Bioware *clearly* hates women and wants them to suffer
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Are you saying artificial intelligences don't deserve to have relationships? Shame on you! They're in love.xXxJessicaxXx said:Hate to break this to you but EDI is a computer
Why do people have such a prejudice against disabled people having a relationship? It's kind of awful.conflictofinterests said:
maybe i'm just a pervert, no... no maybe about it, but can you imagine the "romance" dialog between Femrevan and HK-47? how about the mind-blowing concept of the two body/10,001 mind orgy that would be "copulation" between Shepard and Legion?!?!?!?!?!?PonceyMcTosserFaic said:
and no, shale's just a *****
What? Femsheps had amazing options. Thane is one of the most interesting, most tragic characters who has some of the most dialogue in the whole game. Garrus is a lovable, dangerous badass with a vulnerable core. Jacob is... Well, like Miranda, nice to look at.
I didn't explore FemShep romances, but I'm gay so I guess I know what some women like, and I love the ME2 male love interests. Likewise with both Dragon Ages - Zevran, Alistair, and Anders are all brilliant, layered characters to explore romances with.
I really don't see your points at all. The options for males seemed a lot poorer. Ashley? Miranda? Isabella? Ugh. Saved only by the graces of Tali, Liara and Merrill if you ask me.
I didn't explore FemShep romances, but I'm gay so I guess I know what some women like, and I love the ME2 male love interests. Likewise with both Dragon Ages - Zevran, Alistair, and Anders are all brilliant, layered characters to explore romances with.
I really don't see your points at all. The options for males seemed a lot poorer. Ashley? Miranda? Isabella? Ugh. Saved only by the graces of Tali, Liara and Merrill if you ask me.
That's why I always play as a lesbian in Bioware games. I just wish Miranda had been into women. But seriously, none of the male romance options were appealing. I tried romancing Garrus in my first ME2 playthrough, but his romance scene was just so awkward. And attempting to romance Alistair is part of what made me hate him so much. I can find at least a little appeal in all of the female companions, but the males are intolerable.
So... you're a dude. And can I also assume that you're heterosexual? Because combine those things and you have someone who had no personal experience deciding if a male is attractive emotionally/physically/romantically/whatever. Essentially what you're saying is that you know better what women want in a relationship than the women themselves. What's to say that female players don't like these characters? Perhaps they find each and every one charming for reasons you twisted or didn't even bother to mention.
tl;dr - Perhaps you should let women decide what they like for themselves.
tl;dr - Perhaps you should let women decide what they like for themselves.
well, let me set them straight, as a female. listen up, nerdy guy game developers everywhere:New Troll said:
GIRLS LIKE NERDS. actually, girls LOVE nerds.
make the male romance options nerds just like you, normal guys with lives and stories and interesting things to say, and the romance-option complaints will be gone. i guarantee it.
I love Garrus. As a CHARACTER. But LOOK AT HIM.Thespian said:
I like to think I'm a pretty open minded dude, but this cross-species romance thing is a bridge too far. What's next for ME3? Elcor sex?
"Tentatively Aroused. Shepard, please remove your trousers."
No, I say, no!
Yes! This! Thankyou.Divine Miss Bee said:
I don't find Jacob McBlanderson interesting in the slightest. I although I know some people do I don't have a thing for aliens. More normal guys please.
Or at least don't pair up the only normal guy with a computer... -.-
I was going to Miranda first play through but Tali out of nowhere flirted me into the bed chambers. I also have a save with Jack because I heard she will HAVE hair and be more..uh..sane?because of it in part 3and thats fascinating to meSaltyk said:
A very fun post which makes some good points, points to you, friend.
Having not played Dragon Age, I can't comment on those games. I have played both Mass Effects though, quite extensively, so, here's my personal opinion on the matter.
I don't think Ashley, Jack, or Miranda were that interesting either.
I mean, Jack was kind of interesting (if a bit overwrought) especially through her romantic arc in which she learns to grow up a bit and takes the first steps toward recovery.
Miranda is hot, I guess... I mean not for me, but whatever, to each their own. Besides, she's still animated, so it's hard to actually be attracted.
Anyway, the only thing I remember about her is how much time the camera spent lingering longingly on her ass, in the worst case of pandering in the entire game. Besides that, she thinks she's hot shit but has (maybe) two moments of genuine competence in the entire game (outside of squad member status) and yet still manages to be a "woe is me" simpering charity case.
And Ashley? Ashley is worst of all. An unlikable racist ***** who jumps up to defend her belief systems when nobody fucking asked, and could you please not pipe in your "kill all the freaks" attitude in that snotty tone of voice while I'm trying to be diplomatic? She arrived on the scene as an unlikable *****, and she died an unlikable *****- because every time the option came up to nuke her I couldn't hit yes fast enough*. Kaiden's not much better, but his is a quiet blandness that can at least be ignored, while Ashely can't wait to let her ignorance be known.
* With the exception of one time for story reasons, when she was the love interest of a racist, "humans first" Shepard I made.
So, yeah, IMO, I don't think females are alone in bad love interests from Bioware. And, again, IMO I actually like Thane as a character, as well as a love interest. He's polite, tragic but professional, and spiritual without being preachy.
Having not played Dragon Age, I can't comment on those games. I have played both Mass Effects though, quite extensively, so, here's my personal opinion on the matter.
I don't think Ashley, Jack, or Miranda were that interesting either.
I mean, Jack was kind of interesting (if a bit overwrought) especially through her romantic arc in which she learns to grow up a bit and takes the first steps toward recovery.
Miranda is hot, I guess... I mean not for me, but whatever, to each their own. Besides, she's still animated, so it's hard to actually be attracted.
Anyway, the only thing I remember about her is how much time the camera spent lingering longingly on her ass, in the worst case of pandering in the entire game. Besides that, she thinks she's hot shit but has (maybe) two moments of genuine competence in the entire game (outside of squad member status) and yet still manages to be a "woe is me" simpering charity case.
And Ashley? Ashley is worst of all. An unlikable racist ***** who jumps up to defend her belief systems when nobody fucking asked, and could you please not pipe in your "kill all the freaks" attitude in that snotty tone of voice while I'm trying to be diplomatic? She arrived on the scene as an unlikable *****, and she died an unlikable *****- because every time the option came up to nuke her I couldn't hit yes fast enough*. Kaiden's not much better, but his is a quiet blandness that can at least be ignored, while Ashely can't wait to let her ignorance be known.
* With the exception of one time for story reasons, when she was the love interest of a racist, "humans first" Shepard I made.
So, yeah, IMO, I don't think females are alone in bad love interests from Bioware. And, again, IMO I actually like Thane as a character, as well as a love interest. He's polite, tragic but professional, and spiritual without being preachy.
you can romance Merrill as femhawk and you can romance Liara as femshep! it's all that i need. i play only as female characters that in to girls! taste the rainbow!
When I played as FemShep in ME2, I chose Jacob even though he was dull as dishwater. Call me crazy but I like to keep it within my own species. I wasn't about to get together with an igauna or a craggy rock monster. When I played as a male I wanted to romance Jack, because I was playing as a Renegade and she seemed like the right match, but no matter how many times I talked to her she always blew me off. Maybe she sensed that I was really a goody-two-shoes nerd masquerading as a badass.
Speaking as a straight male who has had one, people do, and they are pretty damn awesome.Dastardly said:
OT - I can kinda see where you're coming from OP, but there is a difference between Bioware hating women, and Bioware not being as good as writing relationships for women.
Oh and Anomen Delyrn? Fuck that guy. Seriously.
I was trying to find a clever way to include the word relationshep. But I couldn't think of one.
Agreed with this, and most of the thread.coolerthanice21 said:
I think what most people playing a Female BioWare romance find jarring is that some of their men are very forthcoming, playing the usual game of cat and mouse:On KOTOR and Mass Effect there's a lot of power play involved, Carth is forward to the point of being cocky, and Kaiden while meeker, he has that bit of insistence that gets annoying. Jacob gets the cake because in his romantic dialogue it's Shepard who actually sounds like she's throwing herself at him.
Of course that doesn't happen with Miranda and male Shepard, at least not verbally. Blame double standards and all.
Really? So you can't even find Tali attractive? You know, this isn't totally out there. You are forgetting the psychological theory "Exotic is Erotic."BloatedGuppy said:
Personally, I find Garrus attractive to the degree that I can find any pixelated thing attractive. Thane even more so. Lizardy abs, hell yes.
... That could just be me, but I don't think so.
Anyway, I thought we were talking about them as characters. I didn't think the point of the thread was that girls don't get enough eye candy in games. Because Jacob totally makes up for that anyway.
Wait, wait, wait. You're forgetting a few people.
Femshep - Liara
Femwarden - Leliana
Femhawke - Merril & Isabela.
All of which were perfectly acceptable substitutes for Kaiden or Anders or Alistair or whatever. The lesbian option might not appeal to everyone, but if you judged them on character rather then gender some of them are the better relationship options. Especially when its Liara vs Kaiden Sadface.
Femshep - Liara
Femwarden - Leliana
Femhawke - Merril & Isabela.
All of which were perfectly acceptable substitutes for Kaiden or Anders or Alistair or whatever. The lesbian option might not appeal to everyone, but if you judged them on character rather then gender some of them are the better relationship options. Especially when its Liara vs Kaiden Sadface.