Bioware, are you taking the piss?
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Haha, I noticed that too.Zhukov said:
"I'm gonna go over here and enjoy this delicious sandwich you just made me, but don't you dare think I'm any less mad"
One purchase is not "the one way that matters". I'm sick of people thinking they're calling others out on hypocrisy for such trivially "logical" reasons. You're ignoring the whole concept of living in a society based heavily on communication. The OP showed his opinion in a way that matters, by voicing it.Clive Howlitzer said:
EA being down $50 is nothing, and lacking an insignificant passive personal boycott of ME3 does nothing to invalidate the OP's point.
You guys DO realize that your rage here will accomplish nothing, right? BioWare said that this is the end for Shepard, but not the franchise, and when they make Mass Effect: Revengence 33 1/3, most of you will probably buy it, and then post again that THAT will be your last purchase from them. Condemned to repeat it.
Yes of course I've heard the phrase, but repeating an empty cliche means nothing. Actually think about it before you say "practice what you preach". Especially in this case, it's a superficial phrase with little real use. Don't just throw an expression at me and hope it'll do the work for you.Draech said:
The OP was not a call to boycott, it was rage against Bioware's recent work. It's not unnatural for someone to still be interested in the ME franchise after enjoying the first two; that in no way invalidates his arguments against TOR and DA2. Instead of trying to robotically find the most objective criticism by using tired cliches, actually attempt to see the circumstances at work here.
And again, $50 is nothing to EA. Hell, if an angry post on the forums makes someone just skeptical enough to not buy the game straight away, then that angry post is more effective than a single passive protestor.
There is nothing wrong with voicing your annoyance. I am fine with that. I just also mostly see that eventually you have to stop buying their stuff too. I mean, if everyone bitches about something but in the end, everyone still buys it, why would they change? EA only cares about money.Hobonicus said:
KOTOR was concluded, it was called the ending, I don't care what a sequel made by a different company said. I kind of see it as a company stuck with something they didn't want to happen, as all the threads of the first game were nicely tied up, it kinda makes me wonder if it was really their decision to kill him let alone bring him back.Lord Revan 117 said:
If ME3 sucks though, then I'll stop defending them.
And if this thread was "How can we boycott EA?" then that'd be a reasonable criticism. As it is, the two games he referenced were released after ME2, and (let's be honest) it's silly to boycott ME3 if you've already enjoyed the first two and want to finish the franchise.Clive Howlitzer said:
He was clearly fed up with Bioware, yet still invested in the Mass Effect series, and people shot him down because he didn't act stoutly rebellious enough. He brings up mostly conceptual subjective points about his annoyances with Bioware, and is criticized for not adequately partaking in some intangible big picture boycott.
He doesn't represent the population of Bioware protestors, only himself. Don't criticize a single person for failings that you attribute to a community, especially when that criticism is borderline off topic and stops discussion of the topic in favor of discussion of the poster.
You know, someone else actually posted that criticism. I just agreed with them. Yet somehow, we are having this argument.Hobonicus said:
It's funny how some people take a whack at Bioware, only to say that they'll definitely buy ME3.
Maybe instead of keeping this company you hate alive, don't buy ME3?
Just a thought.
Maybe instead of keeping this company you hate alive, don't buy ME3?
Just a thought.
Except that he never said "We should boycott Bioware". Being upset at Bioware's writing in their latest games does not automatically mean that he's obligated to protest by not buying their other games. That's just you arbitrarily assuming a motive. ME2 came out before the two games he referenced, it's silly to expect him to just drop a franchise that he's invested in because he's upset with other, more recent games.Draech said:
Is it so hard to believe that he thinks Bioware has gone bad yet still wants to finish the Mass Effect series? Is everything that black and white to you? He never claimed a moral standpoint, just that he was pissed off at Bioware and wouldn't trust any games after ME3.
After watching Star Wars Episode 1 I had serious doubts about the quality of Lucas as a director, but I'm not a hypocrite for paying to see the other films. I would be a hypocrite if I was morally against watching Episodes 2 and 3... but I wasn't, I was only skeptical of their quality. In the same way, the OP is skeptical about Bioware's quality and thus doesn't plan to buy their games. But it's not a moral issue, and he's still invested in Mass Effect enough to see it through.
Alternately, the reason people are particularly critical of Bioware is that they like Bioware games and prefer them not to suck.Shotgunbunny said:
Can you give some examples of these great quality games that Bioware became known for please.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Draech said:
But yes, yes I am. DA:O was mediocre. DAII dropped a little lower than that, with obvious gameplay problems interrupting the mediocrity. Nothing compared to the level of quality Bioware used to aim for.