BioShock Creator Compares Videogame Sex to Naked Puppets

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Andkat

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What, are you kidding me? Sex scenes in non-pornographic videogames comprise marginal components of experiences that otherwise have nothing to do with the subject matter. The general tendency to complain about graphical and technical quality in games that already have too much money invested in visuals and effects is pretty pathetic already- the fact that Levine has the temerity to whine about something essentially irrelevant to the rest of the experience is utterly ludicrous. Surely, one can complain about sex being too readily and unrealistically initiated in many contexts (I suppose the standard example here is Liara from Mass Effect 1) given its potential significance in a relationship. However, I don't see why a simple "Fade to black" or a few suggestive movements/angles followed by such comprise unacceptable solutions to the problem of the actual depiction of sex. I don't play non-sexual video games for the purpose of incidentally attaining titillation, and hardcore/pornographic content would only be a pointless and irritating distraction (in the sense of focusing mind and body rather substantially on sex afterwards) from the normal flow of gameplay. How would you feel if the Godfather or Star Wars suddenly broke out into full-on pornography for ten minutes midway through the film?




I mean, it's not like more interactive and (sometimes) better-rendered sex does not exist. There are a vast number of pornographic games, most abundantly from Japan, that are dedicated to this very purpose. However, in their case more sophisticated depictions of sex are a fitting investment given that their principle focus is indeed to expedite masturbation rather than providing "higher" entertainment. Until Bioware/whomever begins to produce RPGs or whatnot with the principal purpose of using them as interactive pornography, I see no convincing argument as to why time and money should be wasted and audiences distracted and potentially irritated on unnecessarily in-depth representations of sexual activity.
 

Jfswift

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Fappy said:
I don't know about getting better every time. From where I stand ME1 had the best scenes in both taste and character interaction.
I have to agree with you there. ME1 was tasteful and mature really. Maybe not the best ever but it wasn't bad either.
 

Uber Evil

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Zom-B said:
I wish they gave out trophies for sex in real life! I'd have a full bookshelf! haha
[sub][sub][sub][sub]Last place, I'd presume. JUST KIDDING!![/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]
OT: Mr. Levine has the right idea. Let's just see if people take his advice.
 

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Yeah cause I can't wait to see digital figures go BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM, Wait I'm not finished yet, BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM!

seriously, I just don't think it's needed in the industry.
 

octafish

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I don't know, I never needed a sex scene when I romanced Jaheira, Aerie, Viccona, or Anomen.
 

beema

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I have to agree. Sex in video games right now feels all kinds of awkward and uncomfortable. If I'm really enjoying the story in a game I sometimes actually try to avoid any sex scenes if possible (if applicable).

Side note, I think Ken Levine sounds like a complete jackass when he curses so much in interviews. Yeah you are an adult, but throwing curse words around in public press-releases makes you look incredibly immature and unprofessional. Part of being an adult is knowing when to censor yourself.
 

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similar.squirrel said:
Why is it that so many people take more offense at sexual themes than they do at simulated murder? I think our species may be going to the funny farm.
Ah-Hah. Jack Thompson is right. They ARE murder simulators.

 

Hiroshi Mishima

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I hope this isn't going to lead up to some bullshit involving nudity or a sex scene in Bioshock Infinite. I told my cousin when I first saw that trailer/teaser last year it didn't look like it was gonna end well after seeing the "little sister" type character dressed up as an almost Anime Schoolgirl with large breasts and a short skirt. Especially if the whole thing was supposed to have been an American publicity stunt/show of force kinda thing.

Also, about the word "fuck". The world has become so desensitized to the word, I'm surprised it even raises an eyebrow. People seem to show concern, despite the fact that arguably more than 50% of the world's children not only know the word, but use it from time to time. ..probably during an FPS match. >_>;
 
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Logan Westbrook said:
BioWare, for example, has included romantic subplots in its games for years, and while you'd be hard pressed to say that the sex scenes in Dragon Age or Mass Effect are all that great, they do get a little bit better each time.
Over in under a minute; just like in real life.

In all seriousness sex scenes in video games have always been awkward, especially when the wife walks in. I'd prefer for them to be left out entirely rather than shoehorned in like the film industry loves to do.
 

Sylocat

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I love Ken Levine.

And I wish CAPTCHA would stop giving me words that I need to know alt-glyph codes to type.
 

gleepious

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Simple fact is, Most people are prudish and well... kids play GTA:4.
They shouldn't I know but, but I think you'll find that in the real world, tens of thousands of 4 and 5 year olds around the world are beating up hookers in baggy pants and then running them over 10 times for good measure.
If it was as simple as "well the parents should censor it" then you'd have main stream porn in the movies, the TV, everywhere for that matter! (Not talking about straight up porn either, I'm talking like ER or LOST with real sex scenes in them) why is it not there already? These shows are watched by adults are they not?
At the end of the day kids WILL get a hold of x-rated games and the advisory boards know this. Its not just critics and advisory boards that stop it either, its the fact that our world is split into two categories: people who enjoy sex, but would rather do it with the lights off.. and then the other half that would happily go ass naked on the hood of there car in front of there grandma and don't care! Some people find sex in TV shows, books and anywhere else for that matter plain embarrassing. And some don't.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Getting better each time?

HAVE YOU SEEN DA2'S SCENES?
Comparing them to the ones in Mass Effect, they seem to be getting worse.
 

justnotcricket

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HankMan said:
Imagine an interactive sex scene in Dragon Age, say a quick time event:
hold X, right shoulder + B, quick fill the manna bar press Y repeatedly; faster, faster, faster, faster....Dam it, time's up!
*Defeat cinematic*
O.O
Morrigan is disapproves: -50
Heh, reminds me of those little quicktime events in the God of War games where the women would make disappointed noises if Kratos didn't, uh, spin the thumbstick fast enough or press triangle in time... ;-P
 

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Assassin Xaero said:
rokkolpo said:
Assassin Xaero said:
Logan Westbrook said:
they do get a little bit better each time
And include more and more clothes each time...

On the subject, I still have yet to see a game where a sex scene is needed or even makes the game better than it would have been without it.
God of War, all of them.
Needed? no
Make the game better? HEEEELLLL YES!
It didn't do anything to further develop the story or Kratos as far as I see. Kratos is already been developed as a wreck less badass by then, and the sex minigames don't really do much to expand that.

Unless you consider sex making it better in a "OMGZ SECHS AND BOOBIES!!!!!11" way, then yeah, I guess some people could consider it "better" with the sex games.
Come on, it was hilarious.
If a game can make me laugh I consider it an improvement.
First time I got to that point in God of War 1 I was playing it with 5 other people in the room.
We laughed for days.
 

Assassin Xaero

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rokkolpo said:
Assassin Xaero said:
rokkolpo said:
Assassin Xaero said:
Logan Westbrook said:
they do get a little bit better each time
And include more and more clothes each time...

On the subject, I still have yet to see a game where a sex scene is needed or even makes the game better than it would have been without it.
God of War, all of them.
Needed? no
Make the game better? HEEEELLLL YES!
It didn't do anything to further develop the story or Kratos as far as I see. Kratos is already been developed as a wreck less badass by then, and the sex minigames don't really do much to expand that.

Unless you consider sex making it better in a "OMGZ SECHS AND BOOBIES!!!!!11" way, then yeah, I guess some people could consider it "better" with the sex games.
Come on, it was hilarious.
If a game can make me laugh I consider it an improvement.
First time I got to that point in God of War 1 I was playing it with 5 other people in the room.
We laughed for days.
You should see the one in Ghost of Sparta then... yesh... I didn't even think the room was that big...