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You would probably be very distressed at just how much of the US government was run by Gentleman's Agreement.
oligarchies tend to like the flexibility of such arrangements, at least in the short term.
Being able to stab any attempted dictator to death without trial just for trying certainly helped.
If something ended up being revealed as an obvious hole in security from Jan 6th, then sure. If you're talking about Trump and right-wingers, I think they kinda proved they're rather incompetent in trying to take over the government.
Really, still going on about how American democracy is at great risk because a few republicans ran on the election being stolen because they thought that was the best way to get votes vs actually thinking the election was stolen? And even if they do think the election was stolen for real and get in, what legislation could they possibly initiate and get passed that would make the US no longer a democracy? They might try to outlaw voting machines or something like that. The democrats have done more to hurt democracy recently than the republicans.
Past presidents have overruled some law or the law that would make it so they stay in power? Biden overruled law during his presidency.
Rome = US?
Not "a few"; hundreds. And I don't doubt that most of them know it wasn't stolen. That doesn't mean they won't leverage it to contest or overrule future elections.
They won't just go 0 - 100 like that. What they'll do is push through more and more arbitrary voting restrictions that coincidentally help them. They'll continue to close polling stations in areas that don't support them. And then, in a future election, they'll litigate to get thousands of votes thrown out.
They already pursued all of these methods. Its not hypothetical.
You all read way too much into what politicians say to get elected, all the shit that both sides say they're gonna do and don't actually do is as overbloated as the US defense budget.
Funny how California led the way in closing 73% of their polling locations before the 2020 election...
How many legit votes have Republicans been able to throw out? Basically all their litigation were laughed out of court in 2020 IIRC.
Let's assume for a second all that denial is pure talk and 0% belief and none of it will lead to any political decisions. What it still does is corrode the voter confidence in elections. And we have all seen what that can do on Jan 6th. There is no reason whatsoever why someone would consider such behavior acceptable, it's extremely problematic in every possible way.
Your argument is, at best, that Republicans are bad at dismantling democracy. They're still trying to do it so maybe shouldn't be elected officials though.
And yet he’s still a more decent Republican than a fair whack of his real life counterparts.
If you're happy to trust the future of the world's most powerful country to "Oh they probably didn't mean it when they said that", then that's some level of trust.
Yes, thank goodness judicial appointments in the US aren't party-political.
Oh wait...
Democrats are causing bigger problems with keeping democracy than republicans... (Information control ala The Great Hack is more dangerous to democracy than some idiot saying the voting machines powered by the ghost of Hugo Chavez is rigging elections or whatever the fuck it was).
The BLM protests were a bigger issue than Jan 6th. Where's all the talk on here about what those have caused? The very people that the protesters wanted to help have caused those people to be worse off.
My confidence in voting is already at a point that's about as low as it can go and it has nothing to do with votes actually being counted wrong or not being counted. What's the point in rigging an election that you can't lose to begin with?
And democrats are doing it better than republicans... yet it's OK to elect democrats?
It's quite the opposite, I have no trust in the voters actually voting for the right people. Both sides run on shit they ain't gonna do, what does it matter if it's a D saying they'll do something you want (that they won't do) or an R saying they'll do something you don't want (that they don't do)? It's like video game hype, everyone believes the hype of some new game (like Cyberpunk) and it never delivers yet you all expect the next game to deliver like history is some unknown concept.
So you have no evidence of Rs ever being able to throw out just 1 legit vote ever? Surely if they're so dangerous to democracy and we were within a whisker of fascism (like ya'll like to exaggerate to ridiculous levels), you can provide at least 1 example of this happening... right?!?!
I love how the counterargument here is, "Republicans are really bad at overthrowing democratically elected governments domestically, so we should totally let them off the hook."
Nah, we just know how this goes: see, we can only prove it if it gets caught and reversed, where you then say "but it got caught so who cares", and if we go with a case where it doesn't get reversed, you say "but that doesn't prove they did it, so who cares?"
I mean, for fuck's sake, you're already conflating nationwide protests against police brutality who themselves were victims of police brutality with storming a major government building trying to overturn a legitimately lost political election, there's no difference between being wildly ignorant and just not operating on good faith here. Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
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Except they already tried to get thousands of votes thrown out. Their sincerity in wishing to overturn election results is not really in question, whether or not they believe the election was actually 'stolen'.
Look, this kind of complacency is how democracies undermine themselves. Democracies the world over, for many decades, have thought themselves immune to authoritarianism, only to slide back into it as a result of complacency and empowering those who would break down the democratic structures.
I haven't even mentioned fascism.
But since you ask, yes, I can point to examples: three counties in Pennsylvania excluded thousands of votes (from Democratic-heavy areas) because the outer envelope lacked a date, even if the ballots were received before election day. The Penn. Supreme Court supported them. It was challenged, and then the SCOTUS vacated the decision because the election had already passed. So thousands of ballots ended up not being reflected in the count.
They pursued similar suits in several other swing states, targeting Democrat-leaning areas.
Citations, quotes, evidence?
US Supreme Court hears case to determine authority over elections
Republican politicians advance theory that could shift power away from courts in determining election rules and maps.
Fuck, we're about two months away from just not voting for president anymoreCitations, quotes, evidence?
US Supreme Court hears case to determine authority over elections
Republican politicians advance theory that could shift power away from courts in determining election rules and maps.www.aljazeera.com