biggest flaw in a console

[Kermi]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

Then how about this:

The way the 360 scratches disks because of its stupid-ass disk drive

Does it? Hundreds of hours in Fallout 3 and Halo 3 say otherwise.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

The fact everybody under-estimates the Wii's graphics-maker-doohicky. They think it's like the frigging Snes, when it actually is capable of playing games a bit more advanced than say, Red Steel. Graphics wise.

I think I read somewhere that while it isn't quite as powerful as the other two, it has some other graphics rendering thing that if used right could make games look about as good as on the 360. This was also used in Starfox Adventures. It's been a while and it's probably not that reliable, though.

You're thinking of TEV pipelining, and yes it basically does everything that the other two can mutually do but to a lesser extent.

This thread just reeks of fanboy, I'm pretty sure I saw someone say that the Wii's motion controls was the biggest flaw of a console, when it's the mainstay of the console, and that's obvious.

I'll leave it at that, and not partake in this further. Good day.

 

[mikecoulter]

Well, I play on the 360, and I am so glad I never bought a HD DVD player for it. That was just, epic fail.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

They make you pay $100 for it with the warranty to get it fixed.

A friend of mine sent his system in for a RRoD repair with a Warranty and paid nothing. Where are you getting your information?

Recently, and by recently a mean a few months, Microsoft states that because of all the people who don't have the three red ring, who get an error that doesn't cover the warranty, purposely give their 360's the 3 red rings to get it fixed for free.

My friend had that problem, and stomped his 360 until he got the three red rings, he's a madman.

 

[sooperman]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

It still affects the gamers doesn't it? And it is a flaw. Sure you can get a new one, but that one will get RRoD too.

Another RRoD would be quickly reapaired/replaced, as per the warranty.
Depending on where you live, it doesn't actually take very long to get it done.

It has become a minor nuisance, not a major screwup.

Oh this reeks of fanboy. Havingto send off for a new one is not a "minor nuisance".

You sure? Mine took two weeks; no withdraw symtoms here. I'm sure if it was your only console it would be a really big nuisance, but don't you have a Wii/PC/PS3/ect?

 

[Wargamer]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

Yes it does. A bad console is one that breaks down regardless of warranty.

A good console will last long enough for the next gen model to hit the shelves before it packs in. Hell, my original Megadrive, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Gameboy and GBA all still work!

 

[Andy_Panthro]

What I had meant was that there are alot of games that even powerhouse PC's cant run properly. The most Recent and memorable being GTA IV.

Thats a failure on the part of the developers, not for the PC in general. Microsoft has made things like DirectX in order to make gaming easier on PCs.

If you choose to do a terrible port of a game over to the PC, and spend very little time doing QA, then it won't run well (or at all).

My PC is a couple of years old, and wasn't top-of-the-line when I bought it, but it has run everything I have asked it to. I doubt it would run GTAIV, but it had no problems with Oblivion, The Witcher, Half-Life 2 or GTA:VC, for example.

 

[USSR]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

They make you pay $100 for it with the warranty to get it fixed.

A friend of mine sent his system in for a RRoD repair with a Warranty and paid nothing. Where are you getting your information?

Recently, and by recently a mean a few months, Microsoft states that because of all the people who don't have the three red ring, who get an error that doesn't cover the warranty, purposely give their 360's the 3 red rings to get it fixed for free.

My friend had that problem, and stomped his 360 until he got the three red rings, he's a madman.

A friend of mine did something very similar, but through beating his console, it fixed his RRoD.

The reason he was beating it was because his warranty expired the day before he got the 3 red rings.

 

[theSovietConnection]

I'd have to say the three biggest flaws would have to be:
-the RRoD
-inability to update hardware
-fanboyism/elitism

 

[Twilight_guy]

The Virtualboy, although the Dreamcast is a close second. You cannot look at what happened to the Virtualboy and tell me that there's something worst, there isn't.

 

[Tech Team FTW!]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

Yes it does. A bad console is one that breaks down regardless of warranty.

A good console will last long enough for the next gen model to hit the shelves before it packs in. Hell, my original Megadrive, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Gameboy and GBA all still work!

I knew this would come up agin.

If it is a bad console, people won't buy it.

Most prospective buyers today know about the red ring of death and yet the console is still being sold. Therefore this is not "the biggest flaw in any console evarr!!11!!!!1" because the advantages of the 360 outweigh the risk that it dies a horrible and premature death.

Combine this with the fact that rrod is now covered in the warranty and you will be reimbursed in the event that it happens to your console this is nowhere near as big a flaw as, for example, the N64 controllers that work great if you have 3 hands, but are terrible otherwise.

 

[quack35]

I'd like to see some more good games on the Wii.

 

[teisjm]

Development teams for the wii who continue to put out shovelware, instead of making games as awesome as zelda and metroid.

We don't need another fucking wii-sports, we need something that uses the wii controlls for more than gimmicky wanking-simulations.

 

[jthm]

The biggest flaw in a console is that people buy them.

Zing.

Seriously, though, it'd have to be the infamous Red Ring of Death.

Yeah... That's why the 360 outsold the ps3... of course!

 

[Zombie_Fish]

the entire Wii console

Damn, I was going to say that.

Development teams for the wii who continue to put out shovelware, instead of making games as awesome as zelda and metroid.

We don't need another fucking wii-sports, we need something that uses the wii controlls for more than gimmicky wanking-simulations.

What, and have a decent game for the Wii? Nintendo would hate that.

How can anything be worse than the RRoD? Honestly, some people...

Meh, well they think they've found worse flaws than having a console that doesn't actually work.

 

[Kailias]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

It still affects the gamers doesn't it? And it is a flaw. Sure you can get a new one, but that one will get RRoD too.

Another RRoD would be quickly reapaired/replaced, as per the warranty.
Depending on where you live, it doesn't actually take very long to get it done.

It has become a minor nuisance, not a major screwup.

No, absolutely not. I don't care if you've never had an RRoD before, you cannot simply toss aside the absolute atrocity of Microsoft's RRoD.

It does not matter if it's covered with a warranty, so what? It's absolutely appalling that Microsoft would expect their customers to continue sending in Xboxes because it's covered in warranty, which surprisingly people do! I've had friends that had their 360's break down 5 times in as many months. Would you seriously accept the fact that you'd turn in your 360 5 times in 5 months just because it's covered on warranty? Bull. Shit.

A 33% failure rate is absolutely atrocious. If a drug had a 33% failure rate, it'd be taken off the shelves immediately. If a car had a 33% failure rate, it'd barely be selling at all. If a computer had a 33% failure rate it would be boycotted until the company fixed it.

Now, accidents happen, and you're bound to take your car in for repair every couple of years or upgrade your computer to be better. But nobody would ever buy a car if it had a 33% chance of failing, and that would be for every model. Nobody would care if the care was covered in warranty, bullshit on that.

You're basically saying that if you're 360 got RRoD, send it in and get a new one. If that one gets an RRoD, no problem, send it in again! The next one gets RRoD, send it in! RRoD, it's fine it's in warranty! RRoD, pshaw, just send it in!

No, just simply no.

Now please note, this isn't restricted to the 360. If my PS3 had broken down 3 times (depending on how far away the break downs were), Sony would lose a loyal customer. One time, okay, things happen. Second time, fine, it's covered in warranty, and things do happen. Third times the charm, you're out of here, I should not have my console break down 3 times in 3 months.

You are the customer, you should not be expecting your console to break down on you. That should be the least of your worries. If you're expecting your console to get the equivalent of a deadly disease, then you know that something is wrong.

EDIT: I'll admit though, I'd probably be a hypocrite and get my PS3 sent in for a 4th time

I believe you also forgot another "minor nuisance" Don't you have to pay for online? while your xbox is shipped away and you are awaiting a new one, isn't the money you paid to play Halo online slowly getting wasted? Does Microsoft give you extra days for free while you wait for a new xbox or no? That feels like paying monthly for an MMO just so the severs can go down for 2 weeks and they don't compensate for it.

 

[sadpolice]

It won't turn on.

 

[jthm]

Red Ring Of Death.

That doesn't really count because it is coverred in the warranty.

Yes it does. A bad console is one that breaks down regardless of warranty.

A good console will last long enough for the next gen model to hit the shelves before it packs in. Hell, my original Megadrive, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Gameboy and GBA all still work!

I knew this would come up agin.

If it is a bad console, people won't buy it.

Most prospective buyers today know about the red ring of death and yet the console is still being sold. Therefore this is not "the biggest flaw in any console evarr!!11!!!!1" because the advantages of the 360 outweigh the risk that it dies a horrible and premature death.

Combine this with the fact that rrod is now covered in the warranty and you will be reimbursed in the event that it happens to your console this is nowhere near as big a flaw as, for example, the N64 controllers that work great if you have 3 hands, but are terrible otherwise.

Much like the Wii Mote and the Cube controller, The N64 controllers were "different". That said, they are still perfectly functional controllers that were easy to use on almost all games released for the system. You either used the stick, or the d-pad in rare instances and always the buttons. How does that equal 3 hand use?

Speaking only on what I know from owner experience here:
SNES: Nothing was wrong, this system was perfect.
N64: Expansion pack seemed a bit excessive. You buy a console so you don't have to upgrade it. If you have to add RAM, might as well just game on a PC. Also, the rumble OR Memory card kind of sucked.
PS1: Tiny sized memory cards, fragile systems that eventually break just from normal usage.
Gameboy: Nothing was wrong for the time. Later renditions rendered it obsolete, but it was great at the time.
Sega Gamegear: Talk about battery death. 6 AA's every two to three days, a week at most.
GBA: Needed a backlight. SP provided.
GBASP: The best of the gameboys. Lithium battery was a godsend.
Virtual boy: Gah! MY EYES! I CAN'T SEE RED!
Xbox: Original controller was a bit large. Otherwise it was a fine system.
PS2: Shoddy construction and design resulting in faulty systems all the way through the 3500X series (the last series produced before the ps2 slims).
PS2 slim: Fine, but it should have included peripheral support for the HDD they released for the PS2. Note that the PS2 had some of the best exclusive titles of it's generation.
Sega Dreamcast: Ahead of it's time. Controller weight was off, but a memory unit cured that. Button spacing was also a bit off, but not so much that it hindered gameplay.
Nintendo DS: Wonderful little device, dead pixel problem in first few batches as well as an "on or off" volume control and missing a headphone jack.
DS Lite: Better little device, I have no complaints.
Nintendo Gamecube: A notable lack of titles as well as a strangely proportioned button scheme and c-stick. What titles it had were it great.
Xbox 360: Following a page from the Sony PS2 handbook, Microsoft launched early and faulty. RROD's, lockups and slower framerates are common. If it didn't have the better games and exclusives (or at least earlier releases on a fair number of titles) it wouldn't be as popular as it is now. Still, a better game roster and lower price makes it the more attractive choice for "more than casual" gamers. 1 in 3 failure rate.
PS3: Wonderfully constructed system if only it had more games and more "good" exclusives. Price is also a bit to high and the removal of backward compatibility in the newer systems was not a good move if quality over quantity is the goal of your system. Sixaxis feels tacked on and detracts from the fun in each game it's implemented in. Also, first party VGA cables would've been nice.
Wii: Unique and quirky, but also lacking in good games that utilize the Wii's motion sense. Lacking in graphical department, but it makes up for it in other areas (like plain old fun). Too much shovelware though.