Betrayal and Halo 3

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Ultrajoe

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The dicks are just more noticeable by default on XBL

a little caution and a little sense and they're not a problem.
 
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thedoclc said:
What I've really, truly failed to understand is why female gamers get treated so poorly.
Ugh, yeah. I haven't experienced that much, but when I do I tend to leave the game. (Experienced second-hand, that is.) Same with overhearing gamers refer to people as "fags" - can't stand it.

I have been guilty of anti-prejudice recently. I was complaining to my friend about a young boy who was jabbering on constantly in the background of a game of Halo 3, until my friend pointed out it was a girl - another player had just called her "Susan". And I said "oh, if it's a girl that's ok." And then I realised I didn't know why it should be okay for a girl if it was so annoying coming from a young boy. Acknowledging it didn't change anything though: I was still happy to assume that the girl was saying things worth hearing, whereas the imaginary male tween would have been talking crap and needed to be euthanised.

Oh, and uhh, team killing sucks. Boo hiss.
 

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Betrayals are annoying, but then again Halo's online community is full of dicks.

I would often betray guests though, as people consistently bringing guests in would sometimes seperate me from my friends who I wanted to be on the same team as.
 

Conqueror Kenny

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When I play halo I am normally with my brother and we are both epic players (it's uncommon one of us wont get MVP) I have heard people screaming that a guest got MVP before but nothing worse. I dunno I don't seem to be betrayed that much on H3
But Gears is a different story If you turn FF on you get people that join just to team kill and whine when you kill them.
 

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thedoclc said:
Team killing so someone else can score the flag? Check.
Arbitrary team infighting where your own teammates decide they have to have a certain weapon and kill you to take it? Check.
Ranting, annoying little twits who can't play a game and speak civilly at once? Triple check.

I've noticed this and other kinds of immaturity on Live (actually on any online multiplayer, but especially on Live) enough to have a new personal rule. I will only game with someone I'd sit down and have a beer/wine/soda for the youngin's with.

It may sound horribly elitist, but I think I understand why the player base in Live can act so immature much of the time. Connecting into Live is so easy, any idiot can do it. The 'buy-in' cost of online gaming on XBox Live is virtually naught. This is true of all of the consoles, of course; I just bought my technophobic elderly mother a Wii with games and she figured out how to get it up and online with no help in no time flat. However, the 360 has the most machines in field at present, as well as a library of competitive shooters which appeal to twitching adolescents. If it were more difficult, well, less immature stupids would be doing it. Just as bad money drives out the good, bad behavior drives out respectful behavior. I'm convinced I'm not alone; mature players find others they like and keep it within their own circles, leaving others to deal with the screaming Halo kid.

What I've really, truly failed to understand is why female gamers get treated so poorly. Honestly, I just decided to filter down to people I like for gaming, but the player base seems misogynistic at best.
Definitely agreed on all the points you made. The unfortunate thing is that you can play 30 games with no incident, and when something like this happens, and it really sticks in your mind; not the great gameplay you had before then.

The female gamer thing is pretty rough, but you have a large number of young kids with no filter or consequences for acting like a tool. I think the only way to push change are to continue to report them for lewd behavior and not allow yourself to be baited. I think it's always going to be there in some form, but if you mute them and no one responds, a good number of them are bound to get bored and stop.
 

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Probably because all the Halo fan boys have realized how hopeless their cause is when compared to COD 4 (just check the ratings).
 

shatnershaman

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mapo11 said:
Probably because all the Halo fan boys have realized how hopeless their cause is when compared to COD 4 (just check the ratings).
I did there both a 94.
http://metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbox360/halo3
http://metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbox360/callofduty4modernwarfare
Oh no a tie! Repent! Repent!
 

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shatnershaman said:
mapo11 said:
Probably because all the Halo fan boys have realized how hopeless their cause is when compared to COD 4 (just check the ratings).
I did there both a 94.
http://metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbox360/halo3
http://metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbox360/callofduty4modernwarfare
Oh no a tie! Repent! Repent!
Actually, CoD4 wins because of a higher reader rating :p
 

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COD4 is multiplatform. Halo 3 is a big 360 exclusive. your going to get reviews like this on exclusives.

Neo Mr.smith gave it a 1:
shit it gets one pont for graphics no real story kille sevens story is easy to follow compered to this game play is ify super ify if online if you have a wii and are going to get a 360 just for this game dont get star fox assalt it has a real story et muti-player only prob no online but who cares its still better than halo3 also Sean D. you dont understand ow to rate some thing from your comment it sounds like a 7.5

L. G. gave it a0:
Wow, truly Halo 3 is a magnificent success for Microsoft (and marketing in general). I myself have been stung by the bizarrely high scores given to this title both by (supposedly impartial) professional critics and fans alike. Put simply, this game is not a good first person shooter and I cannot understand how it has even been considered as such, let alone the best fps ever! There is absolutely nothing extraordinary about this game: the graphics still fall behind the PC, the gameplay is decidedly sub-standard and even the story is lacklustre when compared to the likes of Half-Life 2. If you want to see what a truly great game is like play HL2:EP2, within 10 minutes you will realise why Halo 3 pales into insignificance.

Buddhika M. gave it a1:
Too focused on multiplayer.. Graphics look like Halo 2.5.. sound problems.. NPC's gets stuck and AI bugs.. Boring singleplayer, cannot compare to Halo 2. Biggest disappointment of my life..Getting rid of my 360 now.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/usercomments.jsp?id_string=6232:11s9Y0gOzqbtyC2Ix6U$eA**
 

Conqueror Kenny

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shatnershaman said:
there be alot of words here
Well alot of these people have seen the tiny nit-picks on the internet and blown them up 1000 times. Makes me think they have never played it. but can that be possible?!?
 

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I've been killed by a teammate on a flag run directly after i killed 7 or 8 people(not sure wether or not the last one survived the grenade or not, aleast he didn't shoot back) The idiot then fails to pick up the flag and lets the enemy get it. Then he starts bitching at ME that i suck. Halo 2 pc version.

I don't have an x360 and subsequently no halo 3 but i imagine the situation is exactly the same over there.
 

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thedoclc said:
It may sound horribly elitist, but I think I understand why the player base in Live can act so immature much of the time. Connecting into Live is so easy, any idiot can do it. The 'buy-in' cost of online gaming on XBox Live is virtually naught. This is true of all of the consoles, of course; I just bought my technophobic elderly mother a Wii with games and she figured out how to get it up and online with no help in no time flat. However, the 360 has the most machines in field at present, as well as a library of competitive shooters which appeal to twitching adolescents. If it were more difficult, well, less immature stupids would be doing it. Just as bad money drives out the good, bad behavior drives out respectful behavior. I'm convinced I'm not alone; mature players find others they like and keep it within their own circles, leaving others to deal with the screaming Halo kid.

What I've really, truly failed to understand is why female gamers get treated so poorly. Honestly, I just decided to filter down to people I like for gaming, but the player base seems misogynistic at best.
A agree with this. I was actually gonna start a topic on this sort of thing, but I got lazy. Plus I figured "meh, it's probably been done to death".

I really think it has a lot to do with the fact that nowadays, kids really don't appreciate what they got cause they never played the stuff that led up to it. I mean, I remember when I was a kid growing up playing the NES back when it was THE system to get. But back then, when my friends weren't around playing, I'd think "Man, how cool would it be to be able to play with people from their houses."

Then technology got better, we started being able to talk over computers more easily, we started finding games that we could play over the computers with each other, and even though there was no voice communication at the time, it was a good time.

So now that we've finally reached this place where you can just turn the console/PC on and "bang" you're connected to your friends just like that, I appreciate it, and thus don't treat it as an excuse to act like a douchebag to strangers. When I was invisioning it as a kid, I always imagined people meeting each other, having laughs, saying "hey good game", and talking tactics when playing as teams.

Unfortunately too many people use it just to satisfy their inner asshole and feed a part of their ego. They use it to display a racist or sexist side that they wouldn't show if you were in person. I too prefer to play with friends, or at least people who are generally having fun and joking around or whatever. You know, people with more humor and less pride.

I'm glad the technology's there now, but it sucks how a lot people choose to use it. But hey, that's humanity for ya.
 

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I've noticed that too. It doesn't happen often, but when I'm betrayed by a player - that is not a total accident (Me getting in the way of Rocket splash damage or grenade etc.) - it always seems to be jackoffsmate[1] or his mate that does it.

That been said, I was playing today and in 6 games, I betrayed over 18 people. Only one was meant because I was betrayed, myself, 5 times in a game (I let one slide because it was an accident, the same prick later on attacked me and I reacted) so I just reacted. Got kicked. With 3 kills left to get and we were well over 18 kills infront.
 

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As I said, I was convinced I'm not alone.

I'll always have fond memories of LAN Halo 1, but then, that was always with good buddies. Seriously, when the player base starts calling other players 'pussies' because they were beat in a virtual fight, it starts killing my mood. When they start being racist, homophobic, or putting down women, I suddenly have no desire to play the game. The atmosphere kills it. More than one of my female friends has said they don't play online just because of that. What a shame, intimidated out of a hobby because you're an XX and we XYs have to act like morons.

Anyway, the consoles are no more expensive today than they were in the 'good old games.' Controlling for inflation, the consoles and games of today are cheaper than the NES was. A $200 NES would retail for almost four bills, and the $250 Control Deck would cost today just under $500. Games were then $50 a pop: today, that would be almost a hundred each.

And, a question: would the Halo/CoD fanboys agree to settle the rivalry with paintball wars, last man standing wins?
 

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Yeah

Now that you mention it has happened to me when I've had friends on the same console playing online with me.

See, it would be no problem if multiple people could play online in Call of Duty 4 on the same console, since you can't team kill for all (or at least, most) multiplayer modes.
 

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I never snipe anymore, because I know that if I try, some idiot on my team will come and assassinate me.
 

Johnn Johnston

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The betrayal boot. How I love it so.

My sister, when she goes on Live, often gets booted for team killing because (no jokes) she forgets what team we are on.