Battlefield: Bad Company 2 - Vietnam

[Timbydude]

No, this isn't a joke. It's a real expansion for Bad Company 2 that's coming out in December.

I hate to say it, but it's very hard to make the argument that this game isn't trying to be Call of Duty right now. I enjoyed both Bad Company games, but...really? Did they think no one would notice?

In case you don't understand what I'm implying, I'd like to point out that BC2 is a modern game; it takes place entirely in the present day (or a fictional representation of it). To make a game centered on Vietnam just after the release of a Call of Duty game that was (for a large portion) set in Vietnam seems almost like an act of desperation. It also seems strange considering the decidedly modern setting of the Bad Company subseries.

I love DICE's games and I have no doubt that the game will be fun; I'm just surprised that they're so blatantly ripping off Black Ops.

What do you think about this?

Sources:

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/battlefield-bad-company-2-vietnam-strikes-dec-21-vip-map-pack/

http://www.battlefieldbadcompany2.com

http://store.steampowered.com/app/47880/

 

[Hippobatman]

Source?

I've heard that a Battlefield: Vietnam (no, not the old one) was in the works, but adding it to the Bad Company games feels a bit awkward. I mean, wasn't Bad Company centered around a small modern day military squad? Wasn't that the entire point?

I dunno, the multiplayer's different at least.

 

[lostzombies.com]

Too late for the party.

They should have released it during the summer draught.

Unforgivable business decision making.

 

[Vampire cat]

Excuse me?

I'm not a fan of pay-for DLC and I won't be getting it, as I'm not a big BC2 fan either, but act of desperation?

I seem to recall a game called "Battlefield: Vietnam", which is pretty good and old by now. Going back to the old roots seems like a good idea right about now, too bad that the general idea of how a console FPS should be have tainted the previously PC-exclusive Battlefield series into becoming something it should never have been.

The Bad Company games aren't bad, they are just too much like CoD and any other console game out there. I want the big tasty maps back, the multi-player games with room for 64 people, proper vehicles, helicopters and aircraft. Not to mention getting my prone button back, damn it!

And I'm not at all suprised they are doing this. They do just as Medal of Honor did, and what they did before with Bad Company and indeed Bad Company 2 too, whom this DLC is for. They copy CoD, because people buy CoD, and they buy it like the stuff was needed for them to be able to breathe. Of course they copy CoD, CoD makes money like nothing else these days!

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

How are they copying COD? They introduced Vietnam to gaming, well pretty much did. Plus the game play of Battlefield games is always better than COD, so its not copying at all.

 

[Timbydude]

And I'm not at all suprised they are doing this. They do just as Medal of Honor did, and what they did before with Bad Company and indeed Bad Company 2 too, whom this DLC is for. They copy CoD, because people buy CoD, and they buy it like the stuff was needed for them to be able to breathe. Of course they copy CoD, CoD makes money like nothing else these days!

I guess I'm not surprised that they're trying to make money off of what's popular; that's understandable. I'm just surprised that they're doing it so blatantly, and not even trying to disguise their intentions.

How are they copying COD? They introduced Vietnam to gaming, well pretty much did. Plus the game play of Battlefield games is always better than COD, so its not copying at all.

Regardless of whether or not they did Vietnam in a previous entry, it has absolutely no place in the Bad Company subseries, which is supposed to take place in a modern setting. And...the thing about gameplay just doesn't make sense.

 

[Vampire cat]

I guess I'm not surprised that they're trying to make money off of what's popular; that's understandable. I'm just surprised that they're doing it so blatantly, and not even trying to disguise their intentions.

That's just the thing tho, they don't need to disguise it. They'll easily "get away with" this, just like most other games in the current market get away with shamelessly copying and repeating themselves. Sure the critics will jab on about how this and that sucks about the game, but the truth is the people that buy these things in such bulks don't give a flying crap what the critics think, as long as they can still do the fast-knife thing and throw grenades while bunny-hopping about on their cramped little maps with almost no player-capacity >>.

I WANT MY 64-PLAYER MAPS BACK! AAAAH! *goes back to playing BF2142 and BF2 again*

 

[Sacman]

I've seen screen shots... it doesn't look like anything special other than the setting... I mean they're in a lush jungle environment they could do so much with that, both graphically and design wise... like they could have based it around guerrilla warfare and surviving ambushes and traps instead of simply killing everything that moved... this could conceivably restructure the entire format of the game depending on how it was done making it a more open sandbox type game with a bigger emphasis on exploration... not to mention how awesome it would be for multiplayer trekking around a huge map setting up traps and ambushes for other players... than again it is just DLC and no one will buy it if it doesn't have enough explosions to give you an epileptic fit...

 

[Master Kuja]

They're not trying to make money off of what's popular, Vietnam was announced before Black Ops was even relevant, DICE have just been having a hell of a time fixing everything that's broken in BC2 before committing any real time to working on it.

It's only a multi-player add on anyway, so they can get away with sliding it into the Bad Company franchise, because the multi-player isn't quite the light hearted giggle-fest that BC2 campaign was.

At any rate, I've always been confused by the "BAD COMPANY 2 IS TOO MUCH LIKE COD!" argument. Sure, it may have a similar look, but it handles differently, it plays differently, there's a ton of different mechanics in effect at any given time and the game actually involves teamwork, not running around like a wanton moron into enemy gunfire, there are penalties for death.

Then you get the CoD "Pros" coming along who can't shoot for shit and, can't arm an M-Com to save their lives and never spot, but that's a topic for another thread.

If you can't tell, I'm a devout Bad Company 2 fan who would gladly write endless love notes to that game and I'd jump at the chance to get some Vietnam based content.

 

[Tuken]

Battlefield Vietnam - Made in 2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Vietnam

I am aware that this isn't really relevent to the Black Ops and Vietnam thing but it was there first, just thought I'd toss it in.



Here is a video from E3

You're kinda late to the party with the whole Black Ops and BF:Vietnam thing

This is also from E3

If I remember correctly, after much debating the main points of BO vs. BF whittled down to the bigger combat areas and vehicles in BF while BO would just be Treyarch's rehash of last years CoD in a new environment.

Regardless of whether or not they did Vietnam in a previous entry, it has absolutely no place in the Bad Company subseries, which is supposed to take place in a modern setting. And...the thing about gameplay just doesn't make sense.

Just felt like pointing out the start of Bad Company 2, which is WWII.
And I know that the bulk of the plot takes place in the modern era - There is no need to point it out.

 

[HuntrRose]

They're not trying to make money off of what's popular, Vietnam was announced before Black Ops was even relevant, DICE have just been having a hell of a time fixing everything that's broken in BC2 before committing any real time to working on it.

It's only a multi-player add on anyway, so they can get away with sliding it into the Bad Company franchise, because the multi-player isn't quite the light hearted giggle-fest that BC2 campaign was.

At any rate, I've always been confused by the "BAD COMPANY 2 IS TOO MUCH LIKE COD!" argument. Sure, it may have a similar look, but it handles differently, it plays differently, there's a ton of different mechanics in effect at any given time and the game actually involves teamwork, not running around like a wanton moron into enemy gunfire, there are penalties for death.

Then you get the CoD "Pros" coming along who can't shoot for shit and, can't arm an M-Com to save their lives and never spot, but that's a topic for another thread.

If you can't tell, I'm a devout Bad Company 2 fan who would gladly write endless love notes to that game and I'd jump at the chance to get some Vietnam based content.

STOP NINJAING MY THOUGTS!

 

[fozzy360]

I fail to see how this is ripping-off Blops. This was announced back during E3, back when not that much was known about Black Ops aside from it's setting of the Cold War. It's something they've been working on and keeping people up on little by little since then. It doesn't seem like they're copying anything, which is how some have chosen to paint this. Besides, as

How are they copying COD? They introduced Vietnam to gaming, well pretty much did. Plus the game play of Battlefield games is always better than COD, so its not copying at all.

already said, DICE came out swinging early with Vietnam. Makes sense that they'd want to go back to it. Plus, the expansion is multiplayer only. Far as I've read, the campaign is being left alone.

EDIT: Poop. Ninja'd.

-snip-

What I was thinking.

 

[Swaki]

eh, when i first saw it popping up on steam i got exited, i really liked the campaign in bad company 1 and 2, while fps MP hasent interested me since return to castle wolfenstein, with the exception of my beloved unreal franchise, so when i saw it was just 4 new MP maps i forgot all about it.

What does interest me about map packs is those related to CoD, now if i remember correctly, which is likely i dont, modern warfare 2 got 2 map packs, and they sold in the millions, for another franchise i see the appeal, you get to draw attention to your game even after its launch, keep making money and draw in some of the people who stopped playing to keep the servers alive, but this is CoD, a annual game, black ops was announced and had a trailer before the map pack hit steam, why would you want to spend more money on the multiplayer of a game that will be nullified in less than a year?.

But as i already mentioned i have no real interest in 98% of all fps's so i might be missing the point.

btw, remember how fun, huge, varied and awesome the rooster in unreal 04 was? why cant we get that back? super meat boy was praised for the number of characters in their game, and there's only like 10, dont be afraid of putting some variety and colours in your games.

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

Anyone ever heard of a coincidence? seriously when things like this arise and it may seem like a game is copying another game no one ever thinks maybe it is a coincidence?

 

[Vampire cat]

They're not trying to make money off of what's popular, Vietnam was announced before Black Ops was even relevant, DICE have just been having a hell of a time fixing everything that's broken in BC2 before committing any real time to working on it.

It's only a multi-player add on anyway, so they can get away with sliding it into the Bad Company franchise, because the multi-player isn't quite the light hearted giggle-fest that BC2 campaign was.

At any rate, I've always been confused by the "BAD COMPANY 2 IS TOO MUCH LIKE COD!" argument. Sure, it may have a similar look, but it handles differently, it plays differently, there's a ton of different mechanics in effect at any given time and the game actually involves teamwork, not running around like a wanton moron into enemy gunfire, there are penalties for death.

Then you get the CoD "Pros" coming along who can't shoot for shit and, can't arm an M-Com to save their lives and never spot, but that's a topic for another thread.

If you can't tell, I'm a devout Bad Company 2 fan who would gladly write endless love notes to that game and I'd jump at the chance to get some Vietnam based content.

But it IS too much like CoD. Like I said, it's not a bad game, but it's not what a Battlefield game of the future should have looked like, because of its heavy adaption to the console-FPS that it is.

I thought the Battlefield after 2142 would be grander, more realistic, more team-work-y and with more guns, but we only got the guns, none of the other. I mean, by then we knew there would be destructible terrain, and we were all psyched about it, but in our heads it would still be at least a 64-player capability, and the maps would be no smaller than the small side of the BF2 and 2142 maps, but we got some scaled-down version, first in the series was a console exclusive, and the second one was just like the first one (actually, even smaller).

It is a different game, but it takes many a page from the console book, a book that has recently had several of its chapters added by CoD. I can't wait for BF3... Battlefield is coming home to the PC again, and I do hope they did it properly this time, the way a Battlefield game SHOULD be. And don't they dare forget us again...

Oh, and the team-work in BC2 is VERY meager, to say the least. Better than CoD, granted, but that isn't saying much... it's unfortunate that you don't see much along the lines of team-work in online play outside of a bunch for friends/clannies playing.

 

[Korolev]

Don't think I'll be getting this. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed BFBC2 a LOT, but like any multiplayer shooter, after about a month or two, I stop playing it. I haven't played any BFBC2 since...... what, September?

I'll get back in to enjoy the new free maps, but buying an expansion pack? Sorry. The only DLC content I buy is for Single player games.

I'm not saying it's not worth it - from the looks of it, it appears to be a good deal for a die hard BFBC2 fan.

Just not for anyone else.

 

[Alon Shechter]

They're not trying to make money off of what's popular, Vietnam was announced before Black Ops was even relevant, DICE have just been having a hell of a time fixing everything that's broken in BC2 before committing any real time to working on it.

It's only a multi-player add on anyway, so they can get away with sliding it into the Bad Company franchise, because the multi-player isn't quite the light hearted giggle-fest that BC2 campaign was.

At any rate, I've always been confused by the "BAD COMPANY 2 IS TOO MUCH LIKE COD!" argument. Sure, it may have a similar look, but it handles differently, it plays differently, there's a ton of different mechanics in effect at any given time and the game actually involves teamwork, not running around like a wanton moron into enemy gunfire, there are penalties for death.

Then you get the CoD "Pros" coming along who can't shoot for shit and, can't arm an M-Com to save their lives and never spot, but that's a topic for another thread.

If you can't tell, I'm a devout Bad Company 2 fan who would gladly write endless love notes to that game and I'd jump at the chance to get some Vietnam based content.

You NINJA!
Also, there were quite a few games on Vietnam, just because BC2:Vietnam happens to launch closer to Black Ops doesn't mean it is copying it.
Just like the accusations that BC2 was copying MW2, after all the Battlefield series beat the MW series to the modern times.

 

[electric discordian]

So you get a Flame thrower tank in Black Op's? If you do I will shut up!

I think BC2 Vietnam makes sense as many of the central characters in the main game would have been old enough to have been in Nam, they haven't especially gone to lengths to distance themselves from the Nam idea with Gunship raids and Hippie chopper pilots.

Humour is what separates Cod and BBC2, as does the need to work as a team and the vehicles!

They are not really copying just trying something new!

 

[fozzy360]

-snipped-

Really? See, the reason I love BC2 is because it's so different from COD. The controls feel heavier, the guns feel as if they have weight, the action is chaotic but focused as well, the team work is vital and very fun. It almost sounds like you're playing a completely different game. I'm not trying to undermine your opinion or anything cuz that's the way you feel. It's just that how you feel about BC2 is totally opposite about how I feel about it, and it intrigues me.

 

[fix-the-spade]

What do you think about this?

For once, this has nothing to do with Call of Duty (in my opinion).

Bf2 had a very large set of Vietnam based mods, which Dice (unofficially) got behind.
BF: Vietnam was, well... y'know.
1942 had a Vietnam mod.

For Bad Company it was only a matter of time. That it's a monetized map pack is a bit of a shame, but I don't think it's cribbing of CoD. I expect it have at least one BF:V map in there.