Bioshock, Andrew Ryan and a Theory.

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***I shall point out straight away that this will contain spoilers integral to the game's story so unless you have beaten the game, or do not care if you discover anything about the story then I suggest you do not read on.***

OK, so the theory that Andrew Ryan did not die in Bioshock has been thrown around the web a lot since the game was released, with many people claiming "There was a Vita-Chamber in the room so he could come back to life.".

I have a different theory as to why he could potentially still be alive. Bear in mind this is just a hypothesis, I am not claiming this is what happened, or even what I think happened, it's an idea.

First of all how he is still alive:

Quite simply, he force grew a child to act as him. The "clone" was ordered to use the phrase "Would you kindly" in order to be murdered (sounds crazy but read on).

How this is possible:

Being force grown is how the player came to be a full adult in just two years, so it's a possibility and there is nothing to say Ryan would not take advantage of this ability. Ryan used this technology as well as brain-washing (the same way the character was with "WYK") in order to control him (after all, who would ask somebody to kill them painfully if they are sane?).

We don't actually know what Ryan looks like. We see pictures of a man during film clips but who is to say that's what he actually looks like? He could easily be using his "clone" as a front.

Why he would do so/What made me come up with this idea:

Ryan truly believed in Rapture. He wouldn't want to throw his life away for no reason. He knew Jack would respond to "WYK" and he proved it by commanding him to run/sit/stand etc. So why didn't he order Jack to kill himself? That would eliminate the threat of Atlas surely?

The reason was that Ryan knew that Jack was close to killing him and realised that Atlas/Fontaine would not stop until he succeeded. He used the clone in order to make Atlas think he had won and so he could buy himself some time to fight back without worry of attack.

Thoughts?
 

Axolotl

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I disagree because it goes agaionst Ryan's whole philosophy. The reason he gets you to kill him is because Fontaine is controlling his own son. Rapture is dead to him after that.
 

j0z

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an interesting theory, and we will soon find out.
I can't wait for BS2!!!!!!!!!!
 

FactualSquirrel

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lulz, Furburt called it bullshit (sorry, it's an in-joke)

but now you've posted it, it isn't gonna be in the game.
 

RheynbowDash

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I agree with some points, (to a point), but even if all this were true, Bioshock was one of the greatest games to come out that year and i cant wait till part two comes out.
 

ZeroDotZero

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I think there will be a twist in Bioshock 2 which reveals Atlas/Ryan to be alive. I also hope Sander Cohen is still alive. That'd be awesome.
 

keybird

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Axolotl said:
I disagree because it goes agaionst Ryan's whole philosophy. The reason he gets you to kill him is because Fontaine is controlling his own son. Rapture is dead to him after that.
Dittoed
 

messy

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because "A man chooses a slave obeys."

He choose to die there and then, the perfect tribute to his philosophy.

Mr Ryan understood that everything dies, and if it wasn't Atlas it'd be someone else; I figure he just wanted control completely and fully in his last moments
 

VashDaBest

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This is an interesting theory. And the Vita-Chamber one does hold up, since they're tuned to his DNA. (Through which the main character can use it.) But I don't think Andrew Ryan will really have anything plot-wise to do with Bioshock 2.

Edit: Well... Like, as much as the first one.
 

Cargando

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It's a crazy theory, I'll give you that, but we have seen no other evidence of cloning in the game, and I think the writers would be more creative than that. I think he's dead and gone, in order to demonstrate how much he believed in his ideals.

Of course, he will still be in the Bioshock 2, what with it being a prequel.
 

jamesworkshop

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Cargando said:
It's a crazy theory, I'll give you that, but we have seen no other evidence of cloning in the game, and I think the writers would be more creative than that. I think he's dead and gone, in order to demonstrate how much he believed in his ideals.

Of course, he will still be in the Bioshock 2, what with it being a prequel.
Bioshock 2 is set 10 years after Bioshock and is about an old political rival of Ryan's called Sophia Lang, Jordan Thomas considers teh Atlas/Ryan story over
 

VashDaBest

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I thought Bioshock 2 was a sequel, as the Big Sister was a little sister from the first that was saved, but she returned later?
 

Guitarmasterx7

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Well I guess technically you can work your way around pretty much anyone dying like that, but if the writers used that Deus Ex Machina it would be EXTREMELY lame. It all seems plausible up to here
Machines Are Us said:

Why he would do so/What made me come up with this idea:

Ryan truly believed in Rapture. He wouldn't want to throw his life away for no reason. He knew Jack would respond to "WYK" and he proved it by commanding him to run/sit/stand etc. So why didn't he order Jack to kill himself? That would eliminate the threat of Atlas surely?

The reason was that Ryan knew that Jack was close to killing him and realised that Atlas/Fontaine would not stop until he succeeded. He used the clone in order to make Atlas think he had won and so he could buy himself some time to fight back without worry of attack.

Thoughts?

He told jack to kill him for two reasons. First of all, he saw his utopia(rapture) crumble into a dank and depressing underwater bastion of murderers and junkies. He had no reason or will to live. Second, he knew that if he illustrated how the "would you kindly" thing works to Jack he would turn on Atlas, and Jack was the only person capable of killing Atlas. (IIRC at that point of the story Atlas had gotten what he wanted, or at least was done with Jack.) Ryan knew his death was a necessity and probably welcomed it.
 

blindthrall

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Suchong would have to be doing some serious double-dipping for this to work. I'm kind of nonplussed about the sequel, since in my opinion Bioshock had a perfect story...for 2/3rds of the game. After the climax with Ryan, the whole game turns into a generic shooter, complete with ridiculous end boss. I don't think they have enough story left for a whole other game. A prequel would have been the way to go, or splicers escaping to the surface. The first game riped off System Shock, why not rip off Deus Ex in the sequel?
 

ThreeKneeNick

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This is so much cooler than the vita chamber theory, which i thought about too. I mean, he dies, he gets "vita'd", hides, gets revenge in BS2... BORING!! Your theory on the other hand, is teeming with clever tricks Bioshock is known for, completely fits, and its just awesome. Cant wait for BS2!