Hence my edit (which, I would just like to point out was put in before I saw your postAgo Iterum said:
)and since I was commenting on what people mean rather than the official definition...
Bill to legalize Marijuana introduced in California
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)and since I was commenting on what people mean rather than the official definition...
I'm not blatantly ignoring what is being said. I may not mention what has been said, but that does not mean that I am ignoring it. Because you can say that about me, but that is just what everyone has done to me. So, for the love of Pete do NOT tell me I am ignorant. I pay more attention that most people in the world do.
Secondly, DO NOT TELL ME I AM WRONG! There is no PROOF one way or another because this situation is not something that can be tested one way or another. This is all entirely opinion based. Once again, DO NOT TELL ME I AM WRONG!!
Thirdly, my INITIAL argument was that there is not enough proof to be able to educate people as to whether there are benefits or not to the use of marijuana. But that just gets thrown in the garbage because I said something that was (oh no) "offensive" to the views of someone else.
Lastly, you have to look at where I live. The only people that I am truly aware of that use marijuana are the kids that not the brightest crayons in the bag. Also, the others that are a little bit brighter are the ones that tend to exessively use other drugs and alcohol. Then again, also take a look at the culture that I live in. Because that also has something to say for the way I have been responding and such.
P.S. DO NOT TELL ME I AM WRONG BECAUSE NO ONE IS RIGHT AND NO ONE IN WRONG IN THESE TYPES OF THINGS BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF!!
Secondly, DO NOT TELL ME I AM WRONG! There is no PROOF one way or another because this situation is not something that can be tested one way or another. This is all entirely opinion based. Once again, DO NOT TELL ME I AM WRONG!!
Thirdly, my INITIAL argument was that there is not enough proof to be able to educate people as to whether there are benefits or not to the use of marijuana. But that just gets thrown in the garbage because I said something that was (oh no) "offensive" to the views of someone else.
Lastly, you have to look at where I live. The only people that I am truly aware of that use marijuana are the kids that not the brightest crayons in the bag. Also, the others that are a little bit brighter are the ones that tend to exessively use other drugs and alcohol. Then again, also take a look at the culture that I live in. Because that also has something to say for the way I have been responding and such.
P.S. DO NOT TELL ME I AM WRONG BECAUSE NO ONE IS RIGHT AND NO ONE IN WRONG IN THESE TYPES OF THINGS BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF!!
Awesome. Seriously, marijuana, which is to say, organic ganja, is one of the least damaging products you could ever hope to make.
I say make, because you can't trust a dealer. Pesticides, cutting, all that stuff.
It's just not healthy.
Why all the hate on marijuana, though? It's not like it makes you violent. It enhances personality traits and makes you binge eat, perhaps, but there are no known cases of overdose.
As it is, booze is a known killer as are cigarettes, yet the government still allows these liver and lung MELTING substances to acessable to the public whilst denying a drug that makes you happy and friendly? I wish I saw the logic. Actually, I'm glad I don't.
Make that stuff legal, grow the weed of peace and make a massive profit... IN AMERICA!
I say make, because you can't trust a dealer. Pesticides, cutting, all that stuff.
It's just not healthy.
Why all the hate on marijuana, though? It's not like it makes you violent. It enhances personality traits and makes you binge eat, perhaps, but there are no known cases of overdose.
As it is, booze is a known killer as are cigarettes, yet the government still allows these liver and lung MELTING substances to acessable to the public whilst denying a drug that makes you happy and friendly? I wish I saw the logic. Actually, I'm glad I don't.
Make that stuff legal, grow the weed of peace and make a massive profit... IN AMERICA!
As you guys move one step closer to the right way, Britain moved one step back. It's been reclassified as Class B . I don't smoke cannabis but I believe we have the right to choose to, way more so than cigarettes and alcohol. Lots of people will move if it's passed, and lots will get taken out, meaning cheaper cannabis in other places. So it's still positive to everyone in a way.
. I don't smoke cannabis but I believe we have the right to choose to, way more so than cigarettes and alcohol. Lots of people will move if it's passed, and lots will get taken out, meaning cheaper cannabis in other places. So it's still positive to everyone in a way.
Mezzlegasm said:
People like you just don't get it. Pot was only full illegalized in 1970. The process started in the 30's but it did not get Federally mandated as illegal until 1970. This is just like Alcohol Prohibition man. Don't you see? Drug Wars don't work. They will never work.
Here is another useful link on the discussion.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/24/wian.pot.tax.cnn
Wow, some else who makes logical sense!!! Holy shit!Masika said:
there is absolutely no reason to make marijuana illegal when we can still drink and smoke tobacco. seriously, this seems like a great idea.
I'm against legalising it - for no real reasons, but more the fact that I think more research into whether it actually is dangerous or not should be done first - at the moment there are very few long-term users (and studies can't dope up a group of people for a few years to carry out trials) so it cannot be established if it does cause cancer or not (it's likely to due to the level of carcinogens [ie, chemicals that cause cancer], but is not proven yet). And into whether it does affect mental health (even if it triggers people who would, for want of a better phrase, "go schizo" anyway it is still dangerous as it causes the early onset and eary destructions of someones life and social wellbeing).
One thing I do worry about is a "slippery slope". A long time ago alcohol was the only thing people needed to relax - then cigarettes and alcohol. Now people are turning to dope. What happens in a few years, or next generation, when people no longer feel dope is sufficient and, say, start taking Cocaine or Heroin en-masse. By the logic presented to legalizing Cannabis (It is going to be smoked/snorted/injected; It will be a fuck-load more dangerous without proper regulation and education [cut with rat poison/chalk]; As it stands, it funds criminal activity, or is done in unsafe environments with improper methods [dirty syringes]. Yes, these are more dangerous (in the case or Heroin) or more noticable side-effects (in the case of Cocaine), but the same logic still applies, and who knows, the social situation may have those as the commonly-taken illegal substance (with the same sort of clamour to legalisation). Such movements to legalize such strong substances would then have the "But you did it with pot!" precedent to fall back on.
Mind you, if this bill does pass and marajuana does get legalized, I can see them doing the biggest "FRAK YOU" of all - and that it would only be able to be legally purchased/smoked by California residents (for anyone else it would still be a felony; much like the pot laws in the Netherlads [or at least we were told foreigners weren't allowed to smoke it in bars but locals were, whther that's true or not I don't know]). Would mean no interstate visitors getting to get stoned legally, and the internet-rage at such an outcome would be hilariously beautiful to behold.
Neither of this affects me, being a UK citizen - and I don't smoke pot either. Honestly, I don't care if people do, and the direction the laws take it in won't phase me too much...but I hate the fact that my uni buildings keep reeking of the stuff (and it's bad enough these days when only half the people that would like to partake regularly actually have the know-how/balls to go and find a street dealer). That stuff stinks (and I prefer buzzes to 'highs' - I'm not a saint, I know from experience), makes your clothes stink (for a lot longer than cigarette smoke does too) and generally annoys me (trying to explain to a flatmate that I really *don't* want any of his bloody pizza)!
One thing I do worry about is a "slippery slope". A long time ago alcohol was the only thing people needed to relax - then cigarettes and alcohol. Now people are turning to dope. What happens in a few years, or next generation, when people no longer feel dope is sufficient and, say, start taking Cocaine or Heroin en-masse. By the logic presented to legalizing Cannabis (It is going to be smoked/snorted/injected; It will be a fuck-load more dangerous without proper regulation and education [cut with rat poison/chalk]; As it stands, it funds criminal activity, or is done in unsafe environments with improper methods [dirty syringes]. Yes, these are more dangerous (in the case or Heroin) or more noticable side-effects (in the case of Cocaine), but the same logic still applies, and who knows, the social situation may have those as the commonly-taken illegal substance (with the same sort of clamour to legalisation). Such movements to legalize such strong substances would then have the "But you did it with pot!" precedent to fall back on.
Mind you, if this bill does pass and marajuana does get legalized, I can see them doing the biggest "FRAK YOU" of all - and that it would only be able to be legally purchased/smoked by California residents (for anyone else it would still be a felony; much like the pot laws in the Netherlads [or at least we were told foreigners weren't allowed to smoke it in bars but locals were, whther that's true or not I don't know]). Would mean no interstate visitors getting to get stoned legally, and the internet-rage at such an outcome would be hilariously beautiful to behold.
Neither of this affects me, being a UK citizen - and I don't smoke pot either. Honestly, I don't care if people do, and the direction the laws take it in won't phase me too much...but I hate the fact that my uni buildings keep reeking of the stuff (and it's bad enough these days when only half the people that would like to partake regularly actually have the know-how/balls to go and find a street dealer). That stuff stinks (and I prefer buzzes to 'highs' - I'm not a saint, I know from experience), makes your clothes stink (for a lot longer than cigarette smoke does too) and generally annoys me (trying to explain to a flatmate that I really *don't* want any of his bloody pizza)!
People have abused substances throughout all history. Legalising something less harmfull than alcohol and cigarettes combined should really be pretty easy.
I mean, it's like if I can own a bear and a tiger, but oh Gods, don't let me have a frog, those things are dangerous... well, they could be. I guess.
I mean, it's like if I can own a bear and a tiger, but oh Gods, don't let me have a frog, those things are dangerous... well, they could be. I guess.
People have raped and burgled throughout history.
Yay! Orgies atop piles of stolen goods in the high street! Now totally legal as have been done for milennia! (sources documenting raping and pillage in ancient Greece/Rome)
Sorry, I'm being facetious (sp?). Just saying "it's always happened" 1) isn't necessarily true (prove neanderthals smoked pot and you deserve a medal) and 2) we now have laws for a reason, and most are against things you used to be able to do, even throughout history.
Yay! Orgies atop piles of stolen goods in the high street! Now totally legal as have been done for milennia! (sources documenting raping and pillage in ancient Greece/Rome)
Sorry, I'm being facetious (sp?). Just saying "it's always happened" 1) isn't necessarily true (prove neanderthals smoked pot and you deserve a medal) and 2) we now have laws for a reason, and most are against things you used to be able to do, even throughout history.
How do you think we ended up with spiritual beliefs? Eat a mysterious bush and if you don't die, enjoy the high!
If people are going to call drugs a problem, it should be medical problem, not a law problem. Who's better suited to helping someone with a drugs problem? An armed man or a doctor?
Just because something is a law doesn't mean it's right, law must always be revised and improved, lest we let the thoughts of yesteryear stagnate our societies. I believe that the thought of "marijuana is an evil Mexican super-drug" is a backwards thought and should not be enforced by law.
The reasons for which we have laws are not always just, even if they are claimed to be so. Never become complacent just because a group of "professionals" say something is such.
Booze makes people died, cigarettes make people die... they're legal though, right? So that's okay. They make money, so it's okay. What's one more drug to the fucked up west? More money!
There's a lot of money in weed, it should help fund our society, but we let it go to profiteering criminals and, some say, terrorists. Growing marijuana as a legal crop would allow those who enjoy it to buy it safely and fund our greedy systems.
Just like booze and cigarettes. You might think marijuana is the devil, but people think a lot of other things are the devil as well.
Porn, booze, tobacco, video games, religion (irony), music, art, government, steroids etc...
If people are going to call drugs a problem, it should be medical problem, not a law problem. Who's better suited to helping someone with a drugs problem? An armed man or a doctor?
Just because something is a law doesn't mean it's right, law must always be revised and improved, lest we let the thoughts of yesteryear stagnate our societies. I believe that the thought of "marijuana is an evil Mexican super-drug" is a backwards thought and should not be enforced by law.
The reasons for which we have laws are not always just, even if they are claimed to be so. Never become complacent just because a group of "professionals" say something is such.
Booze makes people died, cigarettes make people die... they're legal though, right? So that's okay. They make money, so it's okay. What's one more drug to the fucked up west? More money!
There's a lot of money in weed, it should help fund our society, but we let it go to profiteering criminals and, some say, terrorists. Growing marijuana as a legal crop would allow those who enjoy it to buy it safely and fund our greedy systems.
Just like booze and cigarettes. You might think marijuana is the devil, but people think a lot of other things are the devil as well.
Porn, booze, tobacco, video games, religion (irony), music, art, government, steroids etc...
Apparently I did miss the point. Oh well. If you need help with that redwood forest, let me know.Ultrajoe said: