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Elburzito

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MiracleOfSound said:
burzummaniac said:
To be honest, I'm more interested in Co-op gameplay. It seems like something that would fit perfectly into Mass Effect or Dragon Age.
I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
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Well...erm...hmm..
I guess you changed my mind...
 

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This doesn't sit well with me. People tend to follow trends when they're not sure who they are, and games tend to follow trends when they don't know what they want to be.

But I find that hard to believe. Mass Effect 2 was built around feedback, and there's been no shortage of feedback for it either.

If Bioware are short on ideas, then all they have to do is open a few forums on their website, so why would they be at such a loss as to include such a generic and unfitting thing as multiplayer?. Maybe as a side feature, but good multiplayer takes a lot of attention, attention they should be using on upgrading the gameplay, writing a powerful story, or removing that goddamn Paragon/Renegade meter
 

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I am not even bothering with the first part, because you will jsut twist it because of how it isnt a guy screaming at the screen the exact goings on, its retty easy to see an know whats happening, you dont need the guy to tell you.
I was twisting nothing. I just implied anything is possible, and judging a game based on a 60 second trailer is not very commendable.

this isnt my name said:
They listened ? No that didnt slip my mind, maybe it sliped yours that eople said the inventory was cluttered, so instead of simplifying it, they removed it.
Pple disliked how exploring planets felt the same, they removed exploration.
Thats like going to a dr for a broken toe and them amputating my foot.
Also its clear they ont listen, no one asked for ME2 to be a dumbed down rpg, that was more TPS, I know plenty of people who hated it, and its obvious BW dont listne, look at the direction DA2 hass taken, dont remember eople asking for any of it.
ME's Lead Designer Christina Norman already said (in a presentation titled 'Where Did My Inventory Go?' nonetheless) that they are going for more combat options and RPG features; they've also been working on bringing back vehicle-based exploration as implemented in the Overlord DLC pack. So I'll hold my horses about calling ME3 a 'dumbed down RPG', before, you know, IT COMES OUT.

Also, DA is developed by an entirely different team, and doesn't even share the same engine (ME3 has a separate custom UE3 engine) - so don't try to form any kind of correlation.


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No idea why you quoted the halo part then went on about EA, I am guessing you think they will milk Mass effect, probablly will, EA likes rining things.
Yes, they probably will, but at least BioWare is leaving less of an opening for repetition. Any extended universe branching out from ME will at least have to come up with their own antagonists. And considering the ME universe is rather rich, it's going to be much more interesting with many more possibilities, instead of Halo's routine Human vs Covenant vs Flood.
 

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If Bioware is smart with their marketing (which I am sure they are) then any Mass Effect multiplayer will be in a separate game/expansion. And even if they did put it in ME3, most people are probably going straight for the story first.

Those pics could easily be fake too. Though I guess everyone knows that by now.
 

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this isnt my name said:
VulakAerr said:
After being initially skeptical toward ACB and then being pleasantly surprised, I'm going to keep an open mind here. Overall though, nothing I know of will keep me from getting ME3. I get goosebumps just thinking about the conclusion to this story. :)
You mean the story where the writers will pull some crap so you can win, even though logically you should lose ? The same crp they pulled throught ME1 and got worse in 2.
Really? I think you're forgetting the end to ME2 where...

Pretty much the only people that survived were Joker and Shepard. Pretty much the whole crew died. you get to keep like three people.
 

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For the people mentioning co-op.

How on earth can you possibly make it work on Mass Effect?

I see no way to make a game like that work as co-op. There is only one shepard. I cannot see how adding a luigi to the game can possibly work out without chainging the game completely.
 

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this isnt my name said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
I am not even bothering with the first part, because you will jsut twist it because of how it isnt a guy screaming at the screen the exact goings on, its retty easy to see an know whats happening, you dont need the guy to tell you. Also geth are no longer with reapers.

They listened ? No that didnt slip my mind, maybe it sliped yours that eople said the inventory was cluttered, so instead of simplifying it, they removed it.
Pple disliked how exploring planets felt the same, they removed exploration.
Thats like going to a dr for a broken toe and them amputating my foot.
Also its clear they ont listen, no one asked for ME2 to be a dumbed down rpg, that was more TPS, I know plenty of people who hated it, and its obvious BW dont listne, look at the direction DA2 hass taken, dont remember eople asking for any of it.

No idea why you quoted the halo part then went on about EA, I am guessing you think they will milk Mass effect, probablly will, EA likes rining things.
The trailer doesn't tell you anything except that Earth is under attack and you will try to save it. There have been tons of video game marketing campaigns that talk about Earth under attack, only to have that be a minor side mission. Look at Halo. Hell, Halo 3's ending was totally different from what the Believe campaign implied. In any event, the trailer certainly does nothing to imply that you will be successful at fighting the Geth. I viewed it more as Shepherd is given a suicide mission and has to try. Also, Sovereign went down pretty easy once he landed on the Citadel.

Secondly, there could be Geth that you missed in ME2 allied with the Reapers, I would not be surprised, considering how easily the Reapers seem to make allies (Saren, a few Krogan, other scientists, Asari, the Geth). It certainly seems that there's no shortage of mercenaries or groups of scientists willing to do anything for money or power in the ME universe.

And I also completely disagree about your interpretation of how BioWare handled complaints.
They didn't remove the inventory, they simplified it. They distilled the differences in the guns down to the few practical things you actually cared about. Instead of 60 pistols, each a slight variation of shooting fast or shooting hard, they gave you 2 pistols. One shoots a lot of less powerful bullets, the other shoots a few powerful bullets. The same with the other types of guns. Now you have much fewer decisions to make, but they affect play style more. In Mass Effect 1, you just chose whichever gun you had with the highest roman numeral next to it. In 2, you don't have a best option, just a preferred option.
They didn't remove exploration, they just cut out the generic, one planet per system, box of exploration and instead put in a few interesting, if in some cases short, side quests. Exploring a few wrecks was fun. The few non combat solo missions were fun. It was much better than the original "here's the one planet we land on. It has 4 mineral deposits, one prothean artifact, one crashed probe and one pirate base. You'll get a large number of credits and some gear that is worthless for doing it" method.

ME2 wasn't "dumbed down," it was streamlined. The focus was more on playing the fun parts and having something to do, rather than the original. Gunplay in 1 was boring, you just pulled the trigger until the bad guy fell down. In 2, you had to aim and think tactically. Biotic powers were much more of an investment and required more skill than in 1, not to mention, were more satisfying. Conversations now had the possibility of interrupts, so you were forced to pay close attention and keep up.

The only people I know who didn't like 2 are strangers online, who tend to *****. Everyone I know personally who played it, loved it.
 

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Faladorian said:
this isnt my name said:
VulakAerr said:
After being initially skeptical toward ACB and then being pleasantly surprised, I'm going to keep an open mind here. Overall though, nothing I know of will keep me from getting ME3. I get goosebumps just thinking about the conclusion to this story. :)
You mean the story where the writers will pull some crap so you can win, even though logically you should lose ? The same crp they pulled throught ME1 and got worse in 2.
Really? I think you're forgetting the end to ME2 where...

Pretty much the only people that survived were Joker and Shepard. Pretty much the whole crew died. you get to keep like three people.
You do realize that was only if you didn't do the loyalty missions..? For me everyone survived, even the crew.
 

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For all those saying it shouldn't have multiplayer I would like to point out Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. That had people complaining because before it was purely a single player game yet it's multiplayer has becomene of the most unique forms of multiplayer game play yet.
 

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Korten12 said:
Faladorian said:
this isnt my name said:
VulakAerr said:
After being initially skeptical toward ACB and then being pleasantly surprised, I'm going to keep an open mind here. Overall though, nothing I know of will keep me from getting ME3. I get goosebumps just thinking about the conclusion to this story. :)
You mean the story where the writers will pull some crap so you can win, even though logically you should lose ? The same crp they pulled throught ME1 and got worse in 2.
Really? I think you're forgetting the end to ME2 where...

Pretty much the only people that survived were Joker and Shepard. Pretty much the whole crew died. you get to keep like three people.
You do realize that was only if you didn't do the loyalty missions..? For me everyone survived, even the crew.
Don't forget the upgrading of the Normandy... pain in the arse, that one...
 

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JasonBurnout16 said:
For all those saying it shouldn't have multiplayer I would like to point out Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. That had people complaining because before it was purely a single player game yet it's multiplayer has becomene of the most unique forms of multiplayer game play yet.
There is a significant difference. How long was Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood's campaign? How many characters and angles were developed? ME2 has quite a large amount of dialogue and is a relatively long game by today's standards. Most multiplayer games cannot claim this based upon their single player.
 
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MiracleOfSound said:
burzummaniac said:
To be honest, I'm more interested in Co-op gameplay. It seems like something that would fit perfectly into Mass Effect or Dragon Age.
I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
'Fuck off, I haven't seen this bit'
'Ya but it's a crap conversation'
'Shut up'
'Pick Renegade!'
'No I want to go paragon'
'Goddamn it I hate this stupid game, it was way more fun playing by myself'
That's hilarious! And what's worse is I can see it totally happening.
I don't want the experience of playing my Shepard, that I've built up over the previous two games, ruined by others.
 

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Bourne Endeavor said:
JasonBurnout16 said:
For all those saying it shouldn't have multiplayer I would like to point out Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. That had people complaining because before it was purely a single player game yet it's multiplayer has becomene of the most unique forms of multiplayer game play yet.
There is a significant difference. How long was Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood's campaign? How many characters and angles were developed? ME2 has quite a large amount of dialogue and is a relatively long game by today's standards. Most multiplayer games cannot claim this based upon their single player.
So just because it has a decently sized story, that makes a game unacceptable for multiplayer? That makes very little sense to me. Also, I could totally see BioWare taking a similar approach to multiplayer that AC:B did. Namely: creating a scenario within the ME universe, yet distinctly separate from the storyline. Something like a mulitplayer version of Pinnacle Station. I think that would serve well for the multiplayer content and already has a well established role in the ME canon.
 

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Programmed_For_Damage said:
MiracleOfSound said:
burzummaniac said:
To be honest, I'm more interested in Co-op gameplay. It seems like something that would fit perfectly into Mass Effect or Dragon Age.
I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
'Fuck off, I haven't seen this bit'
'Ya but it's a crap conversation'
'Shut up'
'Pick Renegade!'
'No I want to go paragon'
'Goddamn it I hate this stupid game, it was way more fun playing by myself'
That's hilarious! And what's worse is I can see it totally happening.
I don't want the experience of playing my Shepard, that I've built up over the previous two games, ruined by others.
Eeeeeexactly.... glad you agree. I've no prob with Bioware doing Multiplayer games but please, not for ME3.
 

DustyDrB

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I've said it before: Wait until after the trilogy is complete to start on multiplayer in the franchise.

I hope they do so. EA has said that single-player only games are a thing of the past, though.
 
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Not interested in any form of Mass Effect multiplayer at all. And if they include multiplayer in Mass Effect 3, I will not touch it, because I do not care. And nothing they say will make me care.

If its a spin-off, thats fine. But if its part of the actual game, then unless it does something unique(and it doesn't exactly start out well since its a sci-fi shooter, a genre firmly dominated by Halo), people will play it for a month, then go back to Halo/Call of Duty.
 

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this isnt my name said:
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Yes ME1 pulled crap, seren destoyed the beacon, only to keep one that he had no use or.
Benezia went from powerful biotec, to opening doors before collapsing.
The beacon blew itself up, not Saren and generally shooting people several times limits their Biotic power.

this isnt my name said:
Yes the reaers should win, you see ME1 soverign destroyed most of the citadel fleet, that is one reaper, there are hundreds if not thousands. Logically they should win.

No its not. Before halo reach, we had a book on reach, where we knew the planet gets glassed. The ending of halo reach was still amazing, despite knowing it was a battle you couldnt win.
Okay, two points:
1) The Reapers might win anyway, this is the Mass Effect Trilogy after-all, it wasn't going to end in ME2.
2) Halo Reach was one battle in a massive war, the good guys won in the end.
Yes I a well aware its a trilogy...

2 Reach was its own story, and it ended with you losing, the oint it, it dosent feel bad.
And the good guys didnt win, the halos never went off, the flood could still exist, the elites left the covenant but it is still a threat, just no longer has the prophets. I wouldnt ay they won, just suspened the fighting for a bit.
Mass Effect was CLAIMED FROM THE BEGINNING to be a trilogy, pretty shit trilogy if the bad guys won in the first game when their goal is to destroy all life in the universe.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
burzummaniac said:
To be honest, I'm more interested in Co-op gameplay. It seems like something that would fit perfectly into Mass Effect or Dragon Age.
I couldn't disagree more.

'Jesus skip the dialogue'
'Fuck off, I haven't seen this bit'
'Ya but it's a crap conversation'
'Shut up'
'Pick Renegade!'
'No I want to go paragon'
'Goddamn it I hate this stupid game, it was way more fun playing by myself'

You need to get better friends to play with, Soundwave... ;)