BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC
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Yes, there is that too. Bioware doesnt think we just need to hear about what happened, they think we need to hear about what happened in the view of either side of the event, at least one personal account and a mission report of some kind.SajuukKhar said:
OH NOZ! People buying the Collectors Edition are getting more stuff than the people playing $20 less! ZOMG what is the world coming to!?!??!?!?!
come on people...
"the CE isnt available anywhere! its sold out!!!!!"
I know. I found that out the hard way. Its my fault for not putting some money down earlier. A whole $10 to place a pre-order on a CE edition which I could downgrade or cancel entirely and get a refund if i didnt like the demo or the reviews that came out...
seriously people. can we use, as Hercule Poirot would say, 'our grey cells?'
come on people...
"the CE isnt available anywhere! its sold out!!!!!"
I know. I found that out the hard way. Its my fault for not putting some money down earlier. A whole $10 to place a pre-order on a CE edition which I could downgrade or cancel entirely and get a refund if i didnt like the demo or the reviews that came out...
seriously people. can we use, as Hercule Poirot would say, 'our grey cells?'
Oh dear. I read almost the whole thread, and I must say that I never laughed so much. This thread will be legendary, so I'll post here in order to be a part of it. So much drama, so many opinions! I just don't understand why do some people (whom I will not name, but it starts with "Z-" and ends with "-eel" [hehe, eel]) spend so much time arguing on the internet about this, despite the fact that the game is out in 10 days and when it gets out, we'll know the truth. No, argue on the internet!
Obligatory Mass Effect reference sentence: I am Commander Shepard and this is my favourite thread on the Escapist.
Obligatory Mass Effect reference sentence: I am Commander Shepard and this is my favourite thread on the Escapist.
I didnt see your question two pages back Zeel.
I dont spend most of my time on here and am playing games.
I dont spend most of my time on here and am playing games.
Oh sweet baby Jesus, I leave this thread for a couple of hours and now it's almost at the 900 post milestone? Jesus, people are really pissed about this aren't they?
...and you wonder why people don't take you seriously? Reread this and try to see why your point doesn't reach us.Zeel said:
Jeez, this guy is really making a name for himself on this site.
Also I just checked, a couple hundred more posts and this thread will be in the top 5 hottest threads of the YEAR.
Also I just checked, a couple hundred more posts and this thread will be in the top 5 hottest threads of the YEAR.
Why do I not have a hard time believing that? Oh yeah that's right, because when I refreshed when I came back from work it DID quadruple. Seriously, I'm surprised no one has had the ban hammer brought down on their head yet.TopazFusion said:
Hmm I wish I could say something but I rather not get reported for something stupid. So I won't say it, I will say that Zeel is bringing me laughter for his overzealous reaction to this.
Ahahahaha!
Twenty-four pages later and Zeel is still going strong. This guy should work in EA marketing - he's relentless.
We get it man, you and your proof are undeniable bla bla bla etc. But like I said last time we tango'd, you're not going to get anyone on your side the way you do things. It seems it still hasn't sank in.
I'll be over here, enjoying ME3 and all the DLC - you stay strong, man, and don't let the naysayers tell you your tinfoil hat isn't pretty!
Twenty-four pages later and Zeel is still going strong. This guy should work in EA marketing - he's relentless.
That is pretty much accurate based on his track record. Also, if you go into his profile and take a look at the posting history - anyone else seeing some sort of Bioware/EA-related stalking history pattern forming here? 8DTopazFusion said:This how I imagine Zeel at his PC . . .
We get it man, you and your proof are undeniable bla bla bla etc. But like I said last time we tango'd, you're not going to get anyone on your side the way you do things. It seems it still hasn't sank in.
I'll be over here, enjoying ME3 and all the DLC - you stay strong, man, and don't let the naysayers tell you your tinfoil hat isn't pretty!
Might as well join this thread to give my two cents?
OK well I?m boycotting Mass Effect 3 not because I believe it?s the DLC is unfair but because EA is basically trying to use its position to strong arm consumers into buying more products and abusing its position.
BioWare wouldn?t make this DLC if they weren?t owned by EA. (That is an assumption going off that the most developers... in fact all aren?t this abusive of customers.) The argument that they shouldn?t release DLC first day is because they spent time instead of developing this game but instead on the DLC. Now even if they say they finished the game then worked on the DLC... Well why isn?t the game out before the DLC was finished? why is the programming team working on the DLC when they could be fixing bugs on the ?finished product?. Well it?s not finished if they didn?t release it yet now is it? Why haven?t they released the ?finished product? when it?s in their interest to get the most money quickly to reinvest into their company (EA). It is because they want to get more money out of the consumer. Which isn?t bad but its damn unethical when they release a finished product with extra content separate that could easily influence the story.
Next main point and here is the big one ORIGEN. Now you must have ORIGEN to play ME3 on PC, essentially they are forced more software down consumer?s throats. That is annoying and obvious they want more people to use a horrible online retailer so they can try to get you to by more of their non discounted games that they don?t have to share in the retail price as with other competitors aka steam. So they block steam for selling ME3 so they don?t have to share sales, when they could of easily let steam sell it for 60 bucks and used an ethical way to get people to try Origen like I don?t know charge 55 bucks on Origen. I would totally take that incentive and buy the game, but no its just EA in the end trying to strong arm the market and get as much money out of the consumer as possible and I?m not having any of that. So go ahead and by the game, its your money, but remember when you buy this game EA will get the picture that they can keep pushing its consumers more and more little by little, and I?m not even going to try to guess what?s next.
Sorry about spelling or grammar, truly sorry, that is why I?m an Economy major and not English
OK well I?m boycotting Mass Effect 3 not because I believe it?s the DLC is unfair but because EA is basically trying to use its position to strong arm consumers into buying more products and abusing its position.
BioWare wouldn?t make this DLC if they weren?t owned by EA. (That is an assumption going off that the most developers... in fact all aren?t this abusive of customers.) The argument that they shouldn?t release DLC first day is because they spent time instead of developing this game but instead on the DLC. Now even if they say they finished the game then worked on the DLC... Well why isn?t the game out before the DLC was finished? why is the programming team working on the DLC when they could be fixing bugs on the ?finished product?. Well it?s not finished if they didn?t release it yet now is it? Why haven?t they released the ?finished product? when it?s in their interest to get the most money quickly to reinvest into their company (EA). It is because they want to get more money out of the consumer. Which isn?t bad but its damn unethical when they release a finished product with extra content separate that could easily influence the story.
Next main point and here is the big one ORIGEN. Now you must have ORIGEN to play ME3 on PC, essentially they are forced more software down consumer?s throats. That is annoying and obvious they want more people to use a horrible online retailer so they can try to get you to by more of their non discounted games that they don?t have to share in the retail price as with other competitors aka steam. So they block steam for selling ME3 so they don?t have to share sales, when they could of easily let steam sell it for 60 bucks and used an ethical way to get people to try Origen like I don?t know charge 55 bucks on Origen. I would totally take that incentive and buy the game, but no its just EA in the end trying to strong arm the market and get as much money out of the consumer as possible and I?m not having any of that. So go ahead and by the game, its your money, but remember when you buy this game EA will get the picture that they can keep pushing its consumers more and more little by little, and I?m not even going to try to guess what?s next.
Sorry about spelling or grammar, truly sorry, that is why I?m an Economy major and not English
Almost, but not quite right. I would say that a squad mate, its dialogue options (even if few ones) and a mission are not just cosmetic. Cosmetic is a new suit of armor or skins for weapons. Even exclusive weapons are not just cosmetic, but most people seems to be OK with that.The Human Torch said:Short answer: I like ponies!INF1NIT3 D00M said:
Long answer: I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like ponies!
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Okay, more serious now (still loving the horse analogy, even if it's not entirely correct):
I am not saying that EA is not acting like a complete arsehole, they are completely devoid of any moral and consciousness and show next to no respect for their target audience.
However, the whole horse minus the saddle example that you brought up, is not entirely the way it happened with the Mass Effect DLC. See my following points:
1: Someone accidentally put it up on X-Box Live, so if that never happened, no one would have even known.
2: It's "free", with the collector's edition. Like many other CE's, you get a lot of extra content, but that's what you pay extra for. World of Warcraft has pets with every CE, the Prothean is similar to that, in a way that it's 'cosmetical', it has no impact on the story, but just another addition to the team. The game is not incomplete without the Prothean. It's just a very shiny and rare team-member.
If you don't want to shelf out an extra 20 bucks for the collector's edition, but do want the Prothean, EA is giving you the CHOICE of paying 10 bucks for it, on release day. If having a Prothean on your team is a big deal, then this is for you.
Whether or not the Prothean DLC is worth $10 is an individual decision, seeing as how plenty of people bought that horse DLC for Dragon Age, for some a few bucks for something cosmetical is not a big deal.
Again, your game experience is not lessened by the lack of a Prothean, but it can be enhanced if you want. And color me interested.
Good, bad, important to the main plot or not, we are talking about gameplay here and not just the dog that follows you around or the pets in WOW.
I agree that EA is giving us a choice here - for ten bucks more you can have all gameplay content we produced for the game up to this date. Compared with what was on offer in the past (free Zaheed) and what's on offer from the competition (free update for the expanded edition for the Witcher 2) this is a terrible option.
From a consumer point of view, day 1 DLC is one of the worst ways to launch your game.
1. For some the game will feel incomplete (and that's subjective so you cannot say that that person is completely wrong),
2. for some it will look like a tentative to milk the fans' cash...
3. and to others it will feel like an opportunity.
The success of this initiative will be measured by how many people will identify with number 3.