Bi-sexuality.

[Something Amyss]

"I don't like bi's".

That seems to describe a lot of it. Though I think a fair amount is simple misunderstanding. Straights don't get gays. Nobody gets bis.

 

[AWAR]

Oh bisexuality, a sign of our times. It's pretty trendy to admit you are bisexual nowadays, even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that. I'm fairly sure 90% of those who claim to be bisexual in this forum have never had any kind of romantic relationship with a person of the same sex

 

[GrungyMunchy]

Are you still insisting that I might be gay and I just don't know it or don't wanna face it? Could you be any more of an idiot? What if I came to you and said "yeah, you think you're gay but really you are straight"? That would be pretty stupid wouldn't it? So why are you insisting on this?
Why exactly is your real life experience more valid than mine, you self-centered shithead? And why are you saying I don't know everything about myself, and then claim stuff about me when you don't even know me? I talked several times with my friends about this, who I know for more than a decade. And yet you come as a fucking pretentious moron and start making assumptions about my friends? Could you be anymore of a crying *****, with all your caps locks and your projections of your opinion? Seriously, get the fuck out. What an idiot.

See, I WASN'T insisting you were gay, but now? Based on the knuckle-dragging knee-jerk reaction you just gave? Yeah, yer a closet case, probably can see Narnia from where you're at. Say Hi to the White Witch for me, k?

Also: umad bro?

All I can say is, you have no idea how to troll on the internet, because you failed at the very beginning: you were the first to get worked up. So fuck off and lurk more.

Also: nice nerdy reference, you really are living up to the stereotype.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I've noticed something.

There have been several jerks who've said some very offensive things about bisexuals. No one has responded to these obvious trolls.

On the other hand, one bisexual poster said something offensive to straight people.

Now every other post is about THAT offesive comment. All the comments that were offensive to bisexuals have been ignored.

Why the double standard? Why aren't we telling off the idiots who are calling us names? And straight people, why can't you get over it? A bisexual thinks that everyone's bi. Shocking. Just like straight people want to think that everyone's straight. Or that gay people want to think that everyone is gay.


And, for the record, I'm bisexual. I have my own opinions about the rest of the population. Considering the argument currently in progress, I think I'll hold off on voicing that opinion at the moment.

 

[Thespian]

It was a great start, but that research doesn't begin and end with Kinsey. Much has been built on the foundation that he laid down. Also, there is a great deal of psychology that we still don't understand, and there are even those in the scientific community who question the validity of psychology as a 'science' at all.

The Kinsey Scale does not solve everything =/= The Kinsey Scale is wrong.

And yes, I know there are those who claim that Psychology is not a Science. However, a Science is something you can test and replicate, and form theories on based on the Scientific Method. Psychology does all of these things and frankly the only arguments I have seen against Psychology being a science is on par with angry villagers yelling "Witchcraft" whilst wielding their pitch forks threateningly.

Yes, there are many things we don't understand, yes the Kinsey scale was a rather revolutionary but still shortcoming chart. For example, it doesn't include those who have no sexual tendencies whatsoever, or less/more powerful urges. But that still doesn't mean it's "wrong" as you said.

 

[Baneat]

Forgive me for the double post, but that chart is so wrong, I don't even know where to start...

Outside of that, I agree with everything else you say.

It's so wrong it's one of the most respected Psychological advances of the 20th Century.

The Kinsey Scale is not without it's flaws (flaws namely being that it only goes horizontally, not vertically) but it is a highly effective representation of the various shades of human sexuality.

@ yog, start

@ thesp, vertical? clarify

Also, greedy, lol,

Only annoying thing is when a curious gets cold feet when you ask them to repay the favour.

 

[OverlordSteve]

even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that.

That's what bisexuality is. Is a heterosexual guy who's never had a girlfriend not straight?

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

I've noticed something.

There have been several jerks who've said some very offensive things about bisexuals. No one has responded to these obvious trolls.

That's kind of the point.

Don't feed the trolls, kids.

 

[wolfchylde]

-snip!-

Don't be **** bro, try some reading comprehension, it works wonders.

I might suggest you take some of your own advice. I've seen a couple of folks here now who have asserted that 100% gay/lesbian or straight people are in the minority, citing the Kinsey scale. I got curious about this, because it didn't sound right to me, so I followed this link that was posted earlier: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hhscale.html

(Emphasis added)

Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time. Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.
...
There is no 'test.' The scale is purely a method of self-evaluation based on your individual experience, and the rating you choose may change over time.

I believe this speaks for itself, unless your reading comprehension is poor.

I don't recall anywhere I used the Kinsey scale as anything more than a tool to put a 'reference point' to behaviors. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Kinsey's work is that people well, LIED about their sexual history (remember WHEN these studies were done mind you).

I will state again, that simply claiming to be 100% heterosexual does not make it so, any more than claiming to be 100% faithful or 100% honest does. Again, having observed years and years and years of supposedly "straight" men with wives and wedding rings and the whole shebang getting it on with other men when the wives weren't around; The "CLAIM" of 100% heterosexuality is a touch suspect. And people willfully ignore that 'dirty little secret' because it suits their worldview. The reports about men on the 'Down Low' can be eye opening, and I'm trying to think how many of my friends who are supposedly so 'straight' didn't fool around with someone of their own gender on a regular basis at varying points in their life... and that number is less than 1/4 of them.

 

[Nimcha]

-snip!-

Don't be **** bro, try some reading comprehension, it works wonders.

I might suggest you take some of your own advice. I've seen a couple of folks here now who have asserted that 100% gay/lesbian or straight people are in the minority, citing the Kinsey scale. I got curious about this, because it didn't sound right to me, so I followed this link that was posted earlier: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hhscale.html

(Emphasis added)

Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time. Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.
...
There is no 'test.' The scale is purely a method of self-evaluation based on your individual experience, and the rating you choose may change over time.

I believe this speaks for itself, unless your reading comprehension is poor.

I don't recall anywhere I used the Kinsey scale as anything more than a tool to put a 'reference point' to behaviors. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Kinsey's work is that people well, LIED about their sexual history (remember WHEN these studies were done mind you).

I will state again, that simply claiming to be 100% heterosexual does not make it so, any more than claiming to be 100% faithful or 100% honest does. Again, having observed years and years and years of supposedly "straight" men with wives and wedding rings and the whole shebang getting it on with other men when the wives weren't around; The "CLAIM" of 100% heterosexuality is a touch suspect. And people willfully ignore that 'dirty little secret' because it suits their worldview. The reports about men on the 'Down Low' can be eye opening, and I'm trying to think how many of my friends who are supposedly so 'straight' didn't fool around with someone of their own gender on a regular basis at varying points in their life... and that number is less than 1/4 of them.

Are you sure though you want to build your view on the rest of the world on these personal experiences?

 

[wolfchylde]

I have a problem with the statement "the Kinsey Scale is Wrong", especially as it's presented here:

I don't see percentages in that chart anywhere, so where is the 'wrong' part? It's a SCALE, which is used to measure levels of sexual behaviors, not a graph of them.

 

[HotFezz8]

Most people are at least a little bi. People who are 100% straight/gay are very, very rare.

people who are 100% straight are very common. but we call them "closet gays"

 

[Thespian]

@ thesp, vertical? clarify

"Thesp", eh? Ritzy.

But yes, it's important to note that all "zeroes" are not going to have the same sexual tendencies. They could have varying degrees of attraction to the opposite sex. So if you think of Horizontal as Category and Vertical as "severity" of sexual tendencies... You see, otherwise the Kinsey scale does not account for those who have no sexual urge whatsoever, experience sexual repression, et cetera...

I know one or two things there were phrased awfully, but I'm feverish right now and finding it hard to string sentences together. Apologies.

 

[Stoic raptor]

Well, I used to think I was slightly bisexual, veering mostly homosexual.
Then I found porn.

Now I am certain I am straight. Never thought of a guy like that every again. But the past still haunts me.

 

[AWAR]

even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that.

That's what bisexuality is. Is a heterosexual guy who's never had a girlfriend not straight?

That's bi-curiosity. Even if someone here identifies as a bisexual, I'm pretty sure he would hesitate to do so in real life.

 

[wolfchylde]

All I can say is, you have no idea how to troll on the internet, because you failed at the very beginning: you were the first to get worked up. So fuck off and lurk more.

Also: nice nerdy reference, you really are living up to the stereotype.

I'm not worked up at all, tho I freely admit it's kinda fun poking people like you with a stick, because you explode in a hail of obscenities and insults almost immediately. it's like a forum piñata. You're getting hilariously upset over something you REALLY shouldn't. I KNOW 100% straight guys, not a whole lot of them, but I know them, and they NEVER get this bent out of shape if someone calls their sexuality into question. They kinda *shrug* and go on about their business.

 

[Scarecrow]

With my Christian views, I tend to see bi-sexuality as a form of lust. This gets me into some pretty bad arguments that I usually end up walking away from before I rip the other person apart.

My problem with bi-sexuality is almost entirely about sex, though. I believe that it is possible, actually, I believe it's important to love people from both sexes. Not in a sexual kind of love, though. More of a "Man hath no greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends," kind. The mixing of the two types of love is what puts me off.

If anyone has any arguments or supplements for my views, I'd love to hear them.

'sigh'...people used to beat me up for being bi, and I would ask them why and they would say exactly what you just said...almost word for word.

 

[xdom125x]

Bisexuality exists and I accept that. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. It isn't bad or anything wrong (I guess)

An "Exclusively Heterosexual" individual is just as rare as an "exclusively homosexual" one.

Go Kinsey Scale.

A lot of people touting to be "strict straights" are actually 1s or 2s.

Being Bisexual (3) is just as valid as any other stance on sexual behaviour between X and Y genders (see wut I did thar?), as long as we're talking consensual adults I have nothing against it.

I'd probably fall at a 1 on there because I haven't met a man that I have had sexual attraction to while not completely eliminating the chance of it being possible.

 

[Baneat]

@ thesp, vertical? clarify

"Thesp", eh? Ritzy.

But yes, it's important to note that all "zeroes" are not going to have the same sexual tendencies. They could have varying degrees of attraction to the opposite sex. So if you think of Horizontal as Category and Vertical as "severity" of sexual tendencies... You see, otherwise the Kinsey scale does not account for those who have no sexual urge whatsoever, experience sexual repression, et cetera...

I know one or two things there were phrased awfully, but I'm feverish right now and finding it hard to string sentences together. Apologies.

I just genuinely wanted to know how you introduce a vertical component into that scale. and yeah, I like to abbreviate when I'm just trying to differentiate who the comment's for.

 

[wolfchylde]

Are you sure though you want to build your view on the rest of the world on these personal experiences?

If it were merely MY experience? No I wouldn't. But since the topic DOES come up amongst gay folk where we congregate (especially on the web), I find that my observations aren't unique by any stretch of the imagination. It's not an isolated viewpoint, and gay men from all over the planet pretty much report the same observations. Arguably it's easier to take away a 'men are dogs, period' conclusion away from it, but that's just an interpretation of the observations we've collected.

...and I realize that sounds like there's some vast global gay conspiracy out there, which perhaps isn't as far from the truth as one would suspect. :/ Suffice to say - word gets around