"aim to make it ?really accessible?
Find it funny that this is akin to saying that you love to kill puppies in pc circles
Find it funny that this is akin to saying that you love to kill puppies in pc circles
well i could have phrased that better but the problems of poor graphics, controller lag and from personal experience that the majority of console gamers seem to be 5 years old should be reason enoughNinjamedic said:And why should it be dumbed down for consoles? May I ask?S3Cs4uN 8 said:well if that company can maintain their standards and not piss of their fans then im fine with them but as soon as this "really accessible" shit appears you loose all respect you ever gained why cant they do a BF3 Do it For PC then dumb it down for consoles
Graphical differences aren't that bad, the controls in BC:2 worked fine for me, but...... yeah, the 5-years are the reason I gave up on competitive multi.S3Cs4uN 8 said:well i could have phrased that better but the problems of poor graphics, controller lag and from personal experience that the majority of console gamers seem to be 5 years old should be reason enoughNinjamedic said:And why should it be dumbed down for consoles? May I ask?S3Cs4uN 8 said:well if that company can maintain their standards and not piss of their fans then im fine with them but as soon as this "really accessible" shit appears you loose all respect you ever gained why cant they do a BF3 Do it For PC then dumb it down for consoles
You make a pretty big assumption saying that the PC controls/ui are going to be bad just because they are made accessible enough for the console. In fact, it seems you take it for granted.Petromir said:No. The PC gaming should not be handed a broken game and told to finish porting it themselves. The existance of a MOD community should not be an escuse to not do something your game should include as standard. And a UI designed properly to work on each platform and to be suited to that platforms standard controls is a must.
While in many cases the PC version is still the best even on console led projects it doesnt mean that the PC version hasnt been limited by this. Nor should PC gamers themselves be made to fix the issues caused by such a decision.
The thing is Fable 3 wasn't accessible, going to the world was more complicated, took longer, and still felt like scrolling threw menus.Danceofmasks said:No, you're assuming you'll even get menus.drisky said:You just threw a made up word at me and gave me no examples, I have no idea how to respond to that. My point is that I knew where to find every thing on my pip boy and how to do each action pretty quickly. Shooting was clunky, but thats not really a problem of how the buttons work.Danceofmasks said:How about taking a look at Fable 3 for an extreme case of accessibilitis?drisky said:Oblivion and Fallout 3 weren't that hard to control or go though menus. I don't know how much more accessible it could get.
What's more accessible than a game that anyone can pick up and play, without ever having to mess with that complicated stuff like menus?
Fable 3.
It's not out of the question to think stuff like that might happen again .. after all, Final Fantasy is now linear.
So saying "console gamers are inapable of playing an in-depth RPG" is an informed opinion?Hammeroj said:I've made it my thing to not believe anything the developers say to their advantage ever. Starcraft 2 made me learn from that mistake the hard way.Ninjamedic said:snip
Now, onto your points. First, consoles are inferior and pointing it out is only bashing if you're biased towards them. Moot point.
Look at the console port of DA:O. Notice how they changed the stats on various items to make it easier to win fights and reduce the level of strategy needed. Justify that.Second, point to me where the limitations of the consoles are overplayed and the compromises in turn are being shown as worse than they actually are.
Not arguing with that, it's just with what I see being done with most PC games, beyond jacking up texture rendering and the screen resolution, I don't see any real difference when it comes to gameplay.More can be done with greater processing power and more RAM. The much lower processing power and RAM is the reason consoles stick to small-scale gameplay. You can do much more in terms of AI, environments and dynamic objects with the potential of PCs than that of consoles. If you don't know that, you don't know anything.
So you never play Platfromers, Driving or Fighting Games?On the point of controllers, I'm not sure you can even be serious. The console controller is inferior in every way when compared to the mouse&keyboard except that it has more than 8 movement directions (le-gasp).
Play FF:tactics please. You can be strategic in a console game.Imprecise and sloppy aiming, small amount of available actions to work with, and a really small potential for menu management is always something to be considered when developing for it.
Lets see, looking at my keyboard I see 8 buttons you would use for item macros, and fully 6 you would realistically use in combat. With a D-pad you can use it to map 8 items, with the bumpers for other items.Yes, it has the D-pad. The D-pad is also less functional and less convenient than the numbers you can find above QWERTY.
I guess games like dwarf fortress scared them away from PC gaming to which i say kudos to those games less bitchy ragetards on mw2 nowNinjamedic said:Graphical differences aren't that bad, the controls in BC:2 worked fine for me, but...... yeah, the 5-years are the reason I gave up on competitive multi.S3Cs4uN 8 said:well i could have phrased that better but the problems of poor graphics, controller lag and from personal experience that the majority of console gamers seem to be 5 years old should be reason enoughNinjamedic said:And why should it be dumbed down for consoles? May I ask?S3Cs4uN 8 said:well if that company can maintain their standards and not piss of their fans then im fine with them but as soon as this "really accessible" shit appears you loose all respect you ever gained why cant they do a BF3 Do it For PC then dumb it down for consoles