Bill to legalize Marijuana introduced in California
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I WANT ON THAT SHOW!Brotherofwill said:
I'll bring Denis Leary and Bill Hicks with me (right after I perform a resurrection!)
It'll be more sophisticated than _most_ of the T.V. here.
I WANT ON THAT SHOW!!
I believe he also said, "you might not want to find out how high you can actually get!"suckmyBR said:
oh right Dennis Leary was Diego in Ice Age, and I love those films (granted mostly for Scrat, that squirrel is awesome.) He was funny in The Ref as well. Haven't read "Why We Suck" unfortunately.
Our first season will be a celebrity special wit washed up celebrities like:Captain Blackout said:
Amy Winehouse, Pete Doherty and Bill Gates
You're gonna have to wait in line
If I didn't quote or address one of your points, that indicates that I have nothing to say about it at this time.JWAN said:
So, what are you trying to demonstrate here? That being high is the same as having schizophrenia? Because the effects of marijuana are similar to the symptoms of schizophrenia? Or mental retardation?
If what you're saying were true, then all pot-heads would be brain-dead psychopaths, and thats simply not the case. This was the message of the propaganda film Reefer Madness...
I'm done debating with you about this. You're obviously very set in your opinion, despite your inability to defend it. You've convinced yourself, but no one else and certainly not me. My father was a 30 year pot-head, and is one of the smartest people I know. He doesn't suffer from schizophrenia, mental retardation, hallucinations or delusions. He's a intelligent, productive member of society.
Here is some reading for you, if you can be bothered.... Let me know if your research ever extends beyond a dictionary....
Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.
Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.
Iverson, Leslie. "Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis" Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.
Weiser and Noy. "Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia" Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.
"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health" London Telegraph 23 January 2006.
Andreasson, S. et al. "Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts" The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.
Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. "Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis" Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.
Weil, A. "Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment" New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.
Source: Drug Policy Alliance Network [http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/]
Why do you legalize any recreational drugs? Just because something worse is legal, why would you legalize something "almost as bad" when it wasn't already regarded culturally as "okay"? The reason prohibition failed is because alcohol had been accepted for several centuries already. You can't take away something like that. Pot isn't accepted like alcohol, so why would we put ANOTHER substance that is harmful on the table?Captain Blackout said:
It still fucks up lives. I've seen it happen.
Sorry I didn't read through the whole thread, I just couldn't stand another idiot post.
Oh my gosh. SO many people are trying to tell me that what I'm saying is wrong, when no actually looks at the way I phrase things. Most of the time it's with possibly, and can have and things like that. And just about all of the info I have and know are from stat websites, medical websites and official websites. So, critize me all the fuck you want, but STOP telling me I am beyond wrong. Because that just slightly pisses me off!
I'm I the only one who finds it ironic that someone who considers marijuana harmful and dangerous can't be bothered to read something...?Mezzlegasm said:
You do realize that I read the first two pages, right?Yog Sothoth said:
Oh, and I'm sorry that I can't find time the read 6 pages of a thread with repeated ideas with no correction or erroneous correction in between my other reading of which I'm positive I've done more than you have in the past week.
Just seems rather obtuse to state that you didn't read all of it, then draw conclusions about what you didn't read...Mezzlegasm said:
And I don't see how you could be positive that you've read more than I have in the last week.... maybe you did, maybe not, but how the fuck would you know? Last time I checked you don't know me, so if you'd be so kind, please don't make assumptions about me.
EDIT: Ah, pardon me, I'm just a stupid stoner, and we all know that stoners can't read........
I read the post I was responding as well as all the previous posts. I think it is fair to make an assumption about the general atmosphere of the thread after reading through two pages of the same recycled responses. I also didn't attempt to address any other post than the one I quoted, which is what the main purpose of the quote function.Yog Sothoth said:
By saying that I was positive that I had read more than you, I was using hyperbole to emphasize the amount that I read normally. It is more than you give me credit for, I can assure you.
I did not make any assumptions about what you did or did not read. I based my response on what you said, not what I think you might have said. I gave you credit for what you said you'd done, nothing more, nothing less....Mezzlegasm said:
At least you're a good enough person to admit that you're using hyperbole and rhetoric when you're called out on it.... Thanks for that, I guess...
First things first, I don't smoke pot. Even if it was legalized, I probably wouldn't smoke it, at least not any more than I drink which is not very often.
That being said, I am 100% for legalization. I think the arguments against it are based on misinformation. Every non-biased study I have read has found little to no dangerous effects. Its nothing like other drugs that can really cause you to hurt other people like LSD or Meth. Its not addictive in a physical sense like nicotene or cocaine. Its only addictive in the mental sense like some people are "addicted" to chocolate or web surfing. That's not enough reason to outlaw something.
Whether or not its unhealthy for a person in the same way as cigarettes, I really don't care. People who are around someone who is smoking it can get high so there is NO WAY it would ever be allowed in public places. If its not being smoked in public places, then there is no risk of harm from second hand pot smoke. If someone does something unhealthy in his own homes and it doesn't hurt anyone else, so be it. People should not use the law to FORCE other people to do things that are "good for them." The government IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be anyone's mother.
In addition, keeping it illegal DOES cause a LOT of harm. No regulation means no safety controls (rat poison mixed in), gives INCREDIBLE amounts of money to gangs and other criminals who sell it, costs UNBELIEVABLE amounts of money to unsuccessfully try to stop it, makes it easier for kids to experiment with it since drug dealers DON'T check IDs, AND it causes kids who DO experiment with it to be exposed to REAL criminal sub-cultures. Getting involved with people like that causes a HELL of a lot more harm than the smoke ever would.
In fact, legalizing it would do a lot of GOOD. With the taxes off of this alone, we could pay off the debt from this stimulus bill in just a few years! Especially since we would be saving countless BILLIONS of dollars and man-hours wasted trying to put a dent in the illegal supply. There are a lot of more worthy causes for that money than the failed war on drugs. No matter how much money we have thrown at the problem, there are MORE drugs available now than there were in the 60s.
Edit: Even if this bill did pass, it would not accomplish much. This is because the federal government has criminalized marijuana. The states cannot legitimately legalize something that the federal government has criminalized. (I think the federal government's authority to enact that law is highly suspect, but that's a completely different topic.) The real effect of this law being passed would be to cut down on enforcement of the federal law since state (and city) police would not enforce it. It would also create some serious discussion on the federal level about national decriminalization.
That being said, I am 100% for legalization. I think the arguments against it are based on misinformation. Every non-biased study I have read has found little to no dangerous effects. Its nothing like other drugs that can really cause you to hurt other people like LSD or Meth. Its not addictive in a physical sense like nicotene or cocaine. Its only addictive in the mental sense like some people are "addicted" to chocolate or web surfing. That's not enough reason to outlaw something.
Whether or not its unhealthy for a person in the same way as cigarettes, I really don't care. People who are around someone who is smoking it can get high so there is NO WAY it would ever be allowed in public places. If its not being smoked in public places, then there is no risk of harm from second hand pot smoke. If someone does something unhealthy in his own homes and it doesn't hurt anyone else, so be it. People should not use the law to FORCE other people to do things that are "good for them." The government IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be anyone's mother.
In addition, keeping it illegal DOES cause a LOT of harm. No regulation means no safety controls (rat poison mixed in), gives INCREDIBLE amounts of money to gangs and other criminals who sell it, costs UNBELIEVABLE amounts of money to unsuccessfully try to stop it, makes it easier for kids to experiment with it since drug dealers DON'T check IDs, AND it causes kids who DO experiment with it to be exposed to REAL criminal sub-cultures. Getting involved with people like that causes a HELL of a lot more harm than the smoke ever would.
In fact, legalizing it would do a lot of GOOD. With the taxes off of this alone, we could pay off the debt from this stimulus bill in just a few years! Especially since we would be saving countless BILLIONS of dollars and man-hours wasted trying to put a dent in the illegal supply. There are a lot of more worthy causes for that money than the failed war on drugs. No matter how much money we have thrown at the problem, there are MORE drugs available now than there were in the 60s.
Edit: Even if this bill did pass, it would not accomplish much. This is because the federal government has criminalized marijuana. The states cannot legitimately legalize something that the federal government has criminalized. (I think the federal government's authority to enact that law is highly suspect, but that's a completely different topic.) The real effect of this law being passed would be to cut down on enforcement of the federal law since state (and city) police would not enforce it. It would also create some serious discussion on the federal level about national decriminalization.