Thing is, if you don't make the rich less rich, you're forced to make the poor less rich. That's a bad concept there.

Honestly not sure which way to go with overall,As the rich getting less rich will just raise the bread for the poor it seems. I mean think about it everytime minium wage goes up in a few years little by little a bread loaf goes from $1.50 to $2.00, Also the people most effected by wage changes are the middle class business owners who have a hard time paying a extra $200 a week to workers.

But really you can't touch the rich it seems as they'll just slowly become more greedy or cut jobs to up there budget where it used to be,Big reason also why outsourcing is becoming popular is forgien countries dont tax big busines nearly as much as well.

But overall I still think that the working class has and always will be the pawn for a reason,Not much it seems we can do. Also overall if you just compare yourself to others you'll see that $300 a week is alot of money to someone who only makes $400 monthly and so on and so on.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

And stop lying, Obama absolutely DID do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU
Why do Obama supporters just deny every shitty thing he's ever done? Why not explain it instead - all it does is make you look like liars and idiots.

You don't actually have to hold your hand over your heart for the national anthem. Again, you're thinking of the Pledge of Allegiance.

You must be Australian so I'll cut you some slack - Yes, you do put your hand over your heart while the anthem is sung, and to not do so is considered highly disrespectful and terribly unbecoming of a fucking presidential candidate.

Edit: And I'm done with the Christmas discussion. You obviously aren't trying to use logic, you're trying to be right, so you're twisting your words over and over again. It's impossible to argue with someone who lacks common sense.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

You know what's funny? The left wingers bleat endlessly about the GOP being the party of the rich, but Obama has spent more money on a presidential election in history - he's raised far more money from his corporate fat cat democrat cronies than Mccain has, and has spent more than 3 times the amount McCain has on TV commercials. So much for the party of the rich...

Actually most of that money came from grass roots organizers and people who donated $20 here and $20 there. So what were you yammering about again?

I'm yammering about retarded democrats bitching about republicans buying the election when Obama just did the exact same thing. You aren't bitching about that now, are you?

No. He's not. Instead of bitching about that, he went ahead and directly proved you wrong. As opposed to being a man and owning up to a mistake, learning from it, you're whining like a baby girl and repeating it over and over like no one knows you've been proven wrong.

I don't know. Do what ever you want man, you are highly entertaining.

What mistake? You aren't making any sense. That shit might work in high school, but it won't work with me

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

You must be Australian so I'll cut you some slack - Yes, you do put your hand over your heart while the anthem is sung, and to not do so is considered highly disrespectful and terribly unbecoming of a fucking presidential candidate.

Well to you.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

You know what's funny? The left wingers bleat endlessly about the GOP being the party of the rich, but Obama has spent more money on a presidential election in history - he's raised far more money from his corporate fat cat democrat cronies than Mccain has, and has spent more than 3 times the amount McCain has on TV commercials. So much for the party of the rich...

Actually most of that money came from grass roots organizers and people who donated $20 here and $20 there. So what were you yammering about again?

I'm yammering about retarded democrats bitching about republicans buying the election when Obama just did the exact same thing. You aren't bitching about that now, are you?

No. He's not. Instead of bitching about that, he went ahead and directly proved you wrong. As opposed to being a man and owning up to a mistake, learning from it, you're whining like a baby girl and repeating it over and over like no one knows you've been proven wrong.

I don't know. Do what ever you want man, you are highly entertaining.

What mistake? You aren't making any sense. That shit might work in high school, but it won't work with me

Wow. I don't have the words. He proved you wrong. Obama's support came mostly from small donors. You were wrong in saying they came from the rich. The text quoted above shows that. I don't know why it gets all faded looking, but it's all there.

He proved you wrong, you made a mistake in what you said, and man would accept that and move on.

It's irrelevant where the money came from. I've yet to see any proof that most of his money came from small donations.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

You must be Australian so I'll cut you some slack - Yes, you do put your hand over your heart while the anthem is sung, and to not do so is considered highly disrespectful and terribly unbecoming of a fucking presidential candidate.

No its not. You stand. You sing. You're belaboring a stupid point. You should let it go. Maybe, if you feel like it.

Edit: And I'm done with the Christmas discussion. You obviously aren't trying to use logic, you're trying to be right, so you're twisting your words over and over again. It's impossible to argue with someone who lacks common sense.

No. You get it. You're just not accepting it. If a celebration honors a pagan god, you can't change that fact by just changing the name of the celebration. That's clear. That's common sense. But if you want to walk away from that part of the conversation, feel free.

For the final time - THE CELEBRATION DOES NOT HONOR A PAGAN GOD. It honors the CHRISTIAN GOD! If it honored a pagan god it would be called PAGANMAS, NOT CHRISTMAS. Just because the DATE on the CALENDER coincides with a pagan holiday doesn't mean that LATER holidays held on the same day have anything to do with paganism.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

I'm yammering about retarded democrats bitching about republicans buying the election when Obama just did the exact same thing. You aren't bitching about that now, are you? Go figure, fucking hypocrites..

Maybe if you paid more attention to what Democrats were saying--instead of considering it yammering---you would have realized Democrats were bitching about a *small number of people* buying the election.

Obama is 'buying' the election with small donations from a huge number of people. What the Democrats were bitching about was buying the election with huge donations from a small number of people.

If you can't see the difference between 'I got elected because a huge number of people wanted me to win' and 'I got elected because a small number of people who each have a huge amount of money wanted me to win' then well, to steal a bit from Jeff Foxworthy...You Just Might Be A Republican!

If Obama already had the support of the majority of Americans he wouldn't have needed to campaign at all. Buying an election means giving a candidate so much media exposure that public opinion turns favorable towards him no matter what his politics - this is exactly what Barack Obama has done. Where the money comes from doesn't matter at all.

 

[yzzlthtz]

Funny thing, America is kind of a socialist country these days.
Capitalism is an ideal, not a reality, and will result in terrible things if greed is not kept in check.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

Funny thing, America is kind of a socialist country these days.
Capitalism is an ideal, not a reality, and will result in terrible things if greed is not kept in check.

That's why we don't have pure capitalism in America - we have a mixed capitalist system. Pure capitalism ends up having almost as many problems as pure socialism.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

If Obama already had the support of the majority of Americans he wouldn't have needed to campaign at all. Buying an election means giving a candidate so much media exposure that public opinion turns favorable towards him no matter what his politics - this is exactly what Barack Obama has done. Where the money comes from doesn't matter at all.

I feel as if I slipped down a rabbit hole.

Why is either candidate compaigning? McCain or Obama? I think it's because America is still (barely) a democracy and you have these things called "elections". And yes, campaign financing is a serious issue in America... but I don't think either Senator bears a greater burden of guilt than the other for blocking reform.

The Republicans aren't stinting on the campaign expenses either; certainly not on Palin's wardrobe, to be somewhat topical, though I agree that the clothing bill is small potatoes compared with the cost of TV time. You can't attack the Dems and defend the Reps simultaneously when they're both doing the same thing, unless you're a pathological case or just a die-hard supporter of one side only.

And it used to be that "buying an election" consisted of paying people to vote for you or stand around polls to scare away people who won't vote for you. (Or bribing the vote takers.) There's been careless talk on both sides of your busted political scene about the other deploying such tactics, and frankly I don't think it does anyone any good.

In conclusion, I like the real world and I think I'm going to spend more time there instead of the United States of Anxiety as portrayed in online forums and scare media. I'd welcome anyone willing to join me.

-- Steve

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

It's irrelevant where the money came from. I've yet to see any proof that most of his money came from small donations.

No, where the money came from would seem to be relevant to this conversation.

But I got to give you a hand man, that's a valid return question, "Where's the proof?" Axia777, you got something on that? You got the proof?

And if it is true, what's the percentage?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/barack-obamas-s.html
Obama is spending 3 times more than mccain on advertisements.
Obama's spent 66 million on ads, while mccain's spent 22 million - a three fold difference. If Obama received 50% of his income from private small donations of 20$ or less, that would mean that he earned 33 million from private donations, and 33 million from big donations. Unless you can prove that Obama has earned more than 66% of his donation fund through small donations, you're wrong - because if not, that means that he received more than 22 million in funds from big spenders, which pretty much kills your argument that the republicans are the party of the rich and that we buy our elections.