Bill to legalize Marijuana introduced in California

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Captain Blackout

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Did almost all the cool kids leave? I thought we decided to talk about Denis Leary here now?

heh heh....

And how many people are going to post to pantsoffdanceoff before they realize that horse is now rotting? Dang, give the dude a break. Or a joint. Or Denis Leary CD. Heck, give the dude a Bill Hicks compilation....
 

EzraPound

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Do you ever stop and think of why drugs are illegal in the first place? They're dangerous. It protects people from harming themselves and others. That is what laws are for. It has been illegal for a long time and with good reason.
By this logic, you could make it illegal for individuals to cross the street because they might be hit by a car. Lawmaking is a metter of negotiating a balance between individual freedoms and social good, and all cannabis legalization advocates are arguing is that marijuana being illegal is too great an infringement on individual rights with nary a social benefit to justity remaining - especially since it's hypocritical to allow the sale and consumption of cigarettes and alcohol, which are similarly damaging (I'm not going to discuss the semantics), and not pot.

Yes, alcohol and tobacco are still bad for you. Tobacco we didn't even know was harmful until fairly recently. Alcohol has always been harmful and would be illegal were it not so widely accepted in our nation. They are still bad, we don't need more bad things.
Your logic is wrong. Everyone knows alcohol, tobacco and marijuana are "bad for you", but the argument for having them legalized isn't one that's saying they're healthy or good (though the relative affects of substances are weighed: noone's talking about making heroine legal) - instead, it's saying that when it comes to relatively tame substances such as marijuana, the individual should have the choice as to whether they want to do it or not - as with coffee or beer, the latter of which generates significant tax revenue.

Moreover, what makes you equate legalization of marijuana with "more bad things"? Conversely, "less bad things" have been the result in countries that have legalized it: organized crime has been damaged, tax revenues for public projects have increased, and rates of use have been stable, not increased due to legalization.

Saying "Alcohol and tobacco are legal, therefore pot shot be legal" is like saying "I've broken your nose and gave you a black eye, therefore I should break your finger". It isn't really logical.
Actually, all public policy and law can be described that way, since it's based largely on matters of precedent. Still, you need to distinguish between the use of alcohol being a problem - since it definitely is - and the legality of it being one, since, for example, in countries that have banned alcohol abuse continues similarly, except it's not taxed and it's not regulated. It's human nature to seek escapism: the goal of the government isn't to shape human nature by taking high-brow pseudo-moral stances - as was especially characteristic of fascistic regimes such as Hitler and Stalin's, and in all states to some capacity - but to implement the best solution in an existing context, i.e. the context of people funneling money into organized crime to purchase impure drugs that aren't regulated, and rates of abuse that do not go up when a country legalizes pot.

I can't force you to agree with me, but the evidence is there. Drugs have caused problems and widespread use of them will continue to cause problems.
Yes, marijuans as a drug will continue to cause problems, whether it's legal or not - except more if not. So will high traffic, power outages, and death. But it's not very practical for any of the aforementioned to be illegal, is it?

Do you honestly believe that those who have truely contributed to the world have been avid drug users? Do you think that Einstein smoked some pot while deriving the famous equation E=mc^2?
Drugs are generally negative, but your above statement is patently ludicrous. Coleridge invented Romantic poetry while largely in the throes of an opium addiction, and Louis Armstrong smoked marijuana every day while being arguably the highest-functioning jazz musician on the planet. Coffee isn't good, either, but have people done great things while on it? I would go with "yes."
 

Ultrajoe

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Look, surely both sides can agree one fact.

Be weed dangerous or not:

a) It is going to be smoked.
b) It will be a fuck-load more dangerous without proper regulation and education.
c) As it stands, it funds criminal activity, or is done in unsafe environments with improper methods.

That one fact, then? Everybody wins.

Whether or not you think it dangerous, whether or not you think it profitable, whether or not you think the other side of the debate is a bunch of stiffnecks/stoners, we can all agree that by legalizing it, everybody wins. More money, possibly into education on better use and prevention in younger users. Less dangerous substances mixed in with the weed, higher quality weed and just more god-damned weed. Removes it from the hands of dealers. Draws people seeking a buzz away from the real terror drugs like Meth or Coke. It puts it into the hands of professionals and makes the process a whole lot more organized, and expensive, if you were a particularly vindictive anti-pot bastard.

No matter your stance, you have something to your credit in it's legalization.

There's the one fact that matters; nobody loses, and it will probably save lives.

Pot Kills: While my previous article was meant to be a bit of spoof, the fact is that Pot is like booze, and the deaths related to it are just that, related. Fires, suffocations (Dude, where's my oxygen?) infection from filthy paraphernalia or accidents while under the influence. They may be minor and rare, but they happen.

The good news? It's one more reason to make it legal for both sides, where shit like this can have a big warning sign on it, and you fans of the fog can simmer gently in the knowledge that you wont be forced to pretend you're lucid and do things that you really shouldn't do while riding the clouds.

Once again, everybody wins.

Legalize the shit, so it's not in the hands of the stoners (I love you, really, and all your talking furniture)
 

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Mezzlegasm said:
Do you ever stop and think of why drugs are illegal in the first place? They're dangerous. It protects people from harming themselves and others. That is what laws are for. It has been illegal for a long time and with good reason.
Marijuana laws were first introduced so that Texas could deport Mexicans during the depression. You can read all about it here:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

It seems like most of your other comments are also based on unreferenced personal prejudice rather than on any type of fact or logic, as you seem to claim. If you have "proof" and the "evidence is there" then link us in.
 

Captain Blackout

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LOCK. THIS. THREAD. PLEASE.

For the love of God, haven't we beaten the nay-sayers into the dirt? Isn't it time to invite them back and share a joint instead of burying them? It wouldn't be so bad, but the same posts keep getting quoted with NO response from the original posters. The horse isn't dead, it's a pile of fucking bones.

If you all don't take the moral high road (every bad pun and reference intended) I'm going to side with the nay-sayers. Anybody read the post where I said I od'ed and did a ton of research? I can do a good job, and I will keep you goofs tied up for weeks.

Offer the olive branch or whatever plant item you wish, or I'm coming back with a large heavy weapon to beat you all with!
 

Isaac Dodgson

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Hmm...

As a casual user... I find this amusing, promising, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's gonna pass.

My roommates are gonna eat this up though.
 

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As much as I'd like for it to be legalized, at least decriminalize it. All of it's ridiculous, and led to the prohibition (with alcohol), granted it's currently a different substance, but it's all the same idea. Especially for just a damn plant.
 

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Locker420 said:
Mezzlegasm said:
Do you ever stop and think of why drugs are illegal in the first place? They're dangerous. It protects people from harming themselves and others. That is what laws are for. It has been illegal for a long time and with good reason.
Marijuana laws were first introduced so that Texas could deport Mexicans during the depression. You can read all about it here:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

It seems like most of your other comments are also based on unreferenced personal prejudice rather than on any type of fact or logic, as you seem to claim. If you have "proof" and the "evidence is there" then link us in.
That is true and well known. Even the History Channel did a special on it a while back. Racism was the driving force for criminalizing many drugs. Safety was a secondary concern and in some cases the "safety" issue was entirely fabricated.
 

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Yog Sothoth said:
Evilbunny said:
However, smoking in bars or other public places like that, especially around children should not be allowed.
Wait.... they let children into bars...?
Wow, that is not what I meant at all...
I meant to say public places where children go should not allow smoking. Sorry, poorly worded.
 

Yog Sothoth

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Evilbunny said:
Yog Sothoth said:
Evilbunny said:
However, smoking in bars or other public places like that, especially around children should not be allowed.
Wait.... they let children into bars...?
Wow, that is not what I meant at all...
I meant to say public places where children go should not allow smoking. Sorry, poorly worded.
I know that's not what you meant, but when I see something that can be easily misinterpreted, I can't resist the urge to jump on it......

Of course we need to keep marijuana away from kids and out of public places. You were overstating the obvious....
 

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TheNecroswanson said:
*Sigh* Am I a pessimist for thinking this is only happening because Obama is in office?

axia777 said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
I don't know why the myth of marijuana not being dangerous floats around. It has more carcinogens the cigarettes and thus has a higher chance of causing lung cancer. Overdoses on marijuana are far more likely the overdoses on booze. The only reason you DON'T hear about that stuff is because there are no ads saying don't do pot for (blah) reasons because its already illegal.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

What a load of crap. Do you watch Fox News channel too? Overdoses on Pot? Never happened, never does happen, never will happen. Lung cancer from Pot? The same thing. Never happened, never does happen, never will happen. Stop believing the lies.
Actually you can get lung cancer from marijuana. You're still inhaling smoke after all.
What are you talking about? Ever whitied? OVERDOSE. And weed is cut with Tobacco. TOBACCO = CANCER.

I'm all for legalising weed, but acting like it's better than the cure for AIDS will get nobody anywhere.

Yog Sothoth said:
Evilbunny said:
Yog Sothoth said:
Evilbunny said:
However, smoking in bars or other public places like that, especially around children should not be allowed.
Wait.... they let children into bars...?
Wow, that is not what I meant at all...
I meant to say public places where children go should not allow smoking. Sorry, poorly worded.
I know that's not what you meant, but when I see something that can be easily misinterpreted, I can't resist the urge to jump on it......

Of course we need to keep marijuana away from kids and out of public places. You were overstating the obvious....
He made a good point, don't criticise him for it... And yeah, some bars let kids in. In fact, a lot of them do.
 

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Ago Iterum said:
TheNecroswanson said:
*Sigh* Am I a pessimist for thinking this is only happening because Obama is in office?

axia777 said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
I don't know why the myth of marijuana not being dangerous floats around. It has more carcinogens the cigarettes and thus has a higher chance of causing lung cancer. Overdoses on marijuana are far more likely the overdoses on booze. The only reason you DON'T hear about that stuff is because there are no ads saying don't do pot for (blah) reasons because its already illegal.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

What a load of crap. Do you watch Fox News channel too? Overdoses on Pot? Never happened, never does happen, never will happen. Lung cancer from Pot? The same thing. Never happened, never does happen, never will happen. Stop believing the lies.
Actually you can get lung cancer from marijuana. You're still inhaling smoke after all.
Axia, are you retarded? Ever whitied? OVERDOSE. And weed is cut with Tobacco. TOBACCO = CANCER.

I'm all for legalising weed, but acting like it's better than the cure for AIDS will get nobody anywhere.
I don't know where you get your bags from, but If my weed was ever cut with tobacco, I'd never buy from that dealer again......
 

Ago Iterum

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Yog Sothoth said:
Ago Iterum said:
TheNecroswanson said:
*Sigh* Am I a pessimist for thinking this is only happening because Obama is in office?

axia777 said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
I don't know why the myth of marijuana not being dangerous floats around. It has more carcinogens the cigarettes and thus has a higher chance of causing lung cancer. Overdoses on marijuana are far more likely the overdoses on booze. The only reason you DON'T hear about that stuff is because there are no ads saying don't do pot for (blah) reasons because its already illegal.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

What a load of crap. Do you watch Fox News channel too? Overdoses on Pot? Never happened, never does happen, never will happen. Lung cancer from Pot? The same thing. Never happened, never does happen, never will happen. Stop believing the lies.
Actually you can get lung cancer from marijuana. You're still inhaling smoke after all.
Axia, are you retarded? Ever whitied? OVERDOSE. And weed is cut with Tobacco. TOBACCO = CANCER.

I'm all for legalising weed, but acting like it's better than the cure for AIDS will get nobody anywhere.
I don't know where you get your bags from, but If my weed was ever cut with tobacco, I'd never buy from that dealer again......
If you buy it already mixed. Or you just do it yourself.
 

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Honestly, I hate weed. But I do know that's it's way worse than alcohol. No one ever says, "Hey man, stay away from him, he smoked a lot of weed...he might snap."
I think it's a good idea, but we'll see what happens.
 

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Ago Iterum said:
Ever whitied? OVERDOSE.
I'm sure you realise when people say 'overdose' they mean 'fatality directly due to the short term effects of the chemical on the body' as opposed to 'doing a bit too much and feeling a bit squiffy'.

EDIT:
Or perhaps 'situation in which the chemicals short term effects on the body become life threatening due to the amount of the chemical present'...?
 

Ago Iterum

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scumofsociety said:
Ago Iterum said:
Ever whitied? OVERDOSE.
I'm sure you realise when people say 'overdose' they mean 'fatality directly due to the short term effects of the chemical on the body' as opposed to 'doing a bit too much and feeling a bit squiffy'.
Lawl. Squiffy. Nice. But it doesn't have to be fatal. As far as I'm aware.