Bethesda: Consoles to be the lead platform for Skyrim, aim to make it ?really accessible?

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Luthir Fontaine

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"aim to make it ?really accessible?

Find it funny that this is akin to saying that you love to kill puppies in pc circles
 

almostgold

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Awesome! There is no way my PC could handle it, was gonna get it for the 360 anyway. Great to hear!
 

S3Cs4uN 8

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Ninjamedic said:
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well if that company can maintain their standards and not piss of their fans then im fine with them but as soon as this "really accessible" shit appears you loose all respect you ever gained why cant they do a BF3 Do it For PC then dumb it down for consoles
And why should it be dumbed down for consoles? May I ask?
well i could have phrased that better but the problems of poor graphics, controller lag and from personal experience that the majority of console gamers seem to be 5 years old should be reason enough
 

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Why couldn't they just develop a seperate UI for the PC to prevent the elitist bitching all the time? That way everybody wins, console gamers get a smooth running game, PC gamers get to have a game that isn't "dumbed down" and the forums don't get filled with the moans of the elitist community :D
 

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S3Cs4uN 8 said:
Ninjamedic said:
S3Cs4uN 8 said:
well if that company can maintain their standards and not piss of their fans then im fine with them but as soon as this "really accessible" shit appears you loose all respect you ever gained why cant they do a BF3 Do it For PC then dumb it down for consoles
And why should it be dumbed down for consoles? May I ask?
well i could have phrased that better but the problems of poor graphics, controller lag and from personal experience that the majority of console gamers seem to be 5 years old should be reason enough
Graphical differences aren't that bad, the controls in BC:2 worked fine for me, but...... yeah, the 5-years are the reason I gave up on competitive multi.
 

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No. The PC gaming should not be handed a broken game and told to finish porting it themselves. The existance of a MOD community should not be an escuse to not do something your game should include as standard. And a UI designed properly to work on each platform and to be suited to that platforms standard controls is a must.

While in many cases the PC version is still the best even on console led projects it doesnt mean that the PC version hasnt been limited by this. Nor should PC gamers themselves be made to fix the issues caused by such a decision.
You make a pretty big assumption saying that the PC controls/ui are going to be bad just because they are made accessible enough for the console. In fact, it seems you take it for granted.

Open up your TES inventory and you basically get slapped with a spreadsheet. This puts many people off. The series could use a revamping of the UI specially if it wants to cast a bigger net of players, such as those that are not hardcore RPG players.

Besides I own a good PC and an Xbox so f*ck yeah!
 

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OOO SHOCK !!!!!! Makes sense to me more money for most games of Consoles. Is this really one though ?

Whats the bet this just turns into another thread for Pc gamers to vent there anger on consoles though. If you don't like what they are doing with the game don't but It. It's not that hard now is It ?
 

Vhite

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If I would still have some faith in Bethesda, this is where I would lose it.
 

kortin

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I'm happy. I'm planning on doing most of my skyrim gaming on my ps3. Before you go and start flaming me for wanting to play it on the ps3, my computer cannot handle Skyrim at an acceptable level, so yeah.
 
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I've never seen a group of people act like such whiny brats in my life. You've already seen what the game will be like and the features it had and you all loved it, it was all developed with consoles being the main focus.

OT: This changes nothing for me. From what I've seen, Skyrim looks excellent and it was all done with whatever platform they had in mind, whether it had been PC or console.
 

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Danceofmasks said:
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Oblivion and Fallout 3 weren't that hard to control or go though menus. I don't know how much more accessible it could get.
How about taking a look at Fable 3 for an extreme case of accessibilitis?
You just threw a made up word at me and gave me no examples, I have no idea how to respond to that. My point is that I knew where to find every thing on my pip boy and how to do each action pretty quickly. Shooting was clunky, but thats not really a problem of how the buttons work.
No, you're assuming you'll even get menus.

What's more accessible than a game that anyone can pick up and play, without ever having to mess with that complicated stuff like menus?

Fable 3.

It's not out of the question to think stuff like that might happen again .. after all, Final Fantasy is now linear.
The thing is Fable 3 wasn't accessible, going to the world was more complicated, took longer, and still felt like scrolling threw menus.

We know that, and I think its unreasonable to think Bethesda doesn't.

People are looking in to this to much, its not like they are trying to make it as casual as Wii Sports or something. I'm not going to be paranoid over mystery features. I'm just going to take it as able to be played with the amount of buttons on a controller, and not throw around wild accusations over a single comment.
 

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Ugh... XBAWKSES n PISSINGS 3 r 4 nabs. HAIL DA PC SUPA RACE!

For the record, that's exactly what I think the majority of you sound like. Also, I will be getting this on PC for the mod support and somehow I imagine it won't impact my enjoyment of the game.

Maybe it's just me, but apparently I can't like Morrowind AND oblivion, so maybe I'm a freak.
 

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As long as they still have mods so I can fight He Man alongside Chuck Norris it shouldn't be a problem.


Edit: And as other have pointed why even bring it up? Game developers have to know by now that phrases like that do nothing but piss PC gamers off and potentially hurt sales.
 

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I'm a console gamer, I can't afford a gaming PC, I'd like to own one, but lack of funds has that decision made for me.
Now that article still makes me a little nervous, Bethesda is a developer that I have a lot of faith in, but when anybody talks about making a game 'more accessible' it never ends well. Especially when I can't actually see how they could simplify TES more than Oblivion without changing a lot of the core gameplay, Hopefully they'll take their own approach and make menus etc just more intuitive and easier to understand rather than simplifying the fuck out of it and ruining what the game was like (read: the lionhead approach to accessibility)

I mean at one point Bethesda said something about trying to make user mods available for console users so they can't be looking to make the game too simple.
 

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Geez, I feel pretty damn sorry for everyone now. I had such high hopes for this game! Fucking dumbing down games NEVER improves a game, usually it has too many negatives attached to it. I'd rather my games need some planning and forethought and understanding some of the stats. Don't simplify it for the lazy fucks that refuse to do it! D=<
 

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Hammeroj said:
Ninjamedic said:
I've made it my thing to not believe anything the developers say to their advantage ever. Starcraft 2 made me learn from that mistake the hard way.

Now, onto your points. First, consoles are inferior and pointing it out is only bashing if you're biased towards them. Moot point.
So saying "console gamers are inapable of playing an in-depth RPG" is an informed opinion?
Second, point to me where the limitations of the consoles are overplayed and the compromises in turn are being shown as worse than they actually are.
Look at the console port of DA:O. Notice how they changed the stats on various items to make it easier to win fights and reduce the level of strategy needed. Justify that.

More can be done with greater processing power and more RAM. The much lower processing power and RAM is the reason consoles stick to small-scale gameplay. You can do much more in terms of AI, environments and dynamic objects with the potential of PCs than that of consoles. If you don't know that, you don't know anything.
Not arguing with that, it's just with what I see being done with most PC games, beyond jacking up texture rendering and the screen resolution, I don't see any real difference when it comes to gameplay.

On the point of controllers, I'm not sure you can even be serious. The console controller is inferior in every way when compared to the mouse&keyboard except that it has more than 8 movement directions (le-gasp).
So you never play Platfromers, Driving or Fighting Games?
Imprecise and sloppy aiming, small amount of available actions to work with, and a really small potential for menu management is always something to be considered when developing for it.
Play FF:tactics please. You can be strategic in a console game.
Yes, it has the D-pad. The D-pad is also less functional and less convenient than the numbers you can find above QWERTY.
Lets see, looking at my keyboard I see 8 buttons you would use for item macros, and fully 6 you would realistically use in combat. With a D-pad you can use it to map 8 items, with the bumpers for other items.
 

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Who the fuck cares?! If the game runs and plays great regardless of the platform it was built on, it runs and plays great, regardless of the platform it was built on.

Jesus... people...
 

S3Cs4uN 8

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Ninjamedic said:
S3Cs4uN 8 said:
Ninjamedic said:
S3Cs4uN 8 said:
well if that company can maintain their standards and not piss of their fans then im fine with them but as soon as this "really accessible" shit appears you loose all respect you ever gained why cant they do a BF3 Do it For PC then dumb it down for consoles
And why should it be dumbed down for consoles? May I ask?
well i could have phrased that better but the problems of poor graphics, controller lag and from personal experience that the majority of console gamers seem to be 5 years old should be reason enough
Graphical differences aren't that bad, the controls in BC:2 worked fine for me, but...... yeah, the 5-years are the reason I gave up on competitive multi.
I guess games like dwarf fortress scared them away from PC gaming to which i say kudos to those games less bitchy ragetards on mw2 now