Being a N00b, or using your head?

[Mcface]

Im asking the question, are being a n00b for using something that makes you stronger in a game?
I thought this while at my friends house, we were playing Gears 1 and my friend was commenting on how people were being noobs cus they double tapped, or if they used active reloads, and I thought how are you being a noob for using active reloads? Isn't active reloading a way to reward your timing?He also says you can spot out noobs because they all play as marcus, whats wrong with using marcus? I mean sure new players will probably use him because hes recognisable and sure maybe marcus is a boring character, but name one gears character who isn't
Marcus - Stereotypical Macho hero
Dominic - Spanish Stereotypical Macho Hero
Cole - Stereotypical Black Macho Hero
Carmine - Stereotypical Newfag
Baird - Asshole

DOnt get me wrong my friend is a great gears player i just dont get why he hates these things.
So i just wanna ask, are you being a noob if you do something that makes it a bit easier to kill or are you using you're Head?

It can still be considered Noob.
Noob means noobie, which means new (obviously)
Some weapons are used by these players because they take less skill to use.
Harder weapons that take more skill to use are better, but they require some skill. Guns (like the noob tubes) offer new players some easy quick kills, even on a skilled player because they have no way to ward it off. It's when you are no longer new to the game, but still use the noob weapons, is when you are considered a noob.

As for your friend, he seems retarded.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

I have to go with "anything designed to be there is there by design."

Arguments go around in circles about this, really.

Laying mines in high traffic areas, grenade launchers, rocket launchers, etc. have always been called cheap because they often insta-kill. (I have even heard the argument applied to shotguns but I digress.)

However, those who complain about these weapons ignore their obvious disadvantages. You cannot be stealthy when firing an explosive. You cannot be fast when you are firing a bazooka. If one cannot identify and take advantage of a "noob" build, then I propose that, perhaps, the person complaining is the noob.

I'd have to agree. But I stray away from anything considered 'n00by' because that way I can show that I do things through shear skill regardless of the equiptment I use.

Fair enough, however, there are some days that running around with an un-scoped Springfield just doesn't do it for me. Sometimes, I want to feel the joy of unloading lateral walls of pain upon enemy positions, employing no skill at all. An enemy throws a well placed grenade, I die, I smile knowing that hubris earned me that death, and I gleefully move on.

*shrug*

Even that shouldn't be classified as noob-like activity. I maintain that if you are playing a game, but not having fun... you are doing it wrong.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

Im asking the question, are being a n00b for using something that makes you stronger in a game?
I thought this while at my friends house, we were playing Gears 1 and my friend was commenting on how people were being noobs cus they double tapped, or if they used active reloads, and I thought how are you being a noob for using active reloads? Isn't active reloading a way to reward your timing?He also says you can spot out noobs because they all play as marcus, whats wrong with using marcus? I mean sure new players will probably use him because hes recognisable and sure maybe marcus is a boring character, but name one gears character who isn't
Marcus - Stereotypical Macho hero
Dominic - Spanish Stereotypical Macho Hero
Cole - Stereotypical Black Macho Hero
Carmine - Stereotypical Newfag
Baird - Asshole

DOnt get me wrong my friend is a great gears player i just dont get why he hates these things.
So i just wanna ask, are you being a noob if you do something that makes it a bit easier to kill or are you using you're Head?

It can still be considered Noob.
Noob means noobie, which means new (obviously)
Some weapons are used by these players because they take less skill to use.
Harder weapons that take more skill to use are better, but they require some skill. Guns (like the noob tubes) offer new players some easy quick kills, even on a skilled player because they have no way to ward it off. It's when you are no longer new to the game, but still use the noob weapons, is when you are considered a noob.

As for your friend, he seems retarded.

I must contest!

"newb" is the term for a player who is unskilled/unknowledgeable/poorly equipped due to their fresh status.

"noob" is a person who engages in bastardly activities.

 

[RoseBridge]

I do find it a little cheap when an advanced player destroys newer players with skills they don't know/ are barely able to use.
I mean, I understand if an advanced player was winning all the time, but being a jerk about it just kills the fun, and they should really be playing agianst gamers of their level if they aren't willing to be a good sport with a newb.

This is why I quit playing World of Warcraft. I made it to Ashenvale on a PvP server, and players who were higher levels than me kept killing me, waiting by my corpse for me to respawn, and then killing me again. They did this so much, it forced me to log off and wait until they left. It would be one thing if it only happened once, but it happened every friggin' time I logged on! Because of this, I canceled my WoW subscription.

So, the point is, you're right about advanced players being jerks. They should play with people at their own skill level rather than torture newer players.

but in wow there are PvE servers, so you dont get ganked, you know that right, and dont choose a PvP if your not ready for some"Player versus Player"!

anyway people always complain when they lose alot its natural, the problem is when you think that someone using the noob tube or akimbo fmj 87s is a badass killing machine, you can kill them they're not invincible! just get better and learn the weapons!

 

[EliteFreq]

I have to go with "anything designed to be there is there by design."

Arguments go around in circles about this, really.

Laying mines in high traffic areas, grenade launchers, rocket launchers, etc. have always been called cheap because they often insta-kill. (I have even heard the argument applied to shotguns but I digress.)

However, those who complain about these weapons ignore their obvious disadvantages. You cannot be stealthy when firing an explosive. You cannot be fast when you are firing a bazooka. If one cannot identify and take advantage of a "noob" build, then I propose that, perhaps, the person complaining is the noob.

I'd have to agree. But I stray away from anything considered 'n00by' because that way I can show that I do things through shear skill regardless of the equiptment I use.

Fair enough, however, there are some days that running around with an un-scoped Springfield just doesn't do it for me. Sometimes, I want to feel the joy of unloading lateral walls of pain upon enemy positions, employing no skill at all. An enemy throws a well placed grenade, I die, I smile knowing that hubris earned me that death, and I gleefully move on.

*shrug*

Even that shouldn't be classified as noob-like activity. I maintain that if you are playing a game, but not having fun... you are doing it wrong.

Sometimes I have those days where people must die, fuck their opinions, blood must be spilled. I'd never play a game for elitest means only ever for fun.


Actually I hate people who use their friends(as easy kills, to distract people) to help them win because it ends the match early when everyone was having a good match.

 

[Racecar1994]

I believe you are a noob if you use a broken mechanic (eg: chainsaw) to get kills on players because it secures a win, but i believe that this is common with games like gears and call of duty because:

a) The weapons used are meant for single-player, and haven't been revised for multiplayer purposes.

b) There is too much stuff in the game that certain combinations get overlooked, which also increases the likelihood of glitches.

..but even if you have a game with comepletely balanced weapons, maps, etc... people will almost always find ways to be cheap. Incidently, I would also like to say that the 'big fish in little pond' people are noobs aswell because it's not for any challenge then, it's just securing a win.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I do find it a little cheap when an advanced player destroys newer players with skills they don't know/ are barely able to use.
I mean, I understand if an advanced player was winning all the time, but being a jerk about it just kills the fun, and they should really be playing agianst gamers of their level if they aren't willing to be a good sport with a newb.

Gah I'm so in agreement, my best mate, hell, I've known him over 20 years now, he has NO clue about fair play. I remember way back he was setting up a server with 3 PCs at his house, he's hosting so he's into the match first, we're both waiting for downloads to creep thru.

Despite us never having played the game, and not being good at FPS games, and him being an expert, he still felt the need to run around, grab all the good weapons, and then set mines at every spawn point in the game, ensuring we all die in the first second and then repeatedly after because he has all the good equipment.

Another time, way back in Doom days, playing multiplayer, I realised I was sick of playing against him when it got to 63-0 in kills and he was STILL lurking around the spawn point waiting to shoot me the moment I appeared.

Personally I'm pretty good at Streetfighter II and the like, but if I find I'm getting a run of victories, I'll challenge myself, either choosing not to use special moves, of not using strong attacks, or all the kicks, to see if I can still win, and give them a chance, as I know it's no fun being repeatedly mashed into the ground by a better player.

I should state I don't mind losing, but there's something distinctly unpleasant about a player who takes pleasure in using unfair advantages to hammer home a huge chain of victories when they could easily win fairly.

As it is, I just don't play games against him, only co-op stuff. Not going to let one thing ruin a friendship

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

Yes you are a n00b for using the double tap. its pretty much an insta kill and if you can't kill with skill then u are therefor a n00b.

Active relodes arent cheap though, anyone can use them easily and its not an insta kill.

But pretty much, if you use a cheap move/tactic all the time then you are a n00b.

If you camp 100% of the time, your a n00b.

If all you use is the grenade launcher (CoD 4/MW2), then ur a n00b.

Sure there in the game to use but when you use it ALL the time then ur a n00b.

Everythings good in moderation.

 

[Duffy13]

If it's stupid, but it works, it isn't stupid.

As long as it's not cheating/glitch, it's not stupid. If it makes the game unplayable or horribly one sided, that's a design flaw not a player flaw. Stop playing if you don't enjoy it.

Imposing your own strange rule set on a game is a personal issue, not a competitive player issue. If you want to play a certain "way", stay out of public venues, don't complain about them.

 

[Seldon2639]

It depends. If it's well-known that something is a game-breaking glitch/bug/developer screw-up, then it's probably good form for everyone to be a gentleman and not do it. I mean, it's a cheap win at best, and outright bitchy at worst.

For the record:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameBreaker

 

[MurderousToaster]

I suppose the Active Reload was a bit O.P when it came to the Sniper in Gears 1, 1-shot downs ftl. But anyway, playing as Marcus doesn't make you a n00b. Sometimes it means you joined a game in progress which stops you from selecting your playermodel for yourself, or you just couldn't be arsed.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

I vote intelligence...

It is laughable the amount of people who complain cause you are playing a game as it is meant to be played or using tools and weapons the designers implanted.

Noobs complain.
Pros deal.
Vets overcome.

 

[ffxfriek]

If you're using a game mechanic that you're meant to use, that's being intelligent.

Taking my words right of my mouth.

ninjad twice...

 

[WINDOWCLEAN2]

Noobs: Use weapons in stupid scenarios and then they arn't there at a needed time (Thats why I hate small children on Halo 3)

Good players: Take advantage of the game mechanics to prvide a challenge (active reloads etc in GoW)

 

[Geekmaster K]

I do find it a little cheap when an advanced player destroys newer players with skills they don't know/ are barely able to use.
I mean, I understand if an advanced player was winning all the time, but being a jerk about it just kills the fun, and they should really be playing agianst gamers of their level if they aren't willing to be a good sport with a newb.

This is why I quit playing World of Warcraft. I made it to Ashenvale on a PvP server, and players who were higher levels than me kept killing me, waiting by my corpse for me to respawn, and then killing me again. They did this so much, it forced me to log off and wait until they left. It would be one thing if it only happened once, but it happened every friggin' time I logged on! Because of this, I canceled my WoW subscription.

So, the point is, you're right about advanced players being jerks. They should play with people at their own skill level rather than torture newer players.

but in wow there are PvE servers, so you dont get ganked, you know that right, and dont choose a PvP if your not ready for some"Player versus Player"!

anyway people always complain when they lose alot its natural, the problem is when you think that someone using the noob tube or akimbo fmj 87s is a badass killing machine, you can kill them they're not invincible! just get better and learn the weapons!

The reason I was playing on a PvP server is because a friend of mine in real life is on that server. I know about the PvE servers, but getting ganked was only one reason I quit WoW. The class I had picked from the beginning didn't really fit my play style, and I didn't realize this until level twenty-something. Since I really didn't know how to use the class, and because I didn't feel like leveling another character, I decided to quit. Being ganked several times contributed to it a lot, though.

Also, about getting better and learning the weapons. There are some games I have been able to do this with, such as Counter Strike: Source, but other games that I haven't been able to do it with, such as Halo 3. Part of this is that I've never been used to having shields in multiplayer games. You can lay a whole clip into someone and not kill them! That's why I prefer not to play Halo multiplayer with shields. I just started playing CoD4 for the first time today, and already, it reminds me of Counter Strike. I don't think I'll have a problem competing here, but I'll have to mute the douchebags.

By the way, if you've played CoD4: MW, is there a way to mute all players? I have the Xbox 360 version, just so you know. It's annoying trying to mute everyone individually.

 

[CloggedDonkey]

I just think your friend needs to toughen up a little and stop being an elitist. Honestly, I see nothing as being "N00B", and ho how I hate that word, not even the duel 1887's. I may use some cheap tactics (I use the grenade attachment and a famas, come on and bring the hate already). I use the grenade launcher as a last resort, like quite a lot of other people. But they're in there for a reason, and most of the time you get called a N00B if you're not exactly like the other guy(or 12 year old as the case may be), and if you're better than "U R A haxerozing N00B LOLZZZZZ!1 IL TEL THE MODDDERATERS ON UR ASSSSS!!!1112"

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

I suppose the Active Reload was a bit O.P when it came to the Sniper in Gears 1, 1-shot downs ftl. But anyway, playing as Marcus doesn't make you a n00b. Sometimes it means you joined a game in progress which stops you from selecting your playermodel for yourself, or you just couldn't be arsed.

Oh yeah thats why he hates active reloading, cus people down you and then start trying to "hump" your downed charcter

 

[chronobreak]

I hate the term in general. It's stupid. As gamers, we do ourselves a great disserve by dividing against each other over stupid shit. And that's why they are able to push us around - see Australia, for example. We're too busy fighting over who sucks and what console we use and what reviewer is the best that we can't unite over important things, or just have fun with one another.

You know, maybe it's just me, but I don't remember this shit with NES and Genesis. Everyone just played and was happy. Games were games, and there were so many of them, everyone was great at a certain one. You'd go to a friends house, own him at uniracers, then get owned in Mario Kart. It was after scores were relevant, and before k/d ratios. We played games to beat them, but now the games and developers are all playing us against us.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

I hate the term in general. It's stupid. As gamers, we do ourselves a great disserve by dividing against each other over stupid shit. And that's why they are able to push us around - see Australia, for example. We're too busy fighting over who sucks and what console we use and what reviewer is the best that we can't unite over important things, or just have fun with one another.

You know, maybe it's just me, but I don't remember this shit with NES and Genesis. Everyone just played and was happy. Games were games, and there were so many of them, everyone was great at a certain one. You'd go to a friends house, own him at uniracers, then get owned in Mario Kart. It was after scores were relevant, and before k/d ratios. We played games to beat them, but now the games and developers are all playing us against us.

THey are turning us against eachother so they can conquer the world! We'll all be too busy robbing stores or mugging people using skills we learnt from GTA and Call of Duty
Itold you no good would come from city folk and their violence simulators!

 

[TOGSolid]

Your friend is probably complaining about people who use active reloads because he can't do one himself.

Bingo. Welcome to the majority of complaints from morons online. "I can't do it, therefore it's cheap."