Biden clenches the nomination.

[fOx]

This isn't me challenging you, this is me sharing my point of view, the US allowed Trump to get elected once, and some consider it the kind of coincidence that will only happen once in a millennium, but if you elect him again? Then we're done, you've managed to dispel the notion that the US is reasonable, that there is method to the madness.

I'm not telling you how to vote, I'm just informing you that Biden is still running on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate, and that Trump is despised internationally.

I will vote for trump as many times as necessary until the center breaks, and we can finally usher in the end to capitalism, and the new communist era

 

[Worgen]

I will vote for trump as many times as necessary until the center breaks, and we can finally usher in the end to capitalism, and the new communist era

See, hes on the 30 year plan. Hes hoping that in 30 years the democrats will become more conservative so the republicans go from far right all the way to left and that they will suddenly become communist. I wouldn't expect you to understand it.

 

[Worgen]

I clicked on that link, and then did a Ctrl + F to search for "eyes", and I wasn't able to find anything, nor did I see anything about him suggesting that people "go into the sun" or suggest that people inject anything, anywhere.

Trump claims controversial comment about injecting disinfectants was ‘sarcastic’

Shes talking about this.

His pondering is 1:30 in. To make things worse, because hes the president, some people are already kinda taking him seriously.

Maryland emergency hotline receives more than 100 calls about disinfectant after Trump comments

The Maryland Emergency Management Agency warned residents not to inject or ingest disinfectant following President Trump’s comments regarding disinfectant and COVID-19 Thursday.

thehill.com

 

[Hawki]

Can't Trump get infected and drink the bleach himself? That might sort out a few problems...

 

[fOx]

See, hes on the 30 year plan. Hes hoping that in 30 years the democrats will become more conservative so the republicans go from far right all the way to left and that they will suddenly become communist. I wouldn't expect you to understand it.

A people that would select a Hillary or a Biden deserve a Trump

 

[Saelune]

I clicked on that link, and then did a Ctrl + F to search for "eyes", and I wasn't able to find anything, nor did I see anything about him suggesting that people "go into the sun" or suggest that people inject anything, anywhere.

So you just ignored the entire article, got it.

Trump has botched everything he's ever done, and the precedent is that he gets away with it.

Moving goal posts. You're not wrong, but that was not the point being discussed about precedents.

I mean Republicans are remarkably consistent in presidential elections. I doubt Trump will gain or lose that many votes this year. It's on the Democrats to pull in support, not banking on Trump losing support.

Its not about getting Trump voters to vote against Trump. It is about getting people who did not vote to realize it is actually important. I agree, I do not expect much shift in his total supporters. But I expect many do nothings to finally do something. Not ALL do nothings, but the ones who actually don't like the world burning down.

 

[Saelune]

I will vote for trump as many times as necessary until the center breaks, and we can finally usher in the end to capitalism, and the new communist era

You are a Trump supporter, never think otherwise.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Its not about getting Trump voters to vote against Trump. It is about getting people who did not vote to realize it is actually important. I agree, I do not expect much shift in his total supporters. But I expect many do nothings to finally do something. Not ALL do nothings, but the ones who actually don't like the world burning down.

The problem is is that the Democrats don't give a good reason to vote for them. Obama was the big tent pole that was supposed to show how strong the Democrat party is and why they should be trusted over Republicans, and he lost 4 million votes, 2 and a half states, and the house between 2008 and 2012.

For a lot of people voting Dem just means helping a different set of rich people than voting Republican.

 

[Saelune]

The problem is is that the Democrats don't give a good reason to vote for them. Obama was the big tent pole that was supposed to show how strong the Democrat party is and why they should be trusted over Republicans, and he lost 4 million votes, 2 and a half states, and the house between 2008 and 2012.

For a lot of people voting Dem just means helping a different set of rich people than voting Republican.

Those people are abundant in privilege and lacking in empathy.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Those people are abundant in privilege and lacking in empathy.

You can try to frame it like that if you want, but these are the people who were hurt by the Dems before. And as we've seen from the voting in the primaries, it's not the rich who are lining up behind Biden.

The Dems have proven themselves in the recent past as being not the friends of the poor or underprivileged, it's absolutely understandable in my eyes that they wouldn't want to support people who hate them.

 

[fOx]

You are a Trump supporter, never think otherwise.

Certainly. I look forward to November.

 

[Houseman]

So you just ignored the entire article, got it.

What I did was:
1) Opened the article
2) Pressed Ctrl + F
3) Searched for "eyes"
4) Found no results.
5) Read through the article myself to see if it was just stated a different way.
6) Found absolutely nothing about eye injections.

That's not "ignoring" the article.

I don't see anything about eyes, nor do I see him saying anything at all about sunlight.

So now that it's established that I didn't ignore the article, what was it that caused you to think that President Trump said anything about injecting anything into the eyes?
Here, use the official transcript and point it out, where anyone said anything about eyes, in any context.

 

[Elfgore]

For the accelerationist in the room, better not be a peep from ya'll if he wins again and things only continue to get unbelievably worse. It's literally the tactics actual honest Neo-Nazis use for their ethno-states. You're better than that and your dislike of capitalism has soiled any sense of empathy and solidarity towards those who actually run the risk of being put in danger because of it. This is why people don't like us. Way to willing to let the world destroy itself and people die just to prove a fucking point. Christ.

 

[fOx]

For the accelerationist in the room, better not be a peep from ya'll if he wins again and things only continue to get unbelievably worse. It's literally the tactics actual honest Neo-Nazis use for their ethno-states. You're better than that and your dislike of capitalism has soiled any sense of empathy and solidarity towards those who actually run the risk of being put in danger because of it. This is why people don't like us. Way to willing to let the world destroy itself and people die just to prove a fucking point. Christ.

Does capitalism not destroy the world, and people, every single day? I feel like the points raised in this chat come from a privileged world view. Those who empathize with the downtrodden would surely understand that the end of capitalism is the great outcome we should all strive to achieve.

 

[Worgen]

For the accelerationist in the room, better not be a peep from ya'll if he wins again and things only continue to get unbelievably worse. It's literally the tactics actual honest Neo-Nazis use for their ethno-states. You're better than that and your dislike of capitalism has soiled any sense of empathy and solidarity towards those who actually run the risk of being put in danger because of it. This is why people don't like us. Way to willing to let the world destroy itself and people die just to prove a fucking point. Christ.

No, don't you see, they want to give the nazis everything they want then that will mean everyone else will be forced to become communists, just like after ww2... except we have to go harder, we need to give them their 1000 year reign, thats the only way we can make things better. THE ONLY WAY. We have to give up, surrender is very important.

Does capitalism not destroy the world, and people, every single day? I feel like the points raised in this chat come from a privileged world view. Those who empathize with the downtrodden would surely understand that the end of capitalism is the great outcome we should all strive to achieve.

We just have to wait till almost every living thing is dead then they will be sure to accept the communist way. Its so brilliant, we just have to surrender, that always works. Give up for the future, what a fantastic message for the kiddies. Dude, we should all start stabbing ourselves, that will be sure to get us universal health care, they will have no choice.

 

[SupahEwok]

For the accelerationist in the room, better not be a peep from ya'll if he wins again and things only continue to get unbelievably worse. It's literally the tactics actual honest Neo-Nazis use for their ethno-states. You're better than that and your dislike of capitalism has soiled any sense of empathy and solidarity towards those who actually run the risk of being put in danger because of it. This is why people don't like us. Way to willing to let the world destroy itself and people die just to prove a fucking point. Christ.

In my darkest moments, I agree with the accelerationists. Even during most of the time when I don't believe society must collapse, I think there's some hard truths to face. To wit: the truth of the matter is that your party is a joke. The Democrats are corrupt enough for anybody with money to buy them. That's a fact. It is a party of monied interests, not of the people. And frankly, identity politics are a baby pacifier to keep Democrat supporters placated enough to swallow their shitshow of the party.

Here's something that's gonna make folks mad at me: as long as Democrats are able to sell minorities and the LGBT that certain special interests of theirs are more important than economic and social reform, they'll maintain their power base. That's the reason they're pandered to. That's the reason that gays can marry now, but don't have universal healthcare. Why you can fight for a preferred bathroom, yet still work for below a liveable wage. The truth is that Democrat powerbrokers will give those special interests just enough icing to keep them voting, yet keep the cake to themselves so they and their corporate friends can keep ransacking the middle class.

Trump is grossly incompetent and his administration is a shambles. He's abused executive privileges. Know what he hasn't done, even with a lot of Congress in his pocket? He hasn't made any significant progress in rolling back civil rights. He made a lot of bluster about his racist travel ban, the wall, and he's rolled back on protections for illegal immigrants, but he has not, fundamentally, damaged democracy, unlike what most people in this thread and liberals at large believe. Nothing he has done cannot be fixed by a future administration with a mind towards reform and bureaucracy building.

What cannot (or will not) be fixed is the systematic corruption at the center of both of the parties. Liberals have to quit blaming Republicans as if there's nothing wrong in their camp. Both parties up to the highest office can be bought. If you want a difference, the parties have to be destroyed and replaced, with new fundamental values. It's happened before, it can happen again. Trump is being painted as the biggest boogeyman in American history so that liberals don't destroy their own party and rebuild, because "at least it isn't Trump, so we're the good guys." They need to quit accepting that. They need to quit accepting "at least."

Yes, transition is going to hurt. Surgery without anesthetic does hurt. The alternative is to continue rotting. At our current rate of rot, by the time any of these young up-and-comer progressives get any substantial power to make reform, the country will be in an irrecoverable state, and perhaps the world as well.

 

[Elfgore]

Does capitalism not destroy the world, and people, every single day? I feel like the points raised in this chat come from a privileged world view. Those who empathize with the downtrodden would surely understand that the end of capitalism is the great outcome we should all strive to achieve.

It completely does. The solution though isn't to throw more bodies on that mound for a CHANCE of it going away. To throw the privilege back at ya', chances are, neither of us two will have to deal with the worst of what may come. I'm going to use my privilege to try and stop it.

snip

Chances are the use of "your" was a broad term, but to just make things clear. I'm a democrat on my voting ballad in name only due to the two party system and I acknowledge how our system currently works, no matter how much I despise it.

I won't disagree with anything you've critiqued the democratic party on and think most come from a valid place. I also won't act like I haven't fallen to thinking like accelerationists either. When I hear how yet again the lower class is getting stepped on by corporations, I get angry. I still can't think of Standing Rock without my blood boiling. There are times when I lie in bed at night and I do not think nice things. Tell me though, how does one abolish these parties? Revolution? Pft, It would be lucky if a million people rose up only to instantly get crushed under the heel of the military and police. I really (X3) don't think people are considering just how much socialism has been boogeymaned by the U.S. since the 40s and it is way further than Trump ever has. An inherit hatred and distrust of anything being marked as socialist is rampant in this country. It's why republicans use it to pretty much abolish anything progressive.

Let me just state my point loud and clear. By the time I die, 2080s if I live as long as my grandparents, there will not be a socialist revolution in the United States. It will not happen. Period. It doesn't matter how bad things get. The world could be on fire, there could be people starving in the streets. It. Will. Not. Happen. Might happen elsewhere, but not in the United States. Who have a lovely habit too of squashing those pesky revolutions too so profits stay strong, so I honestly don't expect much to happen.

I wish I had a solution. I genuinely do.... but I don't.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

It completely does. The solution though isn't to throw more bodies on that mound for a CHANCE of it going away. To throw the privilege back at ya', chances are, neither of us two will have to deal with the worst of what may come. I'm going to use my privilege to try and stop it.

Chances are the use of "your" was a broad term, but to just make things clear. I'm a democrat on my voting ballad in name only due to the two party system and I acknowledge how our system currently works, no matter how much I despise it.

I won't disagree with anything you've critiqued the democratic party on and think most come from a valid place. I also won't act like I haven't fallen to thinking like accelerationists either. When I hear how yet again the lower class is getting stepped on by corporations, I get angry. I still can't think of Standing Rock without my blood boiling. There are times when I lie in bed at night and I do not think nice things. Tell me though, how does one abolish these parties? Revolution? Pft, It would be lucky if a million people rose up only to instantly get crushed under the heel of the military and police. I really (X3) don't think people are considering just how much socialism has been boogeymaned by the U.S. since the 40s and it is way further than Trump ever has. An inherit hatred and distrust of anything being marked as socialist is rampant in this country. It's why republicans use it to pretty much abolish anything progressive.

Let me just state my point loud and clear. By the time I die, 2080s if I live as long as my grandparents, there will not be a socialist revolution in the United States. It will not happen. Period. It doesn't matter how bad things get. The world could be on fire, there could be people starving in the streets. It. Will. Not. Happen. Might happen elsewhere, but not in the United States. Who have a lovely habit too of squashing those pesky revolutions too so profits stay strong, so I honestly don't expect much to happen.

I wish I had a solution. I genuinely do.... but I don't.

I think there's an overstatement about how bad socialism is looked upon in the US. For sure, the older generations largely have bad knee-jerk reactions to it, as well as anybody on television who's paid to tell people what your opinions are, but the word is rapidly losing it's stigma, especially now in the face of blatantly socialist programs saving people from economic hardship.

 

[Elfgore]

I think there's an overstatement about how bad socialism is looked upon in the US. For sure, the older generations largely have bad knee-jerk reactions to it, as well as anybody on television who's paid to tell people what your opinions are, but the word is rapidly losing it's stigma, especially now in the face of blatantly socialist programs saving people from economic hardship.

*looks at Bernie getting demolished in the primary*

No... No it's not. I looked at my two closest DSA group's Facebook pages, one of which is the capital of my State. 2k followers in one of the ten largest States. Obviously not solid facts, but I feel like this is a trend. Also, most the pictures are of people easily over 50 so..... Neglecting the horrific press Venezuela and China have received under the label of socialism is also a bad move.

 

[Worgen]

I won't disagree with anything you've critiqued the democratic party on and think most come from a valid place. I also won't act like I haven't fallen to thinking like accelerationists either. When I hear how yet again the lower class is getting stepped on by corporations, I get angry. I still can't think of Standing Rock without my blood boiling. There are times when I lie in bed at night and I do not think nice things. Tell me though, how does one abolish these parties? Revolution? Pft, It would be lucky if a million people rose up only to instantly get crushed under the heel of the military and police. I really (X3) don't think people are considering just how much socialism has been boogeymaned by the U.S. since the 40s and it is way further than Trump ever has. An inherit hatred and distrust of anything being marked as socialist is rampant in this country. It's why republicans use it to pretty much abolish anything progressive.

The thing that all the accelerationists seem to forget is that even if things get really bad, there are other parties looking forward to the fall. They are well armed and sure it is coming soon, we saw it with the Oklahoma city bombing, that guy was sure that as soon as he bombed the federal building all the militia groups would get together and overthrow the government. Obviously he was wrong but there are a lot of those guys and they are very motivated and very armed and very larpy too.