BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

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mirasiel

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Zeel said:
I draw the line right here. You do not get to remove ESSENTIAL FUCKING content just to ship more fucking collector editions.

Fuck that. Anyone who agrees, send them an email at contact@Bioware.
I really hope you just give in and have angry hatesex with Bioware because you seem to have a seriously unhealthy obsession with them recently.

If I were a less generous person I'd think you were some kind of marketing shill-type for EA or their competition, I say that because I think you're doing more good for them (free advertising, didn't know there was CE DLC for starters) than harm but I can't be sure.
 

Steampunk Viking

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Zeel said:
Do whatever you want with your money. put it all in a jar and send it down the river for as much as I care. However, I wont have people like you coming in here adding dishonesty to the discussion. No, both side aren't equal, especially on the whole evidence thing.


1. Leak suggestion part of plot early on.
2. come janurary "oh shit it's a DLCCCCCC"
3. A very relevant character is a DLC. this is not some fucking no name mercenary. its a living a breathing prothean, everyone should get this!

The other side:

1. DO U HAS THE GAME? OMGOMGOMGOGMOGM PROOF PROOF PROOF.
2. SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL
3. OMG I PAID FOR IT.
You obviously do care or you wouldn't have spent half a day trolling this thread, but I digress...

I can't help but feel calling us idiots and unable to rationalised is a little comical considering you've resorted to the school boy, typical insult of "DERP, I DISAGREE WIV LOGIC, LOOK AT ME JAM A PENCIL UP MY NOSE!" towards us.

Look, you disagree with it, that's more than fair. I'm fine with it. Insulting people to make them see your view usually results in them doing the opposite though, so all you're doing is helping EA/Bioware, which is a beautiful irony. Plus, by insulting people to try and make them see "logic", you're more or less doing what you're claiming Bioware are doing, you know, take the piss out of people so they do things your way. It's quite funny.

If you're pissed off with it, don't take it out on us. Do something constructive, write to Bioware, write a petition, don't buy the game, whatever. Throwing a hissy fit on the Escapist isn't going to get you anywhere.
 

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Doc Theta Sigma said:
Every comment in this thread:

"WE SHOULD GET THIS EXTRA, COMPLETELY OPTIONAL CONTENT FOR FREE BECAUSE OF REASONS."
thats because its true. Such content should be free to begin with.
 

weirdee

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Y'know, they could probably avoid all of this annoyance if they just pretended that they hadn't been working on it for months, and then release a concentrated pack of awesome a month or so down the line, and appear to be really good at making a big chunk of content, and you'd all be worshiping them at none the wiser.

I don't try to pretend I understand a game's life cycle without even taking part in development...
 

ImmortalDrifter

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Zeel said:
No, both side aren't equal, especially on the whole evidence thing.


1. Leak suggestion part of plot early on.
2. come janurary "oh shit it's a DLCCCCCC"
3. A very relevant character is a DLC. this is not some fucking no name mercenary. its a living a breathing prothean, everyone should get this!

The other side:

1. DO U HAS THE GAME? OMGOMGOMGOGMOGM PROOF PROOF PROOF.
2. SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL
3. OMG I PAID FOR IT.
Since you've gone out of you way to do the classic "HAHA Look at how stupid I make them sound!" manuver, I will do the same.

1. OMG IT EXISTS BIOWARE SUCKS NOW!
2. THERE'S DLC! NO GAME HAS EVER DONE THAT! MONEY-GRUBBERS!
3. I WANT MORE STUFF WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT! BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

The other side:

1. The game isn't out, therefore you don't have the evidence neccesary to prove anything.
2. If you're not on the Bioware team, you don't know when it was developed, or for what reasons.
3. Paying more money is grounds for more content. Do you walk into a restaurant and demand free desert?
 

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I pre-ordered the standard edition before catching wind of this DLC, and as a result I'm a little disappointed. I'm not saying I should get it for free though, I'm not that naive.

My question is... if the devs put in extra work post-completion but before release, then why are customers who buy the CE getting it for free? Why the double standard?

I get that they can include whattever the hell they like in the CE, but this wasn't part of the equation when I decided what to pre-order. They've tacked it on, and thus I'm a little annoyed that Bioware aren't treating all their customers fairly.
 

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The Human Torch said:
Even though I find that picture amusing, it's very naieve to think like that. What if (in 1999) they already developed the first expansion pack alongside the original game? What if (the last "now" picture), the game is bigger than the 1999 game, including it's two expansions? What if a $15 expansion pack has the same amount of content as the $30 expansion pack?

Do you think that developers are less consumer friendly and profit driven than in 1999? Of course not, but thanks to the internet, these kind of business practices are made public more often than not. We were always walking wallets to them. A developer may have 'love' for developing games, but in the end that that love needs to be translated into money at the bank.
*I snipped out the picture, in case someone reading this didn't notice. Just scroll up a bit to the comment I quoted, you'll see it.*

See, the problem is that nobody develops an expansion pack at the same time or even immediately after a game comes out. I have never heard of a single instance of a game and its expansion pack releasing simultaneously. The other problem is that in the picture, each Mona Lisa may not be to scale in relation to each other, but they are certainly to scale with the bits being sold.

This isn't news to you. But surely you can see how this feels really abusive. What is EA's policy? That whole "Whatever, you'll buy it" attitude they had on South Park. The games never go on sale, are the slowest games to drop in price, the DLC never goes down in price, and it's usually roughly 10 dollars for any given expansion. And these are generally just one mission (Mass Effect Series), or an entire game mode locked off because you didn't preorder from Best Buy (lookin at you, Army of Two: TFD). For the same ten dollars, I could get on Steam, or in some cases Xbox Live, and buy a full game. These content packs EA sell manage to be small enough to not be "essential", yet expensive enough to make the asking price something of an insult. People have a right to some extent to be pissed off. Yeah, we could just ignore it, but parts are starting to get cut out of these games (project ten dollar), or purposefully held back in order to sell to us as DLC (this new prothean thing). EA has a right to charge us for the prothean. They can, that doesn't mean they should.

This business may be on the up-and-up, but it still doesn't feel right.It's as though someone runs a stable, and as you browse, you see lots of horses (of course). Many horses are sold there, and if you really like your horse, you can come back and the dealers will sell you either a full-on saddle, or perhaps horse shoes/extra saddle bags. You order a horse ahead of time from Mr. EA, a notoriously greedy and wealthy horse breeder. He brings out his horse and you see very plainly that it has a saddle. Suddenly, he snatches it up and hides it behind his back. "Here's your horse", he says.
"Hey, wait a minute," says you, "That horse had a saddle!".
"Yes it did, Mr. You, you're quite perceptive. See, this saddle is DLC, and you've only agreed to purchase the Standard Edition of this horse. The Collector's Edition horse recieves free horseshoes, as well as this here saddle pack. If you'd like your horse shoed and saddled, it will be ten extra gold for each service."
This is the point at which we find ourselves. Many people here are angry, that Mr. EA would try to keep saddles and horseshoes from them, then charge them ten extra gold for each at a later date. They're being forced to pay more gold at the whims of Mr. EA. He has the horseshoes now, there's nothing stopping him from just giving us the horseshoes or the saddle, he's holding them back, knowing that we'll pay him extra to get these things. We could ride a shoeless horse, or without a saddle, but we're missing things. The ride isn't as smooth, we can't ride as far.

This is why I buy all my horses from Mr. Valve. Mr. Valve doesn't really give a damn about me. He's got no more interest in me as a person than Mr. EA does, and his intent is no more noble. The difference is that Mr. Valve often puts his horses on sale. Mr. Valve has tons of horses that come with free horseshoes or saddles or whatever. Sometimes buying a horse from Mr. Valve will get you a free set of horseshoes or a saddle for a completely different horse. On occasion you get horseshoes for both horses, if you have one horse and buy another. Mr. Valve sells his horseshoes for a single gold coin, maybe two. He's even introduced a system on one of his horses (skyrim, the fanciest pony in the land) that allows rider-made horseshoes and saddles to automatically download, update, and install themselves on your pony each time you ride it. In fact, you can even search the whole warehouse full of horseshoes and saddles, all available for free, and keep track of the ones you like. Your horses and ponies even get groomed, updated if you will, free of charge, on a regular basis.

Can you see it now? Do you understand why people (including me) are pissed at EA on a regular basis? It's not because we're lazy, cheap, jerkwads. We're all lazy, cheap, jerkwads here.
It's because Mr. EA is an asshole. He's a penny-pinching, greedy little punk. He has a part of his horse he knows he can get away with selling to us for extra, and he's doing so. People do it all the time. Those people are entitled to do what they do, but those people are also assholes. Nobody likes them. Mr. EA can charge for the ability to make this prothean character a squadmate, along with some alternate skins. I think he's just being a money grubbing jerk, he's already rich and this is his chance to make even more cash on top of the boatloads he already will with the release of his new pony. He's made no attempt to hide his intentions, and although he's within his rights to do what he does, I consider him an asshole for his decision. I don't generally buy things from assholes. I don't care how nice his pony is. I like my ponies with all the available trimmings. This guy wants to upsell me these trimmings on a pony I've never even seen before. He's not giving me incentive, he's warning me about the consequences of not gettting the most expensive version of this pony as soon as possible. If I don't order the collector's pony, I'll get a pony, but I'll be missing on the trimmings. Hell, I'll miss out on bits of this pony if I buy it from the wrong pony-vending kiosk. Parts of this pony were ready before the pony's even been bred, but those bits have been witheld as trimmings, solely so that I would buy the collector's pony. I'm pissed about that stuff. I don't like paying this much more for a "completed"-feeling pony.
I'm going to buy this pony. Only this one time, because the mare looks good and I've already bought the mares that led up to this one. Might as well see it through to the finish. However, this long, tortured metaphor is my defense for my anger towards Mr. EA's business practices. He's an asshole, and I don't like buying ponies from an asshole pony breeder. When I buy ponies from an asshole pony breeder like Mr. EA, along with my beloved trimmings and saddle and horseshoes, it gives him the idea that we're fine with it. That we'll pay anything he wants, because we "need" our trimmings. We get systems like Origin, designed so that he can upsell us on ponies from the comfort of our own home. Now Mr. Ubisoft has got it in his head that he can sell us ponies that you can only ride while he's watching you. On top of that, he's tried to sell me the same damn assassin pony 3 times now.

So there you have it. Buying ponies from asshole pony breeders begets more asshole pony breeders. I have to suck it up, just this once, for the sake of this beautiful and majestic pony. That doesn't mean I have to like it when this guy tries to charge me for the pony's ability to trot, or to charge me 15 gold to ride my pony in a single new location.
With that, I'm done here. I'm going to bed, and in the morning I'll be checking the new Daily Deal over at Valve's Store for Trading Equines and Mares, or "S.T.E.A.M." for short.
 

Tom Artingstall

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Most likely EA was just being EA again. But frankly, I'm inclined to accept this explanation. For one thing, it makes a certain logical sense. And as a ME newb, I have no idea whatsoever who the Prothean are, and don't really care about whether or not I'm missing out on one of them in my squad if I decide to jump the bandwagon at this late stage in the game.
 

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Doc Theta Sigma said:
Every comment in this thread:

"WE SHOULD GET THIS EXTRA, COMPLETELY OPTIONAL CONTENT FOR FREE BECAUSE OF REASONS."

The character is in the game. Without having to purchase DLC. You get all his dialogue, interactions with others etc. The only thing the DLC gives you is the option to have him as a squad member.
Where did you hear this? Because this is the first I've heard of it.

And yes, it is because of reasons. Day one DLC (that is priced) is a giant scum bag move. Buying the complete package for this game will literally cost you over a hundred bucks. Not including the actual game.

It's something where people really do need to take a stand with this. They are squeezing every penny they can get out of the consumer. It's a sign from other companies that "hell, we can do this too".

And ten fucking dollars for one extra character in a game? I'm not buying it, obviously, but what kind of shit is that?
 

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"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete - and a huge game - right out of the box."
I so F***ing called this. This is what I was saying right from the start. It is a fan service, not some all essential content that you must have. Seriously people, get a grip.

He also noted that development on From Ashes did not begin "until well after the main game went into certification," a point Executive Producer Casey Hudson expanded on through Twitter [https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson].
Yeah, bull. I don't believe that for a second, but it really doesn't change what the content is.


Seriously though, a lot of posts in this thread disgust me. 'Half a game', 'Sheeple', 'Corporate apologists' - seriously, get of your F***ing high horse and get a grip of yourself. You are as damn greedy as the companies you are complaining about - if not more so.
A fan service that you really don't need, but you want because you like the series, and you're complaining about not getting it because you didn't order earlier. Yeah, you waited for the demo. Big. F***ing. Whoop. This content is meant for the fans who are very passionate about the game, and who would have preordered straight from the start - showing their support to developers and showing the publisher that the game will be bought. Now, because you didn't have faith in the game, and weren't that passionate earlier, you suddenly want something meant for people like that to be given to you free of charge.
It is NOT necessary content - and I see no reason that I ever would have considered it such. You do NOT need it - you simply want it 'cause it would be cool to have a Prothean squad mate.
Honestly, I can understand if you are unhappy that you won't be getting this. Calling the game unfinished as it ships without it (Except CE), and insulting any that disagree with you as they must worship corporations, just go with the crowd and walk up to CEOs and saying 'Please, take my money. You're a corporation and I feel sorry that people don't like you'. Honestly, its not that bad. It may be disappointing for you, but you know what? The world isn't going to end (Well, there is the Reapers, but Shepard's going to kick their ass), the corporation doesn't owe you anything, and the DLC is only $10. Yeah, expensive for DLC. If it means that much to you - buy it. If its not worth buying - it obviously isn't 'ESSENTIAL FUCKING content'.
 

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Paragon Fury said:
Hey Bioware?

What about your loyal fans, or anyone else who wanted to wait for the demo of ME3 or previews and therefore can't get a CE? What about them? Now they have to pay for content and get shafted out of other content too.
you would be paying more for the collectors edition than buying the game and paying for the DLC, plus the deluxe edition is available on origin if you're getting it for PC. and if they were truly loyal fans, they would have preordered a collectors edition before the demo anyway. stop acting so entitled.
 

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How about those of us who WANTED to get the collectors edition but couldn't because by the time they had the money for it it was sold out? That doesn't make me any less of a fan of the series... Actually, hold the phone, I would put any amount of money on the fact there is some rich 'tard somewhere who is buying the collectors edition and doesn't really give two shits y'know he just had the money lying around so why not, and there's some overly passionate fan who HAD to get the normal edition because they couldn't afford the extra whatever amount for the collectors edition/too late to pre-order/

Also, Zaeed was finished before ME2 was released, how is this ANY different from that? They could manage to send him off for free for those of us in their minds "want to destroy the used games market by buying new". If there is ANYONE convinced by this PR drivel note the bold text. THAT is why they should be releasing it for free with all new copies, they have done it before and there is no valid reason they shouldn't this time.
 

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All of this makes me so so sad. And not just this Day 1 DLC debate... all of it. EVERYTHING Bioware does these days gets criticized...

They're making a game? "They just want to steal my money!!!"
Sending free game copies into space early? "They are copying other people!"
Trying something new w/ DA2? "I wanted DA:O with the only change being a 2 at the end!"
ME3 has better combat? "Gears in Space. Durrr."

Is there ANYTHING they can do that would please you people outside of giving every game they ever make away for free?

It would be fitting if EA just set all of Bioware's offices on fire and sent every person working for them into deep space. Because MAYBE THEN this crowd of whining mongrels would realize how good they had it.

*sigh* Now I need a hug. 8'(