Besides your money Apple now wants your organs too

[Telefonegun]

In the United States and other countries, some people have religious reasons for this. Also, some people don't like the idea that they give blood/organs to hospitals for free and then the hospitals turn around and charge the patient a ridiculously high sum to have it implanted. Individuals can't sell their organs, they can only give them away for free but the hospital can profit a mint from these donations.

I didn't even think about the religious reasons for not wanting to be an organ donor, there are lot's of heavy hitting crazy people in the biblebelt of USA. Apple could possibly make a decision to add the organ donorship to the iPhone EULA so it will be even more easy to opt in. I can already see the lawyers rubbing their hands together.

I didn't realise that in USA hospitals can make profit with people's organs. And seeing how much USA has privately onwed hospitals makes me wonder if Apple is getting a cut from the profits. Also organs are very pricey and hospital bills are enermous in the states. I don't see that this possible flush of usable organs to the market is going to help the poor people in the states.

I'm not againts organ domoring per se, but I don't like the way Apple is making opting in it so super easy. There should be a professional help for people before making desicion like that and a real signature on paper (how easy is it for someone else to go push that button on your iPhone for a joke).

Personally I wouldn't want to give my liver after my tragic car accident to an old drunk, whos liver is now failing, I wouldn't want to give my lungs to a smoker who's lungs are now full of fluids and cancer. I would like to help someone who didn't ruin his health because stupidity. Since there is no control over with who you help with your healthy organs (atleast in my country) I will be never opting for organ donation.

 

[Erttheking]

People fear donating organs? What is this? 1931? The year Boris Karlov's Frankenstein was talking about the dangers of donating organs?

 

[hermes]

Beware !!! Beware !!!

A company wants to make a cumbersome process that help society easier! It should be cumbersome! It should be bureaucratic! It should be a pain!

Someone bring the pitchforks!

 

[Gorrath]

and if it's quite literally a popup box that you can unwittingly check then it's not okay.

In the United States and other countries, some people have religious reasons for this. Also, some people don't like the idea that they give blood/organs to hospitals for free and then the hospitals turn around and charge the patient a ridiculously high sum to have it implanted. Individuals can't sell their organs, they can only give them away for free but the hospital can profit a mint from these donations.

I didn't even think about the religious reasons for not wanting to be an organ donor, there are lot's of heavy hitting crazy people in the biblebelt of USA. Apple could possibly make a decision to add the organ donorship to the iPhone EULA so it will be even more easy to opt in. I can already see the lawyers rubbing their hands together.

I didn't realise that in USA hospitals can make profit with people's organs. And seeing how much USA has privately onwed hospitals makes me wonder if Apple is getting a cut from the profits. Also organs are very pricey and hospital bills are enermous in the states. I don't see that this possible flush of usable organs to the market is going to help the poor people in the states.

I'm not againts organ domoring per se, but I don't like the way Apple is making opting in it so super easy. There should be a professional help for people before making desicion like that and a real signature on paper (how easy is it for someone else to go push that button on your iPhone for a joke).

Personally I would't want to give my liver after my tragic car accident to a old drunk, whos liver is now failing, I wouldn't want to give my lungs to a smoker who's lungs are now full of fluids and cancer. Since there is no control over with who you help with your healthy organs (atleast in my country) I will be never opting for organ donation.

It's worth noting that in the U.S. there is a screening process for recipients of good organs. They will often deny people a transplant if the person killed their liver with drunkenness and show little to no sign of changing their behavior. Age plays a big factor, other health issues ect. There aren't enough organs to go around so they tend to pick people who are young/otherwise healthy/don't have abuse problems that caused/contributed to their health problems.

 

[Telefonegun]

It's worth noting that in the U.S. there is a screening process for recipients of good organs. They will often deny people a transplant if the person killed their liver with drunkenness and show little to no sign of changing their behavior. Age plays a big factor, other health issues ect. There aren't enough organs to go around so they tend to pick people who are young/otherwise healthy/don't have abuse problems that caused/contributed to their health problems.

That USA screening process makes sense to me. But there is no such thing in my country. Here they give new livers to old drunks if they stay live to that point of time where ever they are on the donation lists. So I will never opt in as an organ donor. Apple's ridiculous way to do the opt in for organ donation is illegal here. Here you have to talk to doctor before your decision.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

Been a bit since I renewed my driver's license, but wasn't becoming an organ donor as easy as checking a box on the form when renewing that? Hardly appreciably different to a check box in an app.

Here in the US that's at least the case, where organ donation is a check box on the DMV application form for ID/Learner's Permit/Driver's license. In some states you have to check the box to opt out instead of opt in.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

I think the problem is the ease, some people are just not comfortable with the idea of donating their organs and if it's quite literally a popup box that you can unwittingly check then it's not okay.

If you accidentally go to the health app and then accidentally register as an organ donor, 1- you can reverse it and 2- you have bigger problems, like learning how to use a phone.

In my experience my phone switches itself on accidently while it's in my pocket and dials or sends junk messages (dear god it's a shitty phone), plus a person might not be aware he signed until.... well, his family will know.

What kind of phone do you have even that such things ever happen? My 10 dollar ZTE Valet isn't even that bad.

 

[DefunctTheory]

People fear donating organs? What is this? 1931? The year Boris Karlov's Frankenstein was talking about the dangers of donating organs?

Yes, people fear it. I've heard several people who think that organ harvesting is done with the precision of a chain saw, and they don't do it because they want to be a pretty corpse. I've also known more then one person who thought that being an organ donor meant the doctors would be less invested in keeping them alive, and wouldn't try as hard to save them so that they could rip their liver out. I even knew one biker who speculated that the reason why bikers have a higher mortality rate then car drivers was because of a stigma against them, that meant doctors actively killed them for their giblets. Presumably he thought this because of the crass, but ultimately accurate 'Doctors call bikers donors' joke that everyone's heard.

It's all pretty sorry, and really, it must be terrible to live in a world where one thinks that's true.

 

[KissingSunlight]

What happens if someone hacks your phone and make you an organ donor against your will? No sir, I don't like it. There was nothing wrong with the current system in the U.S. with volunteering for being an organ donor. I can see a lot of abuse happening with this system. Honestly, you open yourself to a lot of abuses when you do anything online.

 

[K12]

What happens if someone hacks your phone and make you an organ donor against your will? No sir, I don't like it. There was nothing wrong with the current system in the U.S. with volunteering for being an organ donor. I can see a lot of abuse happening with this system. Honestly, you open yourself to a lot of abuses when you do anything online.

"Oh shit! Someone hacked my phone and changed my organ donation status rather than access my bank account or steal my identity or download compromising images or documents to blackmail me with. Now something worthwhile and potentially life-saving might happen to my organs after I die when I will have literally no awareness of it... unless I notice the change and then can very easily change it back to my pointlessly selfish prior decision! NOOOO!"

This is something that no human being will ever have a cause to say... unless they're reading this comment out loud for some reason I guess.

 

[Phasmal]

I think the problem is the ease, some people are just not comfortable with the idea of donating their organs and if it's quite literally a popup box that you can unwittingly check then it's not okay.

If you accidentally go to the health app and then accidentally register as an organ donor, 1- you can reverse it and 2- you have bigger problems, like learning how to use a phone.

In my experience my phone switches itself on accidently while it's in my pocket and dials or sends junk messages (dear god it's a shitty phone), plus a person might not be aware he signed until.... well, his family will know.

Well, this is why it's important you're aware of what you sign up to and your family is aware of your wishes for your body.
I dunno, I already am an organ donor so I don't really see the big deal. People are awfully touchy about their organs.

Personally, I always thought organ donation should be an opt-out system. It would save a lot of lives that way.

 

[Battenberg]

It's worth noting that in the U.S. there is a screening process for recipients of good organs. They will often deny people a transplant if the person killed their liver with drunkenness and show little to no sign of changing their behavior. Age plays a big factor, other health issues ect. There aren't enough organs to go around so they tend to pick people who are young/otherwise healthy/don't have abuse problems that caused/contributed to their health problems.

That USA screening process makes sense to me. But there is no such thing in my country. Here they give new livers to old drunks if they stay live to that point of time where ever they are on the donation lists. So I will never opt in as an organ donor. Apple's ridiculous way to do the opt in for organ donation is illegal here. Here you have to talk to doctor before your decision.

What country are you from which has those restrictions? Also 2 things strike me about this thread:
1) Suggesting Apple will be yanking organs out of living people (or receiving organs from deceased donors for themselves) is frankly insane.
2) Refusing to be a donor just in case an "old drunk" has their life extended by your organs seems spiteful and petty to a ridiculous degree, is that genuinely the only reason you're not a donor?

Outside of certain religious beliefs I personally don't see any reason to care what happens to your organs after you're dead; if a simple tick in a box means you can indirectly improve or even save another person's life without costing you a thing why not do it. Israel actually has a policy whereby registered donors actually get priority should they ever need an organ transplant themselves, I'd really like to see it implemented in more countries.

 

[McElroy]

Donating your organs if you die should be the default way to go. And here in Finland it has been so since 2010. You donate unless you were specifically against it when still alive. Probably the only donation my selfish ass is ever going to do.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

There's a fair degree of really absurd fear over organ donation.

Neither Apple, nor anyone else is going to trick you into becoming an organ donor so the can steal your organs.

They do that regardless of if you are a registered donor or not, everyone knows that. The space lizards aren't that pedantic.

I think the problem is the ease, some people are just not comfortable with the idea of donating their organs

Fuck those people.

and if it's quite literally a popup box that you can unwittingly check then it's not okay.

You're implying that we should keep the system obtuse so that idiots don't accidentally sign up for something which does not alter their lives in any way and actually helps society?

In the United States and other countries, some people have religious reasons for this.

Look, I'm for freedom of religion, until the point that those ideas start actively harming people. And by not donating organs after death, people are doing that. Besides, if your religion stops you from helping people after your death, it's time to find a new religion, because your current one sucks.

Also, some people don't like the idea that they give blood/organs to hospitals for free and then the hospitals turn around and charge the patient a ridiculously high sum to have it implanted.

But that's still stupid. Not only because there are also non-profit hospitals which also desperately need these organs, but by doing this, you're trying to make some anti-capitalist statement over the backs of those who desperately need your help.

 

[Gorrath]

There's a fair degree of really absurd fear over organ donation.

Neither Apple, nor anyone else is going to trick you into becoming an organ donor so the can steal your organs.

They do that regardless of if you are a registered donor or not, everyone knows that. The space lizards aren't that pedantic.

I think the problem is the ease, some people are just not comfortable with the idea of donating their organs

Fuck those people.

and if it's quite literally a popup box that you can unwittingly check then it's not okay.

You're implying that we should keep the system obtuse so that idiots don't accidentally sign up for something which does not alter their lives in any way and actually helps society?

In the United States and other countries, some people have religious reasons for this.

Look, I'm for freedom of religion, until the point that those ideas start actively harming people. And by not donating organs after death, people are doing that. Besides, if your religion stops you from helping people after your death, it's time to find a new religion, because your current one sucks.

Also, some people don't like the idea that they give blood/organs to hospitals for free and then the hospitals turn around and charge the patient a ridiculously high sum to have it implanted.

But that's still stupid. Not only because there are also non-profit hospitals which also desperately need these organs, but by doing this, you're trying to make some anti-capitalist statement over the backs of those who desperately need your help.

Right, but as I said, I'm not defending these positions, merely explaining why something that seems like a no-brainier causes some people to opt-out. The religious reasons are pretty self explanatory, and while I agree with you that they make no sense to a non-believer, I can see why someone who is a believer is making their choice. I don't agree with their choice, their philosophy or their religion and find all of it silly as hell but I'm not a religious person.

As for the other instance, it's not just a protest of capitalism, it's a protest of profiting off of someone else's charity. Check out blood brokerages to see why some people find it really egregious. It's not that they don't want people who need the organs to get them, it's that they want the profiteering to change. I am sort of in agreement with them, where if they aren't allowed to make any money from the donation the hospital shouldn't be able to either. I am personally for the idea that, should a hospital make a profit from your organs after death, they should have to share that profit with your family. I am still an organ donor, but I can see why the practices might drive some away, hoping to squeeze the industry into changing.

 

[Telefonegun]

What country are you from which has those restrictions? Also 2 things strike me about this thread:
1) Suggesting Apple will be yanking organs out of living people (or receiving organs from deceased donors for themselves) is frankly insane.
2) Refusing to be a donor just in case an "old drunk" has their life extended by your organs seems spiteful and petty to a ridiculous degree, is that genuinely the only reason you're not a donor?

1) That part was a joke. If you took it seriously thats is frankly insane.
2) I don't know if it just me, but I would rather donate my liver to a sick kid who never had a working liver than an old drunk who destroyed his on purpose.

 

[Qizx]

What happens if someone hacks your phone and make you an organ donor against your will? No sir, I don't like it. There was nothing wrong with the current system in the U.S. with volunteering for being an organ donor. I can see a lot of abuse happening with this system. Honestly, you open yourself to a lot of abuses when you do anything online.

"Oh shit! Someone hacked my phone and changed my organ donation status rather than access my bank account or steal my identity or download compromising images or documents to blackmail me with. Now something worthwhile and potentially life-saving might happen to my organs after I die when I will have literally no awareness of it... unless I notice the change and then can very easily change it back to my pointlessly selfish prior decision! NOOOO!"

This is something that no human being will ever have a cause to say... unless they're reading this comment out loud for some reason I guess.

Yeah this made me laugh. If someone hacks my phone, them changing my donor status is the LAST thing on my mind.

I think it should be easy to become a donor. It literally doesn't impact you AT ALL, even your family won't notice anything different in your casket.

 

[Battenberg]

What country are you from which has those restrictions? Also 2 things strike me about this thread:
1) Suggesting Apple will be yanking organs out of living people (or receiving organs from deceased donors for themselves) is frankly insane.
2) Refusing to be a donor just in case an "old drunk" has their life extended by your organs seems spiteful and petty to a ridiculous degree, is that genuinely the only reason you're not a donor?

1) That part was a joke. If you took it seriously thats is frankly insane.
2) I don't know if it just me, but I would rather donate my liver to a sick kid who never had a working liver than an old drunk who destroyed his on purpose.

Hard to tell it's a joke given you took the trouble to make a whole thread about it and your general tone. That second point really isn't a counterargument, if you're not registered the sick kid still doesn't get your liver.

Also you still haven't answered what country you are from that requires consulting a doctor before you can become a donor. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Telefonegun]

Hard to tell it's a joke given you took the trouble to make a whole thread about it and your general tone. That second point really isn't a counterargument, if you're not registered the sick kid still doesn't get your liver.

Also you still haven't answered what country you are from that requires consulting a doctor before you can become a donor. I'm genuinely curious.

Yes, I didn't think that my thread start would be so hard to comprehend fully. Often I don't remember that there are lots of people with poor media reading skills. Thats why I put the South Park (humancentipad) picture to show that my post was a bit on the humorous side. There are still facts there.. Apple is bringing the organ donoring to their Health App withing iOS 10 and it only applies within USA. And my opinion is that Apple is doing wrong there making it too easy.

I talked to a doctor when I withdrawed my organ donoring about 10 years ago and I talked to doctor when I opted in it more years ago. Since then the law has been apparently changed (I checked it) to that basically all are possible donors if they don't opt out. I opted out because there is no way to choose to what kind of people you possibly to give organs to and I don't want to help an old drunk because my good childhood friend was killed by an drunk driver.