Bashing the P0rnz

[OptimisticPessimist]

Violent crime is down. People are waiting longer to get pregnant. Condoms are more available than ever.

Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Wanting to fuck as much as you can as often as you can is in our DNA.

There is no problem here.

It is a problem when it becomes outdated. We should be moving towards a society where our population is controlled through artificial reproduction. Sex drives are a relic of a time before technology. And it is quickly going out of date.

From what I can tell, the pregnancy thing is actually a result of societal change. As having children is more of a personal hobby rather than a necessity as it used to be. A very expensive hobby at that. People are starting to realize just what the hell they are getting themselves into.

I don't mean to alarm you, but that that sounds insane. I'm all population control, but what you seem to want is a world devoid of sex. Am I reading that right?

Correct.

Without sex drives, it isn't something that you would ever miss. My first plan was just sterilization. But that proved to be extremely problematic with sex drives in place.(Protests would arise out of personal body chemistry)

Wealth is what you do not need. And when people do not need sex, their lives become significantly less stressful.

Wow. I just...wow. Dude. That's kinda fucked up. I could kinda see where you're coming from, but at the same time I can't. Just out of curiosity, have you ever had sex?

 

[Gentile]

Actually, very actor/actress is pre-screened before each and every scene (unless done by a smalltime/incommpetant studio) and they actually make a decent living. If you enjoy sex that much I don't see the problem with it.

It's nice that they take precautions to prevent the spread of STI's. Too bad they don't take precations to prevent the cause of STI's.

 

[RaphaelsRedemption]

Ok, thanks for expanding. However, while you have given me a list of concerns that may be related to the prevalence of porn, you haven't really explained what you would do with porn. Even if it is directly responsible for all those concerns, would you ban porn? Would you make it illegal? What are you going to do about it?

As far as I can tell from your posts, you are very worried about porn, particularly on young people today, and on the effect it may have on their behaviour. You seem to be discussing this on this forum - maybe to educate people about the negative follow-on effects of viewing porn?

I could argue each concern is not directly the result of viewing porn. But, I going to assume each one is true. Even if it is so, how do we handle something without limiting people's freedoms? If a person is old enough to make decisions for themselves, who are we to dictate what they can and cannot view? I know of some places that do this. One of them is called China. Are you really advocating we take an approach of censoring everything that we personally do not agree with?

Are you advocating scare tactics? Tell people just how bad viewing porn can be for them? Thats commendable (assuming, of course, you really can link porn to issues such as abortion and STD's). However, history will show us that such tactics are usually ineffective. People know smoking is bad for them. However, there are still smokers. You may find a similar effect if a large-scale scare compaign against porn is put into motion.

So, before I go further, what would you do? I know I take responsibility for myself and regulate my own viewing habits, but I would be profoundly uncomfortable with making such decisions for others.

I find freedom to be inherently neutral. Freedom allows for people to pursue good for their own delight as well as evil. Although I do believe that freedom counteracts people's tolerance because it creates a society where there is a huge spectrum of people with voices on ethical values. But, I do believe that there is absolute truth out there no matter how many people seem to disagree with it. That being said, I don't really want to do anything on a large scale. Posting my opinion on The Escapist boards is probably as far as i'm going. I just deal with it on a case-by-case basis with people who I meet. You can shove as many pros and cons as you'd like at people, but as long as they feel an attachment and desire for something - there's no way they're giving it up. Which is why I don't really like to do anything on the large scale for the time being.

As for you. Thanks for the open discussion. :]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you're a Christian.

And "absolute truth" therefore means "a commandment of God backed up by natural law".

I hav no problems with this. But you haven't mentioned this "absolute truth" before, preferring to cite negative issues which may be connected to the viewing of porn.

I honestly think you would have been better served by putting your main reason first, and then mentioning issues you believe are consequences of porn.

As a Catholic, I know we believe that sex is a gift. It is meant to be shared between husband and wife within the sacrament of marriage.

Porn is not a good thing because:

A. It involves people having sex outside of marriage.

B. It is degrading to the fundamental dignity of human beings.

C. It portrays sex as a casual activity, not as a sacred gift.

D. It often leads to masturbation, which in itself is considered wrong by the Catholic Church.

E. It promotes a selfish view of sex, as something to relieve one's own urges, without considering the other uses of sex, such as an expression of love between spouses and the means of procreation.

I could go on, but you can see my reasons for not approving of porn personally are quite different to yours, and that I express them in a very different way.

I would also like to emphasise that while I believe this to be true, and I am happy to share my views, I would not ever want to enforce them on others who do not hold the same beliefs.

 

[Gentile]

I have been exposed to quite a lot of porn yet while I was with my girlfriend I knew quite how to be intimate. How exactly is it thrown around easily? I think you're making teenagers sound dumber and more easily influenced than they are.

How many girlfriends have you had?

Why do you ask? Does it make any difference on the intimacy we've shared? This seems like a trick question (if I think about it):
Too many girlfriends and I'm terrible in relationships and therefore have no right to talk about it. Too little girlfriends and I've not enough experience to talk about the subject, both of which are untrue.

So please, justify why the number of girlfriends I've had makes any difference.

Too many girlfriends, and too many intimacies wasted. Nobody would like to go through a breakup.
Too little girlfriends, and if you're wise enough - you may learn a thing or two from peers who are in relationships. So that you may be ready when it's your time. You're not alone in the world. Go live vicariously once in a while. It helps.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Violent crime is down. People are waiting longer to get pregnant. Condoms are more available than ever.

Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Wanting to fuck as much as you can as often as you can is in our DNA.

There is no problem here.

This, and I would also like to state that in the porn industry they make you do a lot of health checks before you can even see whoever it is you'll be plowing (or being plowed by)

 

[AugustFall]

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I guess the emotional/intimate aspect of sex is easily thrown around these days.

Discuss.

I see this a lot on this site. People saying the magic of being intimate with your partner is gone or whatever. You can wait until marraige and only have sex on a bed of roses if you like, that's fine. Why do you think sex should only be emotional and why do think everyone should subscribe to that?

genuinely interested ^

 

[Gentile]

Don't be absurd, of course not.

I'm afraid that this is the opposite of fucked up. This is completely logical and practical. The more we have control over, the less chaos there is the world. And the less chaos, the better.

I sincerely hope this make sense. If it does not make sense, I will be happy to elaborate any point in greater detail. Just say the word.

Have you considered that humans possess an Emotional Quotient just as much as an Intelligence Quotient?

Or are you saying that emotions are inherently bad.

 

[insaneHoshi]

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my 2 cents (canadian)

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

Wow. I just...wow. Dude. That's kinda fucked up. I could kinda see where you're coming from, but at the same time I can't. Just out of curiosity, have you ever had sex?

Don't be absurd, of course not.

I'm afraid that this is the opposite of fucked up. This is completely logical and practical. The more we have control over, the less chaos there is the world. And the less chaos, the better.

I sincerely hope this make sense.

No, it doesn't. The most glaring problem I see is that if you've never had sex, what the fuck do you think qualifies you to make that kind of judgement call? The other is that you're talking about taking out one of the best parts of life! I mean, I just cannot imagine a world without sex, but I'm guessing it'd be something shallow and sterile. Sex isn't just a means of reproduction or a source of pleasure, although it serves admirably for both. It's also a level of intimacy that transcends what one feels on a day to day basis. It's a connection, it binds people together. Sex is a celebration of the very things that make us human! To talk so casually, so coldly about just getting rid of that is monsterous. It's inhuman. It's frankly terrifying.

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

Look at all these crazy people talking about having the government regulate sex and removing our sex drives.

Sex is fun, porn doesn't destroy intimacy.

Gamecheckuno.

Well stated, my friend.

 

[Gentile]

Ok, thanks for expanding. However, while you have given me a list of concerns that may be related to the prevalence of porn, you haven't really explained what you would do with porn. Even if it is directly responsible for all those concerns, would you ban porn? Would you make it illegal? What are you going to do about it?

As far as I can tell from your posts, you are very worried about porn, particularly on young people today, and on the effect it may have on their behaviour. You seem to be discussing this on this forum - maybe to educate people about the negative follow-on effects of viewing porn?

I could argue each concern is not directly the result of viewing porn. But, I going to assume each one is true. Even if it is so, how do we handle something without limiting people's freedoms? If a person is old enough to make decisions for themselves, who are we to dictate what they can and cannot view? I know of some places that do this. One of them is called China. Are you really advocating we take an approach of censoring everything that we personally do not agree with?

Are you advocating scare tactics? Tell people just how bad viewing porn can be for them? Thats commendable (assuming, of course, you really can link porn to issues such as abortion and STD's). However, history will show us that such tactics are usually ineffective. People know smoking is bad for them. However, there are still smokers. You may find a similar effect if a large-scale scare compaign against porn is put into motion.

So, before I go further, what would you do? I know I take responsibility for myself and regulate my own viewing habits, but I would be profoundly uncomfortable with making such decisions for others.

I find freedom to be inherently neutral. Freedom allows for people to pursue good for their own delight as well as evil. Although I do believe that freedom counteracts people's tolerance because it creates a society where there is a huge spectrum of people with voices on ethical values. But, I do believe that there is absolute truth out there no matter how many people seem to disagree with it. That being said, I don't really want to do anything on a large scale. Posting my opinion on The Escapist boards is probably as far as i'm going. I just deal with it on a case-by-case basis with people who I meet. You can shove as many pros and cons as you'd like at people, but as long as they feel an attachment and desire for something - there's no way they're giving it up. Which is why I don't really like to do anything on the large scale for the time being.

As for you. Thanks for the open discussion. :]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you're a Christian.

And "absolute truth" therefore means "a commandment of God backed up by natural law".

I hav no problems with this. But you haven't mentioned this "absolute truth" before, preferring to cite negative issues which may be connected to the viewing of porn.

I honestly think you would have been better served by putting your main reason first, and then mentioning issues you believe are consequences of porn.

As a Catholic, I know we believe that sex is a gift. It is meant to be shared between husband and wife within the sacrament of marriage.

Porn is not a good thing because:

A. It involves people having sex outside of marriage.

B. It is degrading to the fundamental dignity of human beings.

C. It portrays sex as a casual activity, not as a sacred gift.

D. It often leads to masturbation, which in itself is considered wrong by the Catholic Church.

E. It promotes a selfish view of sex, as something to relieve one's own urges, without considering the other uses of sex, such as an expression of love between spouses and the means of procreation.

I could go on, but you can see my reasons for not approving of porn personally are quite different to yours, and that I express them in a very different way.

I would also like to emphasise that while I believe this to be true, and I am happy to share my views, I would not ever want to enforce them on others who do not hold the same beliefs.

Spot on. I'm a devout evangelical Christian. I started this thread with a broad opening paragraph just to see people's opinion on the topic. I didn't want to give all the facts straight away because I rather enjoy open ended discussions. Even if there are many comments which I can't get to.

A. Yes, but what can I do about that? People believe that it is perfectly ethical to do so these days.

B. I would say that it probably has influenced more than a few people to forget what love truly is and only see it as love for a sexual partner. That "meat inserted into orifice" idea that some people may have of love springs to mind lol.

C. Again, casual sex is a norm already. Freedom speaks.

D. The act isn't, but the thoughts associated with it are - according to mainstream Protestant's interpretation of scripture. But we won't get into that for now.

E. Spot on again.

Who says I have different views on this topic? The only thing we will likely disagree on are doctrinal issues as well as Theology. But again - that would be off topic.

 

[Gentile]

I see this a lot on this site. People saying the magic of being intimate with your partner is gone or whatever. You can wait until marraige and only have sex on a bed of roses if you like, that's fine. Why do you think sex should only be emotional and why do think everyone should subscribe to that?

genuinely interested ^

I'm one of those people who believes that the next time he sees a naked woman would be his future wife. And that she would be worth the wait. Because you know - I like to not get divorced in the future. One of the failings of my parents.

That's how I work towards that goal aite? Cool. Just a little case of "in my opinion" - y'know. :]

 

[Gentile]

The original thought is that chaotic and unchecked birthrates is going to leave our planet dry. Since adequate space travel is turning out to be a pipe dream, it doesn't look as though we will be able to spread to other planets and use those resources. Controlled birth rates suit both situations of both discovering and not discovering quick space travel. But unfortunately, we cannot control birth rates through artificial reproduction as long as humans are able to reproduce on their own. So my next thought was ''sterilization.'' Unfortunately, this alone would cause massive unrest for generations to come from people who still have their sex drives speaking to them. Which leads to the point that sex drives just get in the way of any plans to control birth rates.

This is not the disappearance of a human's own humanity. Humans still have culture. And they will form new culture in time after sex drives are engineered out.

So, pleasurable sex.

We cool with that?

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

Wow. I just...wow. Dude. That's kinda fucked up. I could kinda see where you're coming from, but at the same time I can't. Just out of curiosity, have you ever had sex?

Don't be absurd, of course not.

I'm afraid that this is the opposite of fucked up. This is completely logical and practical. The more we have control over, the less chaos there is the world. And the less chaos, the better.

I sincerely hope this make sense.

No, it doesn't. The most glaring problem I see is that if you've never had sex, what the fuck do you think qualifies you to make that kind of judgement call? The other is that you're talking about taking out one of the best parts of life. I mean, I just cannot imagine a world without sex, but I'm guessing it'd be something shallow and sterile. Sex isn't just a means of reproduction or a source of pleasure, although it serves admirably for both. It's also a level of intimacy that transcends what one feels on a day to day basis. It's a connection, it binds people together. Sex is a celebration of the very things that make us human. To talk so casually, so coldly about just getting rid of that is monsterous. It's inhuman. It's frankly terrifying.

The original thought is that chaotic and unchecked birthrates is going to leave our planet dry. Since adequate space travel is turning out to be a pipe dream, it doesn't look as though we will be able to spread to other planets and use those resources. Controlled birth rates suit both situations of both discovering and not discovering quick space travel. But unfortunately, we cannot control birth rates through artificial reproduction as long as humans are able to reproduce on their own. So my next thought was ''sterilization.'' Unfortunately, this alone would cause massive unrest for generations to come from people who still have their sex drives speaking to them. Which leads to the point that sex drives just get in the way of any plans to control birth rates.

This is not the disappearance of a human's own humanity. Humans still have culture. And they will form new culture in time after sex drives are engineered out.

Allright, clearly we're not gonna agree here. I still think you're crazy, but I generally try to stay away from internet arguements. Bravo for getting me into one in the first place.