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manic_depressive13 said:
Clearing the Eye said:
You didn't find the clip fascinating? :p
I suppose. Don't get me wrong, the self harm didn't bother me. It was the sexualisation of something I don't consider erotic that I found really awkward. I would have had the same reaction to someone making out with a tree.
I know a guy who's done that twice.

He's crazy.
 

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I still disagree, mainly because it would take more effort and willpower for the terrified skydiver to go through with the jump, and I would call the difference of fear levels between the two skydivers rationality, not bravery. I can kind of see where you're coming from, though.
A woman named Joanna Baillie is credited with this quote:

"The brave man is not he who feels no fear, For that were stupid and irrational; But he, whose noble soul its fear subdues, And bravely dares the danger nature shrinks from?

This is basically what I'm trying to say, thoughts?

EDIT: By the way Clearing the Eye, I'm sorry for derailing your thread in such a way. I'm as bad as Daystar...
The quote pretty much agrees with both of us as it says a brave person "dares the danger nature shrinks from". Thus, the potential for harm needs to exist before someone's actions can be considered brave, or else the very fact that they are afraid makes them kind of stupid. They need to subdue their fear and disregard their own wellbeing. Therefore, my initial statement stands.
I guess that's true, although it could be talking about the specific person's nature, ie. even though a moth isn't dangerous, it may be in an individuals nature to be afraid of it.
 

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theparsonski said:
I guess that's true, although it could be talking about the specific person's nature, ie. even though a moth isn't dangerous, it may be in an individuals nature to be afraid of it.
I don't think she would have used the word 'danger' if she didn't mean it. She could have said "and bravely faces that which nature shrinks from". However, she chose that word because she obviously feels there needs to be some risk to the self before an act can be considered brave.

I think we should just agree to disagree as from this point onward we would really just be arguing semantics.
 

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Binnsyboy said:
manic_depressive13 said:
Clearing the Eye said:
You didn't find the clip fascinating? :p
I suppose. Don't get me wrong, the self harm didn't bother me. It was the sexualisation of something I don't consider erotic that I found really awkward. I would have had the same reaction to someone making out with a tree.
I know a guy who's done that twice.

He's crazy.
I had to help paramedics get a dead hairy guy out of a tree once, we were pretty sure he REALLY liked trees. (He died of exposure it was late autumn)

While I can find a woman attractive who has scars, my wife has a thin 6 inch scar going down her left calf actually.
I don't think I would find them attractive BECAUSE of scars. The act of sado-masochism, which is what your protagonist in this story sounds like, is so bizarre and alien to me I could never wrap my head around how it even works.
 

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Lt._nefarious said:
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I not a judgemental person but WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS?! I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't get this one bit... How can you you find this kind of thing attractive? I'm genuinely curious as to what about self inflicted harm you find so... er... enticing... Help me out here...
I suppose it's the same thing that allows for coprophilia, macrophilia, etc...

ie. The human brain is weeeeeeeeeiiiiiiird.
Wait, wait, wait, the fuck is coprophilia and macrophilia? I have a feeling I should know this but I don't so would you kindly explain?

Or is it better I don't know?
I don't remember if it's Greek or Latin, but "philia" is "love", "macro" is "large" and "copro" is "feces".

You figure it out.
 

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Euuurueuueueuughghgh.

Cutting, slitting, mutiliation, slashing, stabbing... UGH *Shudders*

It really bothers me, like literally just thinking about it gives me the shivers.
Sorry about that :p

Relish in Chaos said:
Unless the fetish in question is actually harmful (which it doesn?t seem to be, as it?s not as if you have any desire to inflict pain on another woman), there?s no reason to think too much about it. I mean, many people find certain birthmarks on people to be pretty, because they just happen to embrace those ?imperfections? on a person that make them that little bit more unique or it?s just juxtaposed nicely to something else. I dunno, I?m no psychologist.

I watched the clip and...yeah, I guess you could say it was fascinating. I'm kind of intrigued to watch the whole film now.

At any rate, I?ve heard that many people self-harm because it gives them some kind of control over their own body/life that they don?t have elsewhere, and that it gives them relief (although not necessarily erotic, I don?t believe). Escapism, if you will. I just thought that was worth mentioning.
You should watch it if it's interesting to you. The film is one of those once in a life time experiences.

Necron_warrior said:
Not for me, I'm afraid.

I like the colour of blood, and its viscosity etc (Blood is fun)

But its irreplaceable mutilation that bothers me, like blood will replace, and bruises and wounds can heal, but eating your own fingers...well, that's a bit different.

Your arousal at something very destructive is...interesting. I'd like to examine you further, but I can't :/
Well I'd be happy to answer any questions your curiosity might wish to indulge.

JesterRaiin said:
Clearing the Eye said:
Anyone have any ideas? Thoughts? General comments? Heard of this sort of thing before? Share away!
If you have any spare time i'd like to encourage you to read "The Cipher" and "Skin" novels by Mrs. Kathe Koja.

I think you may find them interesting because of somewhat similar mood, atmosphere and theme. :]

OT : I guess pretty everyone has his or her own fetish. Some are more wild than another, still it's not something uncommon and unless we're dealing with some serious sick shit, there's really nothing to be either ashamed or proud of. Just yet another aspect of this weird thing we call "life". ;]
Thank you! I think I've heard of those books before. I'll give Google a look now ^^

Just_A_Glitch said:
This sounds like something I need to watch. I can't watch the clip at the moment (at work), but from the description, it sounds right up my alley.

And everyone has their fetishes OP. Your's really isn't all that uncommon or odd, to be honest. I know a few people who share the same interest (myself included, though I go beyond bruises and scars in the long run). I don't think its an inferiority complex or anything, but what do I know? I barely passed my advanced Psychology course xD
It's a fantastic film. Watch it when you get the chance!

Lt._nefarious said:
I not a judgemental person but WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS?! I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't get this one bit... How can you you find this kind of thing attractive? I'm genuinely curious as to what about self inflicted harm you find so... er... enticing... Help me out here...
It's something about the way the scars look, especially a centimeter or two below the wrist and on the thighs. I also like how varied they can be, with some wide and open, others thin and closed, long, short, red, dark, etc.

*shrug*

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Clearing the Eye said:
I just watched a movie I found while digging around through various film review sites, entitled In My Skin. That's the English translation, anyway. It's about a woman's changing views of her own body after she falls onto some metal, cutting and scarring her leg. The event triggers or awakens in her a strange sort of detachment from her body. She begins noticing a fascination forming with her flesh and form, the textures, tastes, scents and curves all intrigue her, as if her body is an object she's observing from the outside.

Over the course of the movie her mental state deteriorates and her interest turns into an obsession and an insatiable appetite to explore every inch of her skin. She begins cutting and tearing at her legs and arms in private, going so far as to taste and consume pieces she removes. She hides the scars from her boyfriend and fakes a car accident to conceal the truth when her latest exploration with a knife leaves her covered in blood and jagged gouges. She even begins to see limbs detached from her, like alien items that endlessly intrigue her. Through it all she feels no pain, only a lust and hunger. It's almost sexual in its driving urge and the release is intensely emotional, almost orgasmic for her.

Anyway, long story short, I found the film highly erotic. The actual mutilation wasn't the erotic part, mind. While that had its moments and she certainly committed a lot of lust to the role, it was the aftermath of the cutting and scratching I found so interesting. The way her legs and arms looked after attacking them just seemed... palpable. It's hard to describe. But the scars and blood made her look rather sexy. I've mentioned before in a comment or two that bruised legs (especially knees) and scarred arms on women are for some reason very pretty in my eyes, but this was the first time I was physically aroused by the site.

All of it has got me wondering - why? It's not sadist in nature and the act of inflicting pain isn't a turn on and neither is the actual self-harm. A little rough play and submissive bondage, the kind your average person with a bit of a kink would do for fun on a Friday night, sure. But actual harm, like spanking or S&M is about as unerotic to me as it gets. But why the bruises and scars? I've looked at it from different angles and the best answer I can come up with involves some form of inferiority complex. I mean, if someone feels weak or afraid of intimacy, what better way to overcome that than by sexualizing weakness or non-threatening partners. But that doesn't sound like me at all. Anyone that knows me would disagree with that notion.

Anyone have any ideas? Thoughts? General comments? Heard of this sort of thing before? Share away!

Here's a scene for those interested:

A Blunt response: Maybe you're just into Gore.

A Blunt question: Do you find amputees or certain physically handicapped people appealing in anyway or form?

My theory is that you might have an interest in Wounded individuals, specifically ones who don't take umbrage to it or may even embrace it. It might just be the physical presence of weakness, but maybe you also find underlining weakness endearing as well? Maybe a person with a traumatic past or some other form of emotional tragedy that affected them, is equally "palpable" to you?

How does that sound?

EDIT: I wouldn't dare to try and classify what this is in terms of psychological analyses as I'm not trained as such, but I like trying to deduce plausible reasons as to why people feel or act in a certain way...
I've looked into gore stuff and it does nothing at all for me. It can be interesting from a medical standpoint, but it's not sexual or arousing to me. Amputees do nothing, also. I'm ashamed to say, as I consider myself a very, very open minded pansexual, but amputees generally seem unattractive to me. Not ugly, mind. I think my brain map just finds a missing limb too alien and thus leaves me incapable of connecting, ya know?

People, especially women, with traumatic or emotional pasts do seem attractive to me, but it's less sexual. I seem drawn to them in a strange way. I was diagnosed with a lack of empathy a long, long time ago, but something about women with issues makes me want to "be with them." Just hugging them or being there for them, even though I feel no empathy or sympathy for them, seems to cause in me a strange feeling, not unlike sexual gratification. It's not pride or joy or anything you'd expect from being kind--I know what those emotions "look like." Something else.

Erana said:
If you're not into actually inflicting horrible mutilation upon others, I'm going to look at this in the most positive way possible and hope that there's some horribly maimed woman who you will be able to know on an intimate level and appreciate without her past tragedies holding your love back.

That being said, I now need brain bleach. Great.
Sorry to you, too :p
 

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Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

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Zack Alklazaris said:
Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

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I don't know if I like this aspect of myself I'm discovering. I don't think I'm a sadist, but it's all very... dark.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
I've looked into gore stuff and it does nothing at all for me. It can be interesting from a medical standpoint, but it's not sexual or arousing to me. Amputees do nothing, also. I'm ashamed to say, as I consider myself a very, very open minded pansexual, but amputees generally seem unattractive to me. Not ugly, mind. I think my brain map just finds a missing limb too alien and thus leaves me incapable of connecting, ya know?

People, especially women, with traumatic or emotional pasts do seem attractive to me, but it's less sexual. I seem drawn to them in a strange way. I was diagnosed with a lack of empathy a long, long time ago, but something about women with issues makes me want to "be with them." Just hugging them or being there for them, even though I feel no empathy or sympathy for them, seems to cause in me a strange feeling, not unlike sexual gratification. It's not pride or joy or anything you'd expect from being kind--I know what those emotions "look like." Something else.
That's nothing to be ashamed of; you can't help what you are and aren't attracted to, and it's fine as long as you're not inflicting unwanted harm, physical and/or mental, on someone. I mean, I'm predominantly heterosexual who has a preference for masculine/androgynous women, but that doesn't mean I feel guilty about not having any kind of sexual attraction to "vanilla" men.

And I strangely kind of envy your lack of empathy, no matter how stupid that may sound. I just think, for me, it'd make a lot of things in my life much easier. But maybe that's just idealistic, since it's probably hard.

Clearing the Eye said:
Zack Alklazaris said:
Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

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I don't know if I like this aspect of myself I'm discovering. I don't think I'm a sadist, but it's all very... dark.
BDSM in general is a pretty common fetish, even if it's just one part. It's better to know the "dark" aspects of yourself rather than keeping it suppressed like that.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
Zack Alklazaris said:
Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

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I don't know if I like this aspect of myself I'm discovering. I don't think I'm a sadist, but it's all very... dark.
All depends on how you use it. I am very much like you and was much worse as a teen when I was still discovering myself. Its not what you want its how you go around it.

I for example like forceful play, roleplaying rape, bondage, etc and so forth. My wife and I enjoy it and keep it healthy. Now if I one day go out and drag some girl into my car then its gone beyond whats acceptable.

Just play within the game and your fine.
 

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In all honesty I could not finish the clip...

OT: I can see how it can be viewed as erotic. Personally, I do not find it erotic, just sensually chilling, in a very well done way. While I admire the directing and acting skill within the clip itself, I couldn't finish it, due to my weak stomach... I think that as long as you don't do this to anyone, especially yourself, then you're safe for society... At least in an open-minded society...
 

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I'm attracted to girls who're not affraid to get bruised or scarred (rough play and such), but not the bruises and scarring itself.

still, food for thought, thanks for that.
 

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Meh, some people are into some weird stuff. The internet has made that abundantly clear. As far as I know there isn't always a reason for it, so as long as no-one's actually getting hurt I don't think you need to worry too much trying to figure out why this does it for you.

I have no desire to watch the clip as your description thoroughly convinced me that this isn't my thing :p

I can sort of see how it could be considered erotic though, what with the exploration of the body and all.

EDIT: while I do not find what you described erotic I do sort of fetishise needles. I don't use them in any sexual way, but I do get a kick out of injections, giving blood, that sort of thing. As a result I have developed a bit of a fascination with body modification, particularly piercings and tattoos. When I get something like that done I enjoy the small, controlled amount of pain and "damage," so maybe we're more on the same page than I initially thought. I have got piercings purely as stress relief before now.

Thing is, I used to be terrified of needles as a kid, so I think my current relationship with them may be some sort of over-reaction to trying to get over that fear. Could this have anything to do with your, ummm... interests?
 

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I've always known that people are into some weird fetishes and kinks, but that clip made me physically weak, UGH!! :(

But hey, if that kind of thing is out there I'm sure other people are just as into it!
 

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Relish in Chaos said:
Clearing the Eye said:
I've looked into gore stuff and it does nothing at all for me. It can be interesting from a medical standpoint, but it's not sexual or arousing to me. Amputees do nothing, also. I'm ashamed to say, as I consider myself a very, very open minded pansexual, but amputees generally seem unattractive to me. Not ugly, mind. I think my brain map just finds a missing limb too alien and thus leaves me incapable of connecting, ya know?

People, especially women, with traumatic or emotional pasts do seem attractive to me, but it's less sexual. I seem drawn to them in a strange way. I was diagnosed with a lack of empathy a long, long time ago, but something about women with issues makes me want to "be with them." Just hugging them or being there for them, even though I feel no empathy or sympathy for them, seems to cause in me a strange feeling, not unlike sexual gratification. It's not pride or joy or anything you'd expect from being kind--I know what those emotions "look like." Something else.
That's nothing to be ashamed of; you can't help what you are and aren't attracted to, and it's fine as long as you're not inflicting unwanted harm, physical and/or mental, on someone. I mean, I'm predominantly heterosexual who has a preference for masculine/androgynous women, but that doesn't mean I feel guilty about not having any kind of sexual attraction to "vanilla" men.

And I strangely kind of envy your lack of empathy, no matter how stupid that may sound. I just think, for me, it'd make a lot of things in my life much easier. But maybe that's just idealistic, since it's probably hard.

Clearing the Eye said:
Zack Alklazaris said:
Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

Submissive
I don't know if I like this aspect of myself I'm discovering. I don't think I'm a sadist, but it's all very... dark.
BDSM in general is a pretty common fetish, even if it's just one part. It's better to know the "dark" aspects of yourself rather than keeping it suppressed like that.
Thank you for the kind words and reassurance ^^

Zack Alklazaris said:
Clearing the Eye said:
Zack Alklazaris said:
Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

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I don't know if I like this aspect of myself I'm discovering. I don't think I'm a sadist, but it's all very... dark.
All depends on how you use it. I am very much like you and was much worse as a teen when I was still discovering myself. Its not what you want its how you go around it.

I for example like forceful play, roleplaying rape, bondage, etc and so forth. My wife and I enjoy it and keep it healthy. Now if I one day go out and drag some girl into my car then its gone beyond whats acceptable.

Just play within the game and your fine.
Yeah, you are right. I guess with me having trouble with empathy I tend to worry about doing something "wrong," because I can't really see that line. I might not be able to feel what others feel, but I still want to be a good person and such :)

Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I've always known that people are into some weird fetishes and kinks, but that clip made me physically weak, UGH!! :(

But hey, if that kind of thing is out there I'm sure other people are just as into it!
Sorry about that :p
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I've always known that people are into some weird fetishes and kinks, but that clip made me physically weak, UGH!! :(

But hey, if that kind of thing is out there I'm sure other people are just as into it!
Sorry about that :p
No it's cool.

Sometimes you just gotta learn about fetishes the hard way.
 

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I tend to have an odd reaction to wounds. It isn't arousal. It isn't disgust. Maybe a mild excitement? That feeling you got as a kid when you knew you'd been caught doing something you weren't supposed to.

That's my reaction to other people's wounds. Bruises raise questions (how'd that happen?) while scars seem like proof of a well lived life. I like such things because it tells me something about complete strangers that fashion and the way they carry themselves might not.

Now, when it comes to my own wounds I'd have to say that I have a very high tolerance for pain but I don't actually like receiving even minor injury. I don't really relate to people who find pain erotic in spite of the fact that it is relatively common.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
Zack Alklazaris said:
Clearing the Eye said:
Zack Alklazaris said:
Bruises, cuts, and scraps can make a person look helpless and innocent. Victim like. Which can play a major part in bondage and S&M. Both of which you know don't always have to be violent. However, someone curled up in the corner bruised and bleeding will give off the same impression as a person tied up on a bed.

Submissive
I don't know if I like this aspect of myself I'm discovering. I don't think I'm a sadist, but it's all very... dark.
All depends on how you use it. I am very much like you and was much worse as a teen when I was still discovering myself. Its not what you want its how you go around it.

I for example like forceful play, roleplaying rape, bondage, etc and so forth. My wife and I enjoy it and keep it healthy. Now if I one day go out and drag some girl into my car then its gone beyond whats acceptable.

Just play within the game and your fine.
Yeah, you are right. I guess with me having trouble with empathy I tend to worry about doing something "wrong," because I can't really see that line. I might not be able to feel what others feel, but I still want to be a good person and such :)
It can be, though if you haven't gone out of your way to torture animals and light things on fire your fine. We are remarkably similar I have aspergers and its extremely difficult to emphasize with people. I was lucky enough to find a woman that can help me with that.