Bioware *clearly* hates women and wants them to suffer

[BRex21]

Why do we have to have Jacob or an alien when there is a funny topgun on board...

Yes, because you know all women like exactly what you like, free will and personal taste has nothing to do with it, everyone should have to get boned by joker. All hail Jessica the Allwoman.

It's just totally nonsensical. Bioware do the same thing with Varric in Dragon Age. I'm not even sure they know they are doing it tbh. They probably think women like no personality and lots of pecs...

BUT ALL of there romance options have little more than a shallow cookie cutter personality and a nice chest, man, woman or Drell. They probably do realize they are doing it, because first The actors who played EDI and Joker were already flirty and they found a way to make it work, and two, its fricken hard to write dialogue for a character intended to appeal to a broad audience. Its not a matter of them just holding him away from you, its a matter of them having a very specific character in mind and not wanting to dumb it down to the level required to make him a romantic interest. In fact YOU probably wouldn't like it if they did that.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

BUT ALL of there romance options have little more than a shallow cookie cutter personality and a nice chest, man, woman or Drell. They probably do realize they are doing it, because first The actors who played EDI and Joker were already flirty and they found a way to make it work, and two, its fricken hard to write dialogue for a character intended to appeal to a broad audience. Its not a matter of them just holding him away from you, its a matter of them having a very specific character in mind and not wanting to dumb it down to the level required to make him a romantic interest. In fact YOU probably wouldn't like it if they did that.

I hear what you're saying, but they give themselves some wriggle room when they have multiple romantic interests. If you have just one, you're right, you need to shoot for a bland everyman appeal (Jacob Taylor, I am looking in your direction). But when you've got a range to choose from, you can let them be a little more eclectic and not worry about whether choice A is going to put off 75% of your audience because you've got choices B and C waiting in the wings. I'll throw my hat into the "Varric could/should have been romanceable" ring, with the caveat that I'd want him to stay Varric, and not become a dewy eyed sop the moment I first expressed interest in him. He was fine as he was. They wouldn't need to change him to make him appeal as a romantic interest. He ALREADY appealed as a romantic interest. A lot more than Emo the Wizard, Swarthy the Elf, and Ser Bible.

 

[BRex21]

BUT ALL of there romance options have little more than a shallow cookie cutter personality and a nice chest, man, woman or Drell. They probably do realize they are doing it, because first The actors who played EDI and Joker were already flirty and they found a way to make it work, and two, its fricken hard to write dialogue for a character intended to appeal to a broad audience. Its not a matter of them just holding him away from you, its a matter of them having a very specific character in mind and not wanting to dumb it down to the level required to make him a romantic interest. In fact YOU probably wouldn't like it if they did that.

I hear what you're saying, but they give themselves some wriggle room when they have multiple romantic interests. If you have just one, you're right, you need to shoot for a bland everyman appeal (Jacob Taylor, I am looking in your direction). But when you've got a range to choose from, you can let them be a little more eclectic and not worry about whether choice A is going to put off 75% of your audience because you've got choices B and C waiting in the wings. I'll throw my hat into the "Varric could/should have been romanceable" ring, with the caveat that I'd want him to stay Varric, and not become a dewy eyed sop the moment I first expressed interest in him. He was fine as he was. They wouldn't need to change him to make him appeal as a romantic interest. He ALREADY appealed as a romantic interest. A lot more than Emo the Wizard, Swarthy the Elf, and Ser Bible.

If you didnt need to change him then whats the problem? Oh wait, you mean they DID need to change him but only enough to make him romanceable. Of course that would mean re-writing him to never develop the Pseudo-romance with EDI or writing separate dialogue trees depending on if and when you start romancing him, but hey if 75% of the audience actually sees Joker as there partner of choice that might be worth it...
Of course if it weren't they would simply run the risk of making a less entertaining character, who was less liked by the majority of the fan base and less fun for the actor who played him.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Why do we have to have Jacob or an alien when there is a funny topgun on board...

Yes, because you know all women like exactly what you like, free will and personal taste has nothing to do with it, everyone should have to get boned by joker. All hail Jessica the Allwoman.

It's just totally nonsensical. Bioware do the same thing with Varric in Dragon Age. I'm not even sure they know they are doing it tbh. They probably think women like no personality and lots of pecs...

BUT ALL of there romance options have little more than a shallow cookie cutter personality and a nice chest, man, woman or Drell. They probably do realize they are doing it, because first The actors who played EDI and Joker were already flirty and they found a way to make it work, and two, its fricken hard to write dialogue for a character intended to appeal to a broad audience. Its not a matter of them just holding him away from you, its a matter of them having a very specific character in mind and not wanting to dumb it down to the level required to make him a romantic interest. In fact YOU probably wouldn't like it if they did that.

Way to take what I said completely out of context there...

It's annoying when there is always a great male character who seems to be always off limits for the female protagonist. Seth Green is married so I'm not sure that he would be flirting with EDI's actress lol he'd probably get into trouble...His wife Claire Grant wants there to be a jokermance in the game btw xD.

Alastair is a great example of them being able to have character progression and a romance at the same time.

PS: pretty sure there are not many people who like Jacob

 

[BloatedGuppy]

If you didnt need to change him then whats the problem? Oh wait, you mean they DID need to change him but only enough to make him romanceable. Of course that would mean re-writing him to never develop the Pseudo-romance with EDI or writing separate dialogue trees depending on if and when you start romancing him, but hey if 75% of the audience actually sees Joker as there partner of choice that might be worth it...
Of course if it weren't they would simply run the risk of making a less entertaining character, who was less liked by the majority of the fan base and less fun for the actor who played him.

I'm talking about VARRIC.

Joker would need to be a semi-romanceable character at best, ala Kelly Chambers, and you're right, it would kind of take the piss out of his EDI "romance".

 

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Jacob, much like a certain Blood Raven captain, is one of those characters who will probably be only remembered because of the meme that he created. Making a male romance with actual depth? Heavy risk.........................

Woman only having one romance option in BG2 was pretty bad, especially as the one they did get needed a serious slap. Although I think that Bioware were going to make a Valygar romance but it was cancelled. Quite ironic given the BG2 was and still is very popular amongst woman, This is probably why so many male NPC mods with a romance portion have been made by the modding community.

 

[Dendio]

Biowares decision to have the DLC character for Dragon Age 2 be a male says to me that they don't hate women. I would have preferred another female love interest but they added a male one. I think Biowares willingness to allow one to play as a female and love as a female puts them ahead of most software companies when it comes to telling the story of the opposite gender.

 

[BRex21]

I'm talking about VARRIC.

Joker would need to be a semi-romanceable character at best, ala Kelly Chambers, and you're right, it would kind of take the piss out of his EDI "romance".

I apologize, i missed that, although you did grab a quote specifically about FemShep and Joker to apply to the context of a game i never bothered with.
Still i will say my argument largely applies, as it is very hard to make a character both a romance option and an in depth part of the story. Particularly when, and i might be wrong on this, isn't Dragon Age 2 the story being told by Varric after they have gone there separate ways and he has been captured?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I apologize, i missed that, although you did grab a quote specifically about FemShep and Joker to apply to the context of a game i never bothered with.
Still i will say my argument largely applies, as it is very hard to make a character both a romance option and an in depth part of the story. Particularly when, and i might be wrong on this, isn't Dragon Age 2 the story being told by Varric after they have gone there separate ways and he has been captured?

Yeah but that's okay. After all, Anders and I...uh..."went our separate ways" too. VERY separate.

 

[mental_looney]

Shrug can't please everyone but I enjoyed those romances, but they have to appeal to w wide audience and fit any type or character the player wants to play they will probably never be able to have something that can please everyone.

 

[Zeraiya]

I completely agree with you and I do think that the women in BioWare's games should get some better romance options. I mean, like you said, in Mass Effect 2 the men got a Hot Bodied Sweetheart (Tali), a Hot Cyborg (Jack) or just a Hot Human (Miranda). Whereas the women got... a Frog Man, A Bird/Lizard Guy and a Stereotypical Black Guy. (That isn't meant to be racist)

(However I still believe that Garrus has one of the best romance paths in a BioWare game)

(Also, Fenris)

But other than those two... yikes we have some crap ones.

Can't be get some lovin'?

 

[BRex21]

It's annoying when there is always a great male character who seems to be always off limits for the female protagonist. Seth Green is married so I'm not sure that he would be flirting with EDI's actress lol he'd probably get into trouble...His wife Claire Grant wants there to be a jokermance in the game btw xD.

Alastair is a great example of them being able to have character progression and a romance at the same time.

PS: pretty sure there are not many people who like Jacob

BUT ALL of there romance options have little more than a shallow cookie cutter personality and a nice chest, man, woman or Drell. They probably do realize they are doing it, because first The actors who played EDI and Joker were already flirty and they found a way to make it work, and two, its fricken hard to write dialogue for a character intended to appeal to a broad audience. Its not a matter of them just holding him away from you, its a matter of them having a very specific character in mind and not wanting to dumb it down to the level required to make him a romantic interest. In fact YOU probably wouldn't like it if they did that.

Alistair was a pretty good character in terms of romance options important to the plot, probably in fact one of the best, but he was very much a person who would only appeal to a few as a romance option because of his very in depth personality. Now in order to make joker a viable option in ME2 this would virtually require re-writing the character and making 2 jokers depending on if he was romanceable, possibly more depending on the gender of the player character and when they decide to get involved, it would also involve re-writing the dynamic between EDI and Joker. This would include a large part of the dialogue which forms the basis of jokers personality that you love so much. The only way to make this work, is to destroy this character and start from scratch. As for the flirty behaviour, Seth green is a fan of Battlestar Galactica, and the generic hot robot chick played by Tricia Helfer. In the making of videos both of them talk about the chemistry the have in and out of recording. Its harmless fantasy and I'm sure everyone involved including Claire Grant realizes this, particularly since, as you pointed out, she wants there to be the option to romance a character who is essentially her husband.

 

[SilentCom]

You're a guy, how do you know that girls aren't into the male characters in the Bioware games? Also, you could probably blame media and public perception. Overall, who cares because they are just games. If you really wanted some kind of romance, I would suggest something real.

Captcha: Shiiva Polycrates

 

[BRex21]

Yeah but that's okay. After all, Anders and I...uh..."went our separate ways" too. VERY separate.

Hmmm, I guess I just never thought it was worth getting into a pointless romance in the game if i didn't like any of the characters. My grey warden didn't get laid, and while my Shepard chose Liara it was really just the choice between bland or outright terrible.
If you actually hate it, why do you feel this content is necessary. Would the game be better without the option?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Hmmm, I guess I just never thought it was worth getting into a pointless romance in the game if i didn't like any of the characters. My grey warden didn't get laid, and while my Shepard chose Liara it was really just the choice between bland or outright terrible.

If you actually hate it, why do you feel this content is necessary. Would the game be better without the option?

Well, let's clarify so at least we're on the same page talking about the same things. Do I think the content is NECESSARY? No, not really. Do I enjoy the games anyway? Yes, I do. Do I think the romances, specifically the female romances, could be done better? Yes, I certainly, certainly do.

I actually think Bioware, by and large, feature some pretty excellent writing in their games. I don't always think it's well employed (witness the primary story arc for DA1, which was hilariously hackneyed), but I think they're amongst the best in the industry at what they do. When it comes to the romances, though, they feel hopelessly childish and goofy. This is the kind of writing I expect from an Archie comic, not a developer with Bioware's reputation. So because I think they CAN do better, I feel they SHOULD do better. A well written romance could really add some emotional punch to these games. Imagine if I'd had to make the decision I did with Anders, and I'd been ATTACHED to the bugger, instead of eager to be rid of him.

Mostly though, it was just a spot of fun. I'm doing a ME2 replay right now with my Femshep, and I'm lamenting romancing the soporific Mr. Taylor. Why must I, you ask? Well, I don't want to get locked out of whatever becomes of this tedious romantic bullshit in ME3, and my Shepard is not a lesbian, and the alien sex thing makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

 

[FilipJPhry]

Well, we don't get that many good choices, either, besides Tali and Merril.

Morrigan was a *****, she constantly insulted my squadmates and was only amused by shiny jewelry. The only plus-side to her was that she had that "hot goth" chick look and dropped her pants in a matter of three dialogues.

Leliana had bland dialogue and was ginger. How do you expect to be incredibly religious and have no soul?

Zevran wasn't my cup of tea. His jokes came off corny.

Miranda was another uptight ***** who was always whining about her daddy issues and her genes. Only nice thing to say about her? DAT ASS!

Anders: ANDERS!!!11

Isabela is just a shallow party girl who is only down for a quick Whoo-hoo time and likes big boats.

Fenris screams Twilight. Nuff said.

Ashley is just another bigot who thinks the universe should bow down to humans. Surprised she never joined Cerberus. They're a perfect match.

Jack is just an emo chick. I've been with enough emos IRL to see where this was going.

Wasn't able to romance Liara in ME1 because my disc was stolen. Was able to do 2 playthroughs though. In ME2 was a surprise, but I wanted to stay faithful to Tali.

NOTE: Just adding some humor! Take it easy, gingers.

 

[The Forces of Chaos]

And yes you could KILL Tali sorry but it's true. The fact that people think thats okay while a romance with Joker isn't is just totally lol.

Joker is already in a relationship with EDI.

And EDI can be calibrated so that she won't break him! Match made in heaven!

Why do people have such a prejudice against disabled people having a relationship? It's kind of awful.

You really need to get a sense of humor, pal.

Just kind of sick of people coming out with that excuse like it isn't completely offensive that's all.

You need to lighten up and get a clue.

Sex is the pay off for a relationship in a game.

Funny how the Sebastion one still works then without sex... *gasp*

How does it work then?

It's a chaste relationship he will not sleep with fem Hawke becuase he has taken a vow of chastity however he is very romantic and it is a really nice dialogue line (not sure if that's the right term) Very nice and princely :3 Seb is one of their better romances I find. Unfortunate that he is a DLC.

I wouldn't worrie about that too much xXxJessicaxXx. There is a rumour that we go to starkhaven and see more of prince guys kingdom In a dlc or expanction.