Battlefield 3 Will Require Origin

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Dogstile

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ph0b0s123 said:
What a bunch of Steam loving hypocrites. Where was all this complaining when Steam did it. I posted many times with complains about how non valve non-online purchased single player games were using steamworks which required Steam to be installed and no-one cared. Well, you reap what you sow. To late to belly ache now....

Steam does it = OK

EA does it = BAD

Is it me or do Steam fanbois seem very much like Apple fanbois with their idols can never do any wrong.

At least Origin is only being used for EA games, unlike Steamworks...
You know, i'd find this completely fine, except for one thing. Edit: ugh, night fail, except for a few things.

One, I own a fair few games on steam, they're tied to steam, why the hell would I move for one game?

Two, there are rumors that steam and origin will clash. If they do, I am certain that it won't be because of bad design, but intentional. They are only rumors, but its still unnerving. I use steam as my basic chat client now. Intentionally blocking that would be a dick move.

Three, because everyone brings this point up. Steam making it a requirement to use their service is STILL a dick move. People complained when it first started, i'm still complaining now.

This is ridiculous, I don't exactly enjoy having to give out credit card details to separate fucking companies. Especially with all the recent hacking.

They want me to use their service? I THREW IT ON THE GROUND

 

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The best part is, they'd get more people to use their god damn clone of Steam if they didn't try to force it down our throats.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Quoted for notification.

I've just had word with EA's customer service. It seems this tweet was misinterpreted as they have confirmed that Battlefield 3 will NOT require Origin if a retail product is purchased.


Which makes sense tbh. Origin is a digital distribution platform, not a DRM service. We know as much from information about Star Wars: The Old Republic (can link to developer interactions about that too if you like)
 

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Soooo, just to avoid reading a 10 pages long forum thread, this news is a 'PC gamer only issue'.
And a big one at that! :)
What about the consoles versions ?
Does that mean EA is planning to implement its online pass scheme to this game?
 

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Vrach said:
That's not the problem. Origin IP blocking regions of the world. That's the fucking problem. If this is the case, I quite literally won't be able to play the game. Really hope there's something amiss here cause fuck knows you don't need a DRM to protect an online game with an authentication system.
Steam has region IP locks as well. Point being?

Everyone saying "everyone loves Valve", but what if that's not true? Really the only game i liked from Valve was first Portal, and that's about it.
I applaud them for bringing indie devs into the spotlight but currently they are loosing even that, since other digital distributors do the thing better.
I dislike Valve for not letting me pay in my country currency, forcing me to use euros, and thus making me pay 30% more for a game, despite the fact other DDs do not have such nonsense, including the "oh so evil" EA.

The famous Steam Deals? They are still more expensive than my local retailers deals and those don't vanish over the weekend with odd timing, because 11am for Valve is different than my 11am. I can get a game for as little as 0.25 euro/0.33$ at a normal media shop here with some of the deals...

Sorry, personally i just treat those services as patchers/launchers, like many of online games do have, especially MMOs. I don't buy a game from a certain place only because i like or dislike given distributor, i buy it where i get the best deal, the logo on a shop means nothing.
Steam has region locks, sure, but I have never had a region locking problem that has required anything more than a ticket with support in order to fix. I live in Japan and my Steamworks games are bought boxed from other countries like the USA and the UK. I don't buy online via the Japanese Steam store. I buy from the Australian store, and all that required was myself to inform Support of my circumstance, they then opened my account to access the Aussie store.

The games themselves are very rarely region locked. I have never had a problem. The locks that do exist are when some publishers wish to control global launches, or uphold censorship in certain countries. On the other hand, if a Steam user receives a 'gifted' game, it will override all those locks, bar time-based ones, and the region of origin for the gift will be the region of the game installed. Thus, Aussies can play uncut games.

EA on the other hand, have been totally unreasonable with myself and the rest of the foreign PC gaming community here in Japan. Origin forces users to the geographic store of their IP address, and there is no other option beyond that. EA's official word is that it's "impossible to allow access to other stores".

This highlights the major difference between the two businesses, and in fact, so many of EA's business practices also support it: EA don't really care about what we consumers do, as long as they walk the fine line between beating us so we don't come back, and beating us just enough that we still think they're redeemable. Battered spouse syndrome 101.

In EA's mind, gamers like me and the millions out there living outside of the regions we 'should be living in', don't exist, and nobody has the authority or care to set aside the rule book and adapt to our specific consumer needs. They even deliberately strip the bilingual options from many of the Japanese releases of their PC games, only so that the game unattractive to non-Japanese. Yet they also bar the non-Japanese residents here in Japan access to the other Origin stores. What are we to do? We are not the problem. The absolutist application of arbitrary rules, is.

Valve, however, recognise that the customer is still king, and while they still must chase a bottom line, they chase it far more fairly than EA has ever done. The world of digital distribution is a global one, thus, weighing it down with 'old world' limitations and protectionist measures, is defeating the purpose and promise of the medium.

I sold my Xbox 360 because MS and EA were making it virtually impossible to guaranty that I'd be able to play and maintain the games that bought from them. I moved to the PC because it was, at that time, relatively boundless. I am satisfied with Valve because though they do have restrictions, I know that they aren't unreasonable, and when I move back to Australia, an email to Support will be all I need to allow my Japanese purchases to cross the border.

Now, EA has done very little to instill me with similar confidence. And if you want to complain about pricing, check the Japanese Origin store (if that was possible). The average game there is 9,000 yen, though on Amazon, the same games, redeemable on Origin btw, are half that or less. Sure, Steam's pricing is not going to be perfect for all, but honestly, by undertaking certain strategies and prioritising my purchases, I have never felt ripped off by a single one of the tens of games I have bought for the service.
 

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Vrach said:
Andy Chalk said:
Quoted for notification.

I've just had word with EA's customer service. It seems this tweet was misinterpreted as they have confirmed that Battlefield 3 will NOT require Origin if a retail product is purchased.


Which makes sense tbh. Origin is a digital distribution platform, not a DRM service. We know as much from information about Star Wars: The Old Republic (can link to developer interactions about that too if you like)
Wait, we get three hundred and five posts into a hate filled thread of butthurt and flaming, and you've pretty much rendered it all invalid with a single image.

Well I suppose it just proves a picture really can say 1000 words... Hmm, I think I might go outside now.
 

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(and in answer to the above, if it is an issue of authentication and stat tracking, consoles will likely connect to EA in the background just like Mass Effect 2)
Yet with ME2 they give the player a choice in connecting with EA's servers. At first, I would always connect to EA so they could see all of my non-soldier play-thrus (Bioware said that according to their stats most people play as a soldier and then they also said that they want to craft the game towards how most people play it. After that, I feared that later iterations of Mass Effect would be more of a shooter and less about other abilities or powers).

However, after I stopped connecting to their servers, something different and extraordinary happened. While I enjoyed ME2 immensely, I always had a problem with it lagging and sometimes freezing or never leaving a loading screen. Yet when I stopped connecting to their servers, all of those problems suddenly stopped and my game played beautifully. Even the loading times shortened.

Now I'm concerned about EA forcing Origin on anyone who picks up ME3.
 

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airrazor7 said:
Frost27 said:
(and in answer to the above, if it is an issue of authentication and stat tracking, consoles will likely connect to EA in the background just like Mass Effect 2)
Yet with ME2 they give the player a choice in connecting with EA's servers. At first, I would always connect to EA so they could see all of my non-soldier play-thrus (Bioware said that according to their stats most people play as a soldier and then they also said that they want to craft the game towards how most people play it. After that, I feared that later iterations of Mass Effect would be more of a shooter and less about other abilities or powers).

However, after I stopped connecting to their servers, something different and extraordinary happened. While I enjoyed ME2 immensely, I always had a problem with it lagging and sometimes freezing or never leaving a loading screen. Yet when I stopped connecting to their servers, all of those problems suddenly stopped and my game played beautifully. Even the loading times shortened.

Now I'm concerned about EA forcing Origin on anyone who picks up ME3.

Hmmm interesting. I'm going to have to try that out tonight, what system were you playing it on?
 

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Sorry if this is considered a thread necro or whatever (timezones are out of whack), but I just really, really want to know if this Origin constant-online requirement is still on or not. I'm intrigued by that transcript posted above, where someone from EA service states it won't, but I've just read article after article from various websites stating that it DOES.

Now there are people claiming to boycott it (which could be serious, or simply trivial tuff e-threats, whatever). But it affects my decision whether to buy it or not since my connection is pretty shoddy. So when there's a straight answer, I'd like to know. Anyone else confused?
 

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I wouldn't put to much into that customer support as i recall reading a transcript from them saying that BF3 would in fact be on steam. But really Origin being required put me off(the only game ill tolerate on origin will be ME3 praying it won't need it tho). I was happy to go buy a retail copy instead of a digital copy from steam until i found out id need Origin and to the people who complain about steam games never working i have over 200+ games on steam and have never had any problems due the fact that it was a steam copy.