BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

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The Pinray

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The.Bard said:
Zeel said:
I swear I must look like such a badass to everyone reading this thead. Everytime you guys come at me with a new argument, I swat it away like god damn fruit flies. You guys have lost. Just admit it. ADMIT IT. THATS WHAT MAKES THIS SO HILARIOUS.

EVERY ARGUMENT I REFUTE, you guys just come up with new ones. MY STANCE has remained the same. you guys have been changing more than a god damn teenage girl.
I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. Just admit it guys.

admit it, admit it, admit it, admit it.



This one has forgotten whether its heat sink is over capacity. It wonders whether the criminal scum considers itself fortunate.
Guys, I think that post just confirms Zeel's lack of touch with reality troll status. I think he may be having as much fun as we are.

Scary thought.
 

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Fair enough. That's actually my line of thinking as well.

However, and let's face it here, if they had enough to time start, complete, beta-test, and bug fix a (as they put it) hefty chunk of DLC in between when the base game was completed and when it's set to release, then either it's not as "hefty" as they're implying or they started work on it long before the base game was complete.
Well I might be able to answer that for you. DLC is much easier to produce as it doesn't need to be tested as much, is shorter, and it doesn't have to ship with the disc. Bioware has been pretty open about how easy it is for them to make this stuff.

As for how hefty it is? I doubt the DLC will take anything longer than an hour an half to beat. They don't release super big DLC, it's mostly just adding a couple hours here and there to the game.
Well, depending on what kind of added content is put into the DLC, and what effect/place it has in the main games content, bug testing it can take fairly long. It's not that overly simple a process. So, unless they were just using assets already present in the main game (with a twist) it wouldn't be that quick to make and test. (which brings up another point of contention on the value of some day-one DLC, but I'm not going into it) That is, unless it's a rather small amount of content. Either way, Bioware's PR guy is BSing in one regard or the other.

Also, if this DLC is on the collectors edition disc, I will seriously start doubting the validity of Bioware's claims.
 

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Zeel said:
I swear I must look like such a badass to everyone reading this thead. Everytime you guys come at me with a new argument, I swat it away like god damn fruit flies. You guys have lost. Just admit it. ADMIT IT. THATS WHAT MAKES THIS SO HILARIOUS.

EVERY ARGUMENT I REFUTE, you guys just come up with new ones. MY STANCE has remained the same. you guys have been changing more than a god damn teenage girl.
I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. Just admit it guys.

admit it, admit it, admit it, admit it.
Here's a tip: Typing every fifth sentence in all caps and constantly yelling about how blind everyone else is doesn't make you look like a badass.

Very few things you can do on the internet will actually make you look like a badass, but this just makes you seem obnoxious.
 

anthony87

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Zeel said:
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Zeel said:
That and "Bioware is telling the truth". I'd sooner bite off my thumb than believe a word that comes out of the Bioware's PR team. Their entire job is lie to the consumer.
I'm sorry but wasn't it you who called EA and Bioware liars? The irony that the proof or facts your attempting to use against us and failing to do so, are coming from people who are in your words "lie to the consumer." This is a tad ironic no?

Because if you acknowledge the fact that they are not liars. You must also acknowledge the fact that Michael Gamble and other Bioware representatives used in this debate must be telling the truth. If that's the case then it's a fact that are telling the truth in this article addressing the Day 1 DLC.
Thikreen is a developer not the PR team. Plus his explanation makes sense. No I don't have to acknowlege anything. They are liars but not all the time. I think they are lying in this case well because; the evidence says the prothean was released in nov. They say jan. They are lying. It's really simple to put this together.
So they're liars until you say they aren't?
 

The.Bard

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Zeel said:
What guess am I presenting as "solid fact"?
Competently? Or like, at all?

Actually, a thought just occurred to me. Are we all talking about the Bioware script leak from last year? You're not here accidentally from CNN talking about the Wikileaks scandal this entire time in a case of comedically charged mistaken identity, are you?

Cuz that would be... man, that would be so awesome. We could write a play about it, and then act it out with finger puppets.
 

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Ok people first stop quoting zeel hes a troll and not worth the time or effort to try and reason with.
OT: this is like KSM and LotSB dlcs for ME2 neat game changing dlcs but not required to enjoy the game. oh and because no one else has pointed this out the dlc costs $10 the CE costs $20 more so for all you other people bitching that you need to pay $20 extra for the dlc please do your math your actually getting the dlc and the game for about $70. In fact if the CE didnt have other stuff in it id be rather pissed that im getting screwed out of money.
 

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The Human Torch said:
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Short answer: I like ponies!

Long answer: I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like ponies!

...

Okay, more serious now (still loving the horse analogy, even if it's not entirely correct):
I am not saying that EA is not acting like a complete arsehole, they are completely devoid of any moral and consciousness and show next to no respect for their target audience.

However, the whole horse minus the saddle example that you brought up, is not entirely the way it happened with the Mass Effect DLC. See my following points:
1: Someone accidentally put it up on X-Box Live, so if that never happened, no one would have even known.
2: It's "free", with the collector's edition. Like many other CE's, you get a lot of extra content, but that's what you pay extra for. World of Warcraft has pets with every CE, the Prothean is similar to that, in a way that it's 'cosmetical', it has no impact on the story, but just another addition to the team. The game is not incomplete without the Prothean. It's just a very shiny and rare team-member.

If you don't want to shelf out an extra 20 bucks for the collector's edition, but do want the Prothean, EA is giving you the CHOICE of paying 10 bucks for it, on release day. If having a Prothean on your team is a big deal, then this is for you.

Whether or not the Prothean DLC is worth $10 is an individual decision, seeing as how plenty of people bought that horse DLC for Dragon Age, for some a few bucks for something cosmetical is not a big deal.

Again, your game experience is not lessened by the lack of a Prothean, but it can be enhanced if you want. And color me interested. :)
You know what? That's fair. To be entirely honest, this is (in my case, anyway) an excuse for me to be extremely angry for a pretty silly reason. Also, it's a great time to make pony analogies (I've heard the mods just love pony posts). Besides, I already know I'm going to buy this game, collector's edition if possible, so any and all anger I express about the DLC is pretty much a moot point.
Normally I wouldn't risk a low content post, but I think in a thread this drenched in gasoline, it would be nice to have at least a couple posts where people explain their points of view rationally (or with pony analogies, as it were), and see things from another person's perspective. You make a good point, and better, you did so without attacking me, belittling my opinion, or calling me a troll (even if I was a bit aggressive with my choice of words).
A tip of my hat to you.
 

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ecoho said:
Ok people first stop quoting zeel hes a troll and not worth the time or effort to try and reason with.
OT: this is like KSM and LotSB dlcs for ME2 neat game changing dlcs but not required to enjoy the game. oh and because no one else has pointed this out the dlc costs $10 the CE costs $20 more so for all you other people bitching that you need to pay $20 extra for the dlc please do your math your actually getting the dlc and the game for about $70. In fact if the CE didnt have other stuff in it id be rather pissed that im getting screwed out of money.
Yeah...everything you said has been pointed out multiple times by multiple people.

According to Zeel we're all wrong.
 

The.Bard

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Zeel said:
here is the proof that leaked script is apart of content lockdown.

"QUOTE FROM SOME DUDE WHO WORKS AT BIOWARE"


I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite non-proof on the Citadel!
 

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Zeel said:
Llamazoid said:
Zeel said:
That and "Bioware is telling the truth". I'd sooner bite off my thumb than believe a word that comes out of the Bioware's PR team. Their entire job is lie to the consumer.
I'm sorry but wasn't it you who called EA and Bioware liars? The irony that the proof or facts your attempting to use against us and failing to do so, are coming from people who are in your words "lie to the consumer." This is a tad ironic no?

Because if you acknowledge the fact that they are not liars. You must also acknowledge the fact that Michael Gamble and other Bioware representatives used in this debate must be telling the truth. If that's the case then it's a fact that are telling the truth in this article addressing the Day 1 DLC.
Thikreen is a developer not the PR team. Plus his explanation makes sense. No I don't have to acknowlege anything. They are liars but not all the time. I think they are lying in this case well because; the evidence says the prothean was released in nov. They say jan. They are lying. It's really simple to put this together.
So you trust this Thrikreen is telling the truth when he says he's a developer, but not the PR team.
Now this becomes more convoluted as I need proof that he works for Bioware, since I'm wary of people online saying they are Nigerian royalty or are developers for game companies.
 

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Bioware, It's a fucking Prothean.

Just let that sink in for a bit and realize that IT'S DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO THE PLOT!

Sure Bioware, remove all the fancy outfits and extras, but for gods sake keep the plot relevant stuff with the plot!