Battlefield 3 Beta - Your Thoughts?
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Broken? How? As far as I know, once you engage knifing, the other player is also locked in the animation so he can't kill you. It seems to work just fine here, yes it's as slow as you describe it, but that's how it's supposed to work. Are you also not forgetting that this is an old beta build of the game? That these things are going to get a good ol' bit of polish (at least they'd better) before the game actually comes out?Raideh said:
All I have to say is that they should rename it to Battlefail BushCamper 3. That sums up my experience. Now back to KZ2 for me
That isn't a harmless strike in the air, that's your character actually pulling out the knife before delivering the killing blow. So it isn't broken at all, as it being broken suggests that it doesn't work like it should. But it is supposed to work exactly as you're describing, hence why it ain't broken.Raideh said:
And doesn't it make sense that it works like it does anyway? Doesn't it make sense that stabbing someone with a knife in a vital area takes quite a bit of time? I mean, it's not meant to be a viable weapon of war in today's modern conflicts, like CoD apparently uses it. In the game it's purely meant as a quiet surprise tool, as humiliation. You got your side arm as your regular last resort, the knife is there to show silly campers and stragglers that it's important to stick with your team. I'm really not seeing why it should be overhauled.
As for it being hard, I just finished a round where I did about 3 knifekills. It's all about picking your targets wisely. That's on the PC by the way.
Do remember that this is only one map. A small one at that. In a beta no less. It's also quite easy to completely avoid said campers by either moving quietly and staying low, or using smoke grenades when you've unlocked those. Stop thinking in problems, start thinking in solutions. And for campers there are plenty of solutions.IamSofaKingRaw said:
You're exaggerating ever so slightly...Raideh said:
46 knife kills, and I've only been killed during the animation maybe three times. I would have many more, but I've pretty much stopped doing knife kills if only because it takes kills away from my PDW, which gives me less points overall. AH LOVE MAH POINTS.
Anyway, the knife isn't supposed to be a viable weapon. It's more of a humiliation tool that says 'Don't camp.' or 'lrn2situationalawareness.'
You and me played a different game. On 360 it was repulsive. It looked like the entire game was laminated, which was a problem since the sun glinted off of everything. I can't imagine playing the game long enough to unlock a scope for guns. I guess that is cool though. If you like crouching in a bush and pixel hunting through a scope 24/7.ezeroast said:
Im worried about the sniping issue, in bad company 2 If a sniper tried to kill me I could locate him in a few seconds and spot him and basicaly have my entire team open fire on it, but in this It's just an SVD/MkII sniper war.
I've played on both the Xbox 360 and the PC version. I'm finding the PC version to be more playable, but then again my history of BF Vietnam to 2142 makes me feel more at home.
BF3 on the 360, for when I played, was laggy and full of bugs, I'm fine with this, I have beta tested many games, most under NDAs and in Alpha testing. It's annoying, yet, but I can live with it and see the Gem inside of the very, very rough edges.
on the 360 the tracers would stay in mid-air, a foot long or so of white light, and with full auto there were tons and tons of this, enough to make for some horrendous framelag. This, plus the Attachments & Magazines not going in guns, was annoying, but hardly gamebreaking. If anyone is expecting polish, they are kidding themselves. In todays world of Day-One patches, they can ship-it in whatever form they want, really. At least the Multiplayer aspect.
I also noticed it looked like poop. It reminded me of my old days of having a crappy computer built around the lowest requirements for BF2142. Low on nearly everything, but hey. I had 60FPS. It just looked bad, mixed with the insane amount of bloom and gloom I was discouraged from my TV. I do not have a HDTV, and the gameplay did not take up my full screen, leaving black bars on the top and bottom. Screen adjustment in-game (An awesome tool btw) didn't solve it, but whatever. Thats fine.
I DL'd the PC beta, and fell in love with it. While I am quickly getting bored of the same map (all future beta's, be advised, we need at least 2 or 3 maps when you open it.) I loved how the UI didn't shake when I moved, I loved my graphics, I loved the mouse to gunplay.
I enjoy the gunplay, simple as that. When I shoot a gun, it jostles and moves and hops around, and not just in a vertical climb. This makes me happy, the gunplay goes hand in hand with the freedom of movement. I feel that I am in control of my character, what I want to be done, can get done. And while there are annoying tidbits to movement, I feel overall satisfied. I wish they were able to fix for the first time ever the always present issue of going prone and crawling over the top of a rock. When you do this your gun and face is always looking upwords at the sky, even though you are technically looking down and shooting down, using the rocks as cover.
The level progression is fast, but not overly rewarding. In Bad Company 2, I maxed everything out really fast. I never had a supreme feeling of achievement when I got something. When I unlocked something I felt like I had just joined with everyone else. In BF3, I feel that my unlocks note the kind of person I am. Like having a Laser on a shotgun, people now that you've spent time with it to unlock it. Speaking of shotguns, this brings me to the ever present balance.
Balancing in this map might not reflect the actual game well, this map is a very good map to showcase the new, realistic shotgun. Different shell loadouts (while still sad you cannot change shells while alive) is a huge plus to the realities of what a shotgun can do. You can throw a slug shell in and go through an engine block, then put in buckshot and take out door hinges. The shotgun is a utility tool, as well as carnage in close. Throw in Slugs and you can (IRL anyways) shoot out to 200 yards. Thats a LONG way to go, accurately. This is fairly represented in the game.
Those stating that shotguns are too powerful in BF3, should google 00 Buckshot. That is what is being shot at you. I'm hearing a lot of "We need more health or guns need to be nerfed" going around, and I think that is crap. People are still believing that if someone shoots at you, you should be able to turn around and shoot back to establish that you are a better shooter, therefore making it "skill" based. I believe that if I fire the first shot I have won, as long as I can aim. I carry this even if I'm not the one that gets to shoot first. Even if I loose I go "Well, he got the first shot, therefore he was in a better position, therefore I -lost in the overall game of tactics-
This game is entertaining. I have run and gun with the shotgun in the subway tunnels, I have taken a 249 SAW and bipodded up on a wall an entire game without dying, I have -not- used a sniper rifle though. I do not use any rifles, from the SVD to the MK11. I hate how the characters look, too. I feel I can live without it. Even if I die alot to them. I feel this is a dictation of the -map-, not the game.
Caspian Border is the 64 player(PC) vehicle map meant to be the true 'battlefield' (I have always felt Rush is a console game mode, even if it is fun) Unfortunately, I have not been able to play it as it's locked. So. Poop. :I
All in all, fun game, yes there are bugs, it looks good on PC's, which means that when the Console version comes out it should be just as pretty (probably intentionally turned GFX's down to test networking abilities and be able to identify the issue faster as you can rule out graphics) and be just as playable vehicle wise as BC2.
Still need to play Caspian Border to judge this beta fully. As Op. Metro is... sort of boring after the 100th playthrough.
BF3 on the 360, for when I played, was laggy and full of bugs, I'm fine with this, I have beta tested many games, most under NDAs and in Alpha testing. It's annoying, yet, but I can live with it and see the Gem inside of the very, very rough edges.
on the 360 the tracers would stay in mid-air, a foot long or so of white light, and with full auto there were tons and tons of this, enough to make for some horrendous framelag. This, plus the Attachments & Magazines not going in guns, was annoying, but hardly gamebreaking. If anyone is expecting polish, they are kidding themselves. In todays world of Day-One patches, they can ship-it in whatever form they want, really. At least the Multiplayer aspect.
I also noticed it looked like poop. It reminded me of my old days of having a crappy computer built around the lowest requirements for BF2142. Low on nearly everything, but hey. I had 60FPS. It just looked bad, mixed with the insane amount of bloom and gloom I was discouraged from my TV. I do not have a HDTV, and the gameplay did not take up my full screen, leaving black bars on the top and bottom. Screen adjustment in-game (An awesome tool btw) didn't solve it, but whatever. Thats fine.
I DL'd the PC beta, and fell in love with it. While I am quickly getting bored of the same map (all future beta's, be advised, we need at least 2 or 3 maps when you open it.) I loved how the UI didn't shake when I moved, I loved my graphics, I loved the mouse to gunplay.
I enjoy the gunplay, simple as that. When I shoot a gun, it jostles and moves and hops around, and not just in a vertical climb. This makes me happy, the gunplay goes hand in hand with the freedom of movement. I feel that I am in control of my character, what I want to be done, can get done. And while there are annoying tidbits to movement, I feel overall satisfied. I wish they were able to fix for the first time ever the always present issue of going prone and crawling over the top of a rock. When you do this your gun and face is always looking upwords at the sky, even though you are technically looking down and shooting down, using the rocks as cover.
The level progression is fast, but not overly rewarding. In Bad Company 2, I maxed everything out really fast. I never had a supreme feeling of achievement when I got something. When I unlocked something I felt like I had just joined with everyone else. In BF3, I feel that my unlocks note the kind of person I am. Like having a Laser on a shotgun, people now that you've spent time with it to unlock it. Speaking of shotguns, this brings me to the ever present balance.
Balancing in this map might not reflect the actual game well, this map is a very good map to showcase the new, realistic shotgun. Different shell loadouts (while still sad you cannot change shells while alive) is a huge plus to the realities of what a shotgun can do. You can throw a slug shell in and go through an engine block, then put in buckshot and take out door hinges. The shotgun is a utility tool, as well as carnage in close. Throw in Slugs and you can (IRL anyways) shoot out to 200 yards. Thats a LONG way to go, accurately. This is fairly represented in the game.
Those stating that shotguns are too powerful in BF3, should google 00 Buckshot. That is what is being shot at you. I'm hearing a lot of "We need more health or guns need to be nerfed" going around, and I think that is crap. People are still believing that if someone shoots at you, you should be able to turn around and shoot back to establish that you are a better shooter, therefore making it "skill" based. I believe that if I fire the first shot I have won, as long as I can aim. I carry this even if I'm not the one that gets to shoot first. Even if I loose I go "Well, he got the first shot, therefore he was in a better position, therefore I -lost in the overall game of tactics-
This game is entertaining. I have run and gun with the shotgun in the subway tunnels, I have taken a 249 SAW and bipodded up on a wall an entire game without dying, I have -not- used a sniper rifle though. I do not use any rifles, from the SVD to the MK11. I hate how the characters look, too. I feel I can live without it. Even if I die alot to them. I feel this is a dictation of the -map-, not the game.
Caspian Border is the 64 player(PC) vehicle map meant to be the true 'battlefield' (I have always felt Rush is a console game mode, even if it is fun) Unfortunately, I have not been able to play it as it's locked. So. Poop. :I
All in all, fun game, yes there are bugs, it looks good on PC's, which means that when the Console version comes out it should be just as pretty (probably intentionally turned GFX's down to test networking abilities and be able to identify the issue faster as you can rule out graphics) and be just as playable vehicle wise as BC2.
Still need to play Caspian Border to judge this beta fully. As Op. Metro is... sort of boring after the 100th playthrough.
The graphic options are locked? Not for me. They are limited, but not locked. I used my usual calibration trick which is to hit "Auto" and then knock the AA down a notch.Frederik Bro Johansen said:
I was spawn camped five times in a row last night, eventually I broke a personal rule and spawned on a Recon and then my squad backtracked and flushed the campers out. Then they abused us for being noobs? That said, I've gotten the hang of it now, I was playing quake style, now I've slowed down and really love sprinting, hurdling a couple of walls and then diving to prone to set up a defensive position. Spotting as always is where I get most of my points from, and it sure helps find those bush campers. Oh and the last defensive position, playing as an engineer and hitting those hotels with RPGs is some of the most fun I've had in a shooter in a long time.
i noticed that too, i found sometimes i would stop sprinting for no reason an then i couldn't start sprinting again until i looked down the gun sights for a second.PeePantz said:
going through eh ground is annoying as shit, and my gun randomly went from auto so single fire mid fire fight and i didn't know how to fix it...
overall i'm disappointed, THIS was supposed to compete against CoD? what a joke!
I dig it so long as they work out the bugs. I am cool with the knifing too. Lightweight commando types are annoying and ruin the flow of the game. I don't find this knife difficult to pull off. As well, the flow of the game is rather nice. I have played all classes and they are all great in different ways. I have been running a sniper in the park-subway. I run shotgun subway-offices. Then it is engineer or assault from offices-city. I really like how they all play.
The teamwork the game encourages is amazing. I see more people hanging back to guard anyone who goes in for the objective than I see fighting over who gets to lay down the charge. The only thing I have to ***** about is the bugs. The guys do look a little funny but honestly, who gives a shit? Amiright?
Just avoid the crater by objective A in the park. You will fall through the floor every fucking time. Objective A in general has a lot of tiny areas where you could fall through. But the crater by the satellite is every damn time I go near it.
The teamwork the game encourages is amazing. I see more people hanging back to guard anyone who goes in for the objective than I see fighting over who gets to lay down the charge. The only thing I have to ***** about is the bugs. The guys do look a little funny but honestly, who gives a shit? Amiright?
Just avoid the crater by objective A in the park. You will fall through the floor every fucking time. Objective A in general has a lot of tiny areas where you could fall through. But the crater by the satellite is every damn time I go near it.
As I suspected, the PC beta is plagued by campers. In the first area of Metro all you see are snipers literally prone inside bushes waiting on people.
This is why I prefer Call of Duty. That type of moron would be ridiculed relentlessly until he left the lobby in CoD.
This is why I prefer Call of Duty. That type of moron would be ridiculed relentlessly until he left the lobby in CoD.