BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

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Vigormortis

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animehermit said:
I in no way intended my post to be condescending, only informative.

ANd why would Bioware expect a shitstorm? They did the exact same thing in DA1 and no one so much as made a sound.
Okay. Maybe it was the overall tone of this thread and the "curse of contextless text" that made it seem that way. If that was not your intention, I apologize for insinuating as much.

As for Dragon Age, people did raise a slight ruckus after the fact. But, the Dragon Age instance had the fortune of having it's day-one DLC revealed on...well...day-one. Mass Effect 3's was revealed early. This, if other instances of early revealed day-one DLC are to be an example, tends to make people wonder why there's both the full game and extra content being released side-by-side. Most of the time, this sort of thing always creates an uproar among the fans. So, unless EA is blind to the rest of industry, there's no reason they couldn't see that this sort of thing usually creates controversy. (even if it doesn't affect sales)
 

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Zeel said:
dude, you're not doing it as efficiently as possible. Mention Tali or Garrus watch them backpeddle.
True lol, Tali and Garrus aren't even nearly as important as Liara seems to be story wise either.
 

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FelixG said:
Edit: Holy shit, 27 pages and a dozen insults thrown by Zeel, its pretty obvious the mods aren't doing their jobs
I think the mods are too blinded by tears of laughter and too busy grabbing their aching stomach at whats happened in this thread to be able to do it.

Shawn112 said:
As I said up the thread; too many paid marketing whores here.

Hiding behind an fascist meme that amounts to 'buyer beware' is not an opinion, it's paid propaganda.

This site might as well just have a picture of the staff sucking ea off...
I doubt anyone in this thread is being payed. Just because they don't share your opinion =/= they are secret Bioware employees.

that's the kind of argument used by someone who has literally no other possible argument to make.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
that's the kind of argument used by someone who has literally no other possible argument to make.
You could almost say that its a comment a Zeelot would make.

... I'm sorry, I'll be sitting in the corner, alone, if you need me.
 

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Shawn112 said:
As I said up the thread; too many paid marketing whores here.

Hiding behind an fascist meme that amounts to 'buyer beware' is not an opinion, it's paid propaganda.

This site might as well just have a picture of the staff sucking ea off...
Read a book about life in nazi Germany before you pretend that you know what facism is. Also yeah, people think differently from you, I hope that this isn't more than you can handle.
 

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LastGreatBlasphemer said:
So.....It's done, but I no can has? Fuck you. I was on the fence being that I was never that interested in Mass Effect before, but if they're claiming it's done, I'm off the fence, not buying.
You don't hold off a game's release just to put out Day one DLC. It's not kosher. It not only says fuck you to those who didn't buy the CE, it says fuck you to those who DID.
Jesus Christ 27 pages and you still don't get this at all do you. THEY DID NOT HOLD OFF THE RELEASE for day one DLC, the game was completed and was on the final stages of production, like bug testing certification, and burning to physical copies. that takes months to do. what do the developers do in that time? sit around doing nothing? move to a new project? or start making DLC? in this case they started making DLC, they worked their asses off to have it ready by release. this is not "fuck you" to anybody, and you know what? I LIKE this news because guess what, I GET MORE BANG FOR MY BUCK, that's right i preordered the CE and i did it back in AUGUST, i didn't have the money and only put down the minimum I could to reserve copy, and I paid it off a bit at a time when I had spare money. I just got news my CE is gonna be EVEN BETTER then i thought it would be back in august. this is a reward for being dedicated.
 

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To be honest, we all knew the answer beforehand. The reason for this is quite simply that with all the stuff being cut out of games and being sold for Day #1 DLC and extra money, there was no reason for Bioware NOT to do this since people buy it. For the cost of hiring some PR guy to put out a positive spin and take the brunt of the fanboy backlash, they can make an extra $10 a pop off of a huge number of people who will complain but will still hand over their money.

This is the price we pay when we support policies and trends we disagree with by giving over our money. What motivation does a company have to stop certain practices when it ultimatly makes them cash with no practical downside, the only thing they really have to worry about is just ignoring messages they were liable to ignore anyway.

It should also come as no surprise that a corperation is not going to come out and say "well, your all a bunch of idiots and will buy it" when that's the bottom line. Of course at this stage in the game, I'd imagine they COULD do that and people would still buy it. I've seen a couple of FTP MMOs, Fallen Earth being a notable example, where their item shop pretty much says this (read what some of the item descriptions say in the FE cash shop) and apparently people still buy them.

That said I do find it kind of funny that they are defending themselves by saying they didn't know about the DLC which was "developed seperatly" being ready on time, but did apparently know ahead of time for the CE.

All of that aside, my personal theory is that this DLC was originally intended to be an equivilent to "Project $10" like with Shale for Dragon Age Origins, but rather than using it for an incentive to buy new, knowing that ME3 is going to sell a ton of copies just from people wanting to see the end of the story (even if they hate the gameplay desicians), they decided to use it to pad the collector's edition instead of spending more money to develop something special for that, and otherwise charge for it as a DLC pack. Basically getting $10 a pop from those buying the game in general, rather than just from those buying it new.

I suspect we're probably going to see a trend where the $10 "first time buyer" content is only going to be for new properties, and established franchises that move a lot of copies in general are going to increasingly see everything possible pushed into the general DLC marketplace.

The big question to ask yourself here in complaining is, "is this revelation going to prevent me from buying this product?" if the answer is no, then by definition your approving of the desician no matter what you say, and are encouraging it for further releases. In the end this is a pass/fail equasion where Bioware/EA either gets your money or not, anything you say to justify it, or bellyaching, doesn't matter to them, all they care about is they have your cash in hand and havibng done it once, are liable to be able to do it again.

Such are my thoughts.
 

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I couldn't care less about this. If this is a way a company wants to conduct their business then they should be allowed. Unless a business is hurting someone, they should be allowed to make decisions how they see fit.

If you don't like it, shut up and don't buy it. The more people who do this, the less likely they are to do it again.

But of course so many of you just can't do that. You'll ***** and moan and buy it anyway and completely confirm their decision to do this in the first place.

The only thing I care about is the ridiculous voice the Prothean has.
 

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Mycroft Holmes said:
Joccaren said:
What do you actually know about this Prothean that makes him so essential to the story.
Well? I'm waiting.
The answer is pretty much nothing.
He is a Prothean. Big Whoop. Yeah, its cool for the fans of the series. Does that mean that the Prothean being a squadmate is 100% required for you to finish the game? No. It does not.
What do we actually know about Liara that makes her so essential to the story. Well? I'm waiting.
The answer is pretty much nothing. Shepard could easily have space googled prothean ruins to find Ilos and talked to some other prothean expert. And really how hard is processing a bunch of intel in a world with computers so powerful that they often become sentient. I mean its cool for the fans of the series but does that mean Liara being a squadmate is 100% required for you to finish the game? No. It does not. Lets remove her from the game.
The fact that in Mass Effect 3 she is a pre established character that is already within the story. We have been with her through 1 and 2, and she should therefore return in 3 as well, or an explanation be given as to why she did not.
In the first game, there was nothing that made her essential to the story that some other character couldn't have fulfilled. The story was, however, written with her as a major part to play in it as your squad member.
To the contrary, the Prothean does not have a major role written in for him, and he has not existed before now. He is non-essential.

For sure man, because content is only unimportant and nonessential when you say it is.
The point: X
You: -------------------------------------------------->

Joccaren said:
I agree with Biowares pricing of 'cool little add ons' I find 1/6th the cost of the entire game to be a great price for something so little and insignificant.
Ahh, so that Overlord DLC and such for ME2 is 1/12 of the game 'cause I paid $5 for it is it? In reality, its more like 1/120 going by how long I spent on it compared to the rest of the game.
Pricing doesn't work in a way where higher price means more content. This is old news.

On the side of it not being a big deal, we have Bioware's word, leaked scripts and the word of someone here on the Escapist who has read the leaked scripts, and his reasonings behind why the Prothean will be non-essential. If you want to read his post: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.351966.13938942