I honestly can't believe I forgot that. We have right-wing people posting constantly about how much they're looking forward to a civil war and to put some bullets in democrats. They sure as shit won't be helping the left's side.
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Seriously, everyone wants a revolution but everyone forgets about the other sides and just assumes the revolution will favor them. I mean even in situations where there is a common enemy like the nazis you still end up with the different sides fighting each other almost more then the invaders as we saw in ww2 with good portions of the French resistance, it wasn't a single movement, it was a bunch of small movements and a lot of them hated each other almost as much as the nazies.
Look, I get that this website as a whole, and you in particular, tend to steer slightly to moderately right wing, so I'm the odd one out. But supporting a broken healthcare system and destructive education environment is really hurting this country. I think most people in your position live a very privileged upbringing, and are unable to see that. But the right wing politics biden represents are dangerous. The status quo can't be allowed to continue forever. My hope is that people wake up to this.
We could further debate the wall within the party itself Bernie had to try and surmount, but I think I would counter with,*looks at Bernie getting demolished in the primary*
No... No it's not. I looked at my two closest DSA group's Facebook pages, one of which is the capital of my State. 2k followers in one of the ten largest States. Obviously not solid facts, but I feel like this is a trend. Also, most the pictures are of people easily over 50 so..... Neglecting the horrific press Venezuela and China have received under the label of socialism is also a bad move.
Looks at how hard the establishment tried to stop Bernie
It's a very clear reading of the tea leaves that Socialism is on the up.
Is... is this real? You're claiming others are right wing while voting for a very far-right president? You're claiming others are ignoring their privilege while being A-OK with children being put in cages, police officers getting away with murder, soldiers committing war crimes, and wardens who treat their inmates like slaves getting off the hook? No, mate. I think it's you not seeing your privilege.
Not at all. I'm an accelerationist. I'm hoping that trump will push people to adopt more left leaning positions. I'm not unreasonable. I'm willing to to accept a moderate like Bernie sanders. But someone like Biden is not acceptable.
I have some bad news for you. The world is ending. We're burning up. You may be okay with things staying the same until 2080, but the world will not survive it. We need to vote in communism as soon as possible.
Cool! Membership went up from ten people to thirty people! Only fifty years to go before we might hit a thousand! Even if it's a million people, it's a drop in the ocean of a country with over 300 million people. I'm highly doubting this is the tsunami you think it is.
I think your stolid insistence on sticking with war profiteers, child murderers, rapists, and kleptocrats are going to make you look like a dinosaur in under the 60 year time frame you laid out. Snide smug dismissals are the encroaching death of the Democrat party as it currently stands.
I won't pretend to know you, because I don't. So pardon when I ask, why are you here on a video game forum? Shouldn't you be exclusively on websites where you're trying to recruit people to the cause? Are you going out and spreading the word of communism? If you want communism to happen this quickly, it's gotta be an armed revolution. Do you have weapons and ammo ready? Are you trained in them? Are you training others in them? It sounds like you're all for the greater good, which means you should have zero breaks in this time of true emergency. What will we do with people who aren't willing to change? Bringing back the Gulag and killing more people?
Or... are you just gonna vote Trump in November and hope the rest sorts itself out? Because that sounds like leaving a lot to chance for something so crucial.
I'm an accelerationist, but philosophically I'm a pacifist. What I want is a kind of mass, non violent revolution. The only entity that should have access to violence is a kind of communal government body. Never the individual. I'm certainly not calling for gulags. This sounds like right wing red scare propaganda.
In any case, I'm not sure why you assume I'm not politically active. Just because I'm politically active doesn't mean I don't have hobbies and interests outside of the political sphere. I like to read poetry. I like to garden. I like to play D&D. And yes, I like video games and movies.
Good! I legit can't wait for the day when my current stance on everything is considered outdated, racist, homophobic, etc. That means the overall trends of society have gone further left, as it should. My only hope is that I can change with it. That's not a joke or sarcasm either. I genuinely am looking forward to it. I do love that jab though, about the rapists and child murders. I wish my options weren't the lesser of two evils, but that's what it is. I can only vote for what at this time I see as the best way forward. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. I'm not all-knowing and I'd have no hard feelings towards anyone who criticizes me for it when I'm a dinosaur.
My dismissal is based on there being no backing for your stance, but I'll drop the smugness because it is dickish. I need to know what you're basing this upcoming rise of socialism on. "They wanted to stop Bernie, so therefore, he was a threat" is the big one. Please, tell me how they did that this time? No disagreements they did it in 2016, but I can't seem to find anything now on it. He had fewer votes in States he did really well in last year. If communism is on the rise, why aren't these people voting? Why isn't he winning?
Sorry to interrupt the intellectual circlejerk, and I understand that your interactions with leftists are at best limited to Twitter rambling and forum posts and thus your perception is colored, but as someone who has been part of actual movements and has participated in political struggles outside of merely voting once every four years for a longer time than most of you have been adults, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Revolution as a political force is a last resort. Most leftist movements engage on day to day struggles and problem solving while trying to build self-sustaining mutual aid communities to help the most vulnerable and empower them, and to grow those communities as much as possible. No one knows better the unapproability and grimness of a revolution than those that engage in the actual politics of it. Seriously, the first thing people who join leftist movements learn is to get the revolutionary boner down and that we're here to focus on making lives more bearable first and foremost.
And, honestly, you have to be pretty damn conceited to believe leftists don't know there are right wing extremists ready to jump at the chance. You sound like you have never been to a counter demonstration, or know what groups organize such counter demonstrations, and what people attend such counter demonstrations, while others sit back and act like keyboard warriors who know better.
I'm not gonna continue this discussion because it deviates from the thread topic, but please, check yourselves. This is embarrassing.
Though non-violent revolutions/protests don't have a good track record, I do admire your preference for it. Marx was right about the whole shackles thing, downside is it requires a lot of people to do it. The use of Gulags was mostly a joke, but people who don't agree or want to follow your ideals will exist. How will this society handle them?
My issue is, as I get from your posts, you're of the mindset time is short. Shouldn't you be focusing all of your available effort on this? You're a person and obviously have wants, but with such a strict timeline, should those not take a back seat?
Well this year was heavily disrupted by COVID of course, and that in and of itself is nobody's (at least no one relevant) fault. However only one of the two candidates asked people to go out and vote during a pandemic, we'll see how that turns out during the general election.
From the start there were actual institutional falsified voting records against Bernie and when the Democrats were called out on this they refused to fix the errors.
Good ol' voter suppression tactics that not only hit Democrats harder than Republicans, but Sanders supporters harder than centrist candidates. Thus centrist sources aren't as stiff against voter suppression during a primary as they should. It should also be noted that Democrats apply their own voter suppression to keep poor people poor, though admittedly that's tangential here. Just a fun fact.
Of course the last debate was cancelled. I don't know if that's a step up or a step down from the blatantly anti-Sanders collusion of 2016, but it's pretty clear the more exposure Biden gets on camera, the worse he looks.
And of course, since Obama and Hillary gutted the party to ensure their loyalty to the central party, Obama uniting the entire party against Bernie in the back made sure that Bernie would only ever be viewed negatively by the media arm of the party, culminating in Sanders and his supporters being compared to Nazis (despite being the member of a family of holocaust survivors) and saying that his victory will result in public street executions.
So the well is poisoned against Sanders as hard as it can be. Of course the Republicans don't like him, but that's because he doesn't have an R next to his name. But the Dem machinery has manufactured him as unlikable. And while he did rack up quite a lot of delegates, enough that he could technically (though basically would never outside of Biden dropping out) win,
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They're going to take away the delegates Sanders won so he has no say during the convention. I only found out about this now and I'm all the more resolved to not vote for Biden. Fuck these people, they can die in a fire. This is how hard they want to fight progress, they are clearly never going to do anything for you or me.
That is you literally describing yourself ignoring the REST OF THE DAMN ARTICLE ABOUT HIM SAYING TO DO STUPID SHIT! Eyes, not eyes, THAT WAS NOT THE FOCUS! Eyes, arm, mouth, ass, where ever. You are acting in super bad faith right now and it is glaringly obvious.
Except Republicans exists and poor and underprivileged people support them. All of your arguments fall apart when you acknowledge the existence of Republicans.
Its as if they enjoy seeing the mass death and suffering of others.
Fox has repeatedly blatantly lied throughout this discussion. Earlier they claimed to be a Bernie supporter, but then proudly said they will vote Trump. They do not act in good faith and I am not going to bother humoring them anymore now.
How am I acting in bad faith? I supported bernie because I wanted someone with actual leftist policies. If I can't have that, I'll vote for the person who will force the democrats to change.
Answer or don't. You contribute the same amount to the discussion either way, because you are the only person here who isn't actually saying anything other then the fact that you dislike trump.
Such people will always exist. The best thing we can do is educate people and hope for positive change, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.
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