"Be accepting of others views" doesn't apply to racism?

[iamthehorde]

your view on what you describe as "black urban culture" is a good example how a dislike of a form of culture, whether you consider this culture worth the term or not, gets projected on the ethnic group which the general public considers to have spawned it. while your post implies you do not hate/dislike black people because of their skin, your comment on "black urban culture" shows that, although you seem to have only a narrow view on it, you dislike it for the things you want it to do or not to do, you dislike it because of the pants and the gangster cliches and you conclude it with the admittance that all this bullshit causes make you intolerant and that it´s okay! what´s wrong with you? i reckon you only know shit about this thing you call "black urban culture", as all you wrote sounds to me like the typical perception of someone who zaps through mtv and takes the trash they send for granted. the media tries constantly to create public images like this because it helps them to segregate customergroups to make better advertisement for them so they are more easily convinced to buy shit. if you come up in a discussion like this and want to be taken earnest with your thoughtful comment maybe you should be able to state your opinion with more than the leftovers of corporate media image campaigns. if you articulate your opinion so strongly, i wonder why you seem to be so manipulable.

No, I avoid MTV. My experience with the baggy pants, doo-rags, gold jewelry, spinners and lack of using understandable english has to do with actually living near neighborhoods WITH those people. Did I say ALL black people, or even all black people living in cities exhibited this behavior? No, I used the euphimism "Black Urban Culture" to describe what it really is: Ghetto Niggas. And you know the ones I'm talking about. Or perhaps you don't. You seemed to be placing the stereotype's origin and spread in the hands of the media. It's not. Sure, these young men and women buy into the culture in part BECAUSE of how it is portrayed in the media, no argument there, but in the words of Chris Rock: "When I'm going to the money machine tonight, I'm not looking behind me for the media...I'm looking for niggas. Mike Wallace ain't never took shit from me. Niggas have!"

Me too.

i´m sorry you had these bad experiences. your view seems now more reasonable, although i still think that a doorag or some bling don´t automatically make you a g in a negative way. however, i have no time right now to delve deeper into it. i didn´t want to make the wrong assumptions about you and my replay may have been a bit harsh, as you have certainly another viewpoint on the whole thing. if you want we can talk it out another day, if not, it´s okay too.

peace

 

[DoctorObviously]

Here in Europa, 'free speech' is an abused phrase because -indeed- When people say they are open minded and don't try to force their opinions on others, this doesn't include racism.

 

[Bloodeye]

Personally the reason I don't accept as a legitimate view is because racism is inherently stupid. Its like if someone tried to convince me that the world is flat. Any view based on ignorance dosn't deserve to be accepted.

And you would be obligated to help them?

I could try and reason with them but to claim that I'm 'obligated to help them' would be a little condescending.

 

[spuddyt]

Racism involves a factual inaccuracy as far as I am concerned: that a black man is inherently bound to be less intelligent/stronger bodied/more animalistic than a white man, when statistcs show this simply is not the case.

But as an opinion, what gives a man less right to hold it rather then another one?

I don't respect anyone's opinion when they blindly state something that simply isn't true.
Therefore, if you are wrong, you have less right to an opinion - QED.

So, basically, if their opinion differs to yours, then they don't get the right to hold it. Correct?

I would prefer you didn't erect a straw man. If their opinion is in direct contradiction to scientifically established fact, their opinion lessens in weight. I respect a man's right to have the opinion "gravity doesn't exist and I can fly", but I will look down on said person for being an idiot.

 

[ThreeWords]

Since racism is making a round on the forums, I figure I may as well throw this in. When people say they are open minded and don't try to force their opinions on others, this usually doesn't include racism. If you went to work (or whatever your daily grind is) tomorrow and said openly that you hate black people and think they should be made into slaves, there wouldn't be a lot of people who would respond with "While I disagree with your opinion I respect it as your belief". Why is this not included?

Whahaha!

I love this sort of thing, and agree entirely. Racism, while wrong in my opinion, is an equally valid point of view. To suppress it is to try to force your mindset on another person, which is unacceptable. Of course, a rational argument against racism is fine, but you can't just condemn someone for their veiws, however wring they are in your opinion

You good sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

As are you yourself, for I'm only agreeing with you. I wish there were more people who shared this veiw.