Bioware forums explode as Mass Effect 3 ending details are leaked. *MINOR SPOILERS*
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I feared a deus ex machina, well, not that much since we got the News that we'd have to install the Origin Malware on our Computers to play it so i'm not going to buy it.
Nevertheless, i liked the first two Games, mostly because Bioware actually put some Story in them.
But there are some Instances in the Games where a Plotpoint or even a moral Choice falls flat on its Ass. There are some glaring holes in the Stories of both Games.
I believe that there's a possibility that Bioware could deliver an Ending to the Series that feels rewarding and deals with a threat to the entire Galaxy without too much of a deus Ex Machina.
On a more realistic Note, when has there been a Game with only one "bad" or maybe several "bad" endings that doesn't have glaring Plotholes?
Fallout 3, Ending without the "Broken Steel" DLC. My Character needs to shut something down that would explode and do irreparable damage to the magical machine that will make clean drinking water for the post nuclear wasteland. To do so, someone must go in a radiation filled chamber and push the off button. The Radiation will kill you, but the off button must be pushed NAO!
So you can tell your Lady Friend, who wears a Power Armor which offers some Radiation Resistance to go in there or you can go in there yourself. Those option will be reflected in the ending Narration.
However, you can have another Companion, a so called "Super Mutant". You get him in the Main Story and radiation can't do anything to him. This is a Trait that is used about an hour or so before the ending, where he goes into a radiation filled Room to get an item for you.
And there he stands and everyone in the Room is oblivious to the Fact that no one needs to be sacrificed because the Super Mutant can just go in there and shrug off the Radiation.
Mistakes like this had the tragic Sacrifice fall right on its Ass.
The first DLC for Fallout 3 contained a fix for this, where it was revealed that the Character just went into a Coma. And with the DLC, you could send the Super Mutant in.
Regardless, you go into a Coma because there was an energy spike or something. Bleh.
If i get the Happy Ending and i "worked" for it, i leveled my character, thought about where to put Points to make my Character more effective, played extra missions to get money to buy better items and all that i will be less critical because then *i* did everything right.
If i did everything right and i get a "bittersweet" or "bad" ending i want to know what went "wrong". And if the Game throws something at me that is not very well thought out, like the Mutant that is impervious to radiation not being able to go to a place that too much radiation for a mere human this will catapult me out of the Experience.
If i get the "bad" ending, i'd like to be able to think about how the Character would feel. If the Character is responsible for the Death of someone innocent, excluding about a million Merceneraies i sniped from the next town over, (s)he'd be asking what went wrong, what could've have been done better. And coming up with no Answer.
If i get a "bad" ending, i don't want to be able to think of something that could have been done in about 30 seconds, which made the Choice of squadmates on "Virmire" in Mass Effect 1 really stupid. You rescue the Squadmate whom you send with the Group of Alien People, it's not a Choice, its like rescue 20 or rescue one. Arg! And: i could've rescued both. How many times have i killed everyone that came out of one of those Badguy Dropships before?
And i can't throw the nuke down from Orbit? or maybe with a remote controlled Shuttle?
I have to set it up in the backyard under the clear sky?
Well, this made the moral Dilemma laughable. If i get the good ending, i'll be less critical of any deus ex machina.
If i get a bad ending, i want a Explanation as to why this and that had to happen, other then Deus ex Machina.
Nevertheless, i liked the first two Games, mostly because Bioware actually put some Story in them.
But there are some Instances in the Games where a Plotpoint or even a moral Choice falls flat on its Ass. There are some glaring holes in the Stories of both Games.
I believe that there's a possibility that Bioware could deliver an Ending to the Series that feels rewarding and deals with a threat to the entire Galaxy without too much of a deus Ex Machina.
On a more realistic Note, when has there been a Game with only one "bad" or maybe several "bad" endings that doesn't have glaring Plotholes?
Fallout 3, Ending without the "Broken Steel" DLC. My Character needs to shut something down that would explode and do irreparable damage to the magical machine that will make clean drinking water for the post nuclear wasteland. To do so, someone must go in a radiation filled chamber and push the off button. The Radiation will kill you, but the off button must be pushed NAO!
So you can tell your Lady Friend, who wears a Power Armor which offers some Radiation Resistance to go in there or you can go in there yourself. Those option will be reflected in the ending Narration.
However, you can have another Companion, a so called "Super Mutant". You get him in the Main Story and radiation can't do anything to him. This is a Trait that is used about an hour or so before the ending, where he goes into a radiation filled Room to get an item for you.
And there he stands and everyone in the Room is oblivious to the Fact that no one needs to be sacrificed because the Super Mutant can just go in there and shrug off the Radiation.
Mistakes like this had the tragic Sacrifice fall right on its Ass.
The first DLC for Fallout 3 contained a fix for this, where it was revealed that the Character just went into a Coma. And with the DLC, you could send the Super Mutant in.
Regardless, you go into a Coma because there was an energy spike or something. Bleh.
If i get the Happy Ending and i "worked" for it, i leveled my character, thought about where to put Points to make my Character more effective, played extra missions to get money to buy better items and all that i will be less critical because then *i* did everything right.
If i did everything right and i get a "bittersweet" or "bad" ending i want to know what went "wrong". And if the Game throws something at me that is not very well thought out, like the Mutant that is impervious to radiation not being able to go to a place that too much radiation for a mere human this will catapult me out of the Experience.
If i get the "bad" ending, i'd like to be able to think about how the Character would feel. If the Character is responsible for the Death of someone innocent, excluding about a million Merceneraies i sniped from the next town over, (s)he'd be asking what went wrong, what could've have been done better. And coming up with no Answer.
If i get a "bad" ending, i don't want to be able to think of something that could have been done in about 30 seconds, which made the Choice of squadmates on "Virmire" in Mass Effect 1 really stupid. You rescue the Squadmate whom you send with the Group of Alien People, it's not a Choice, its like rescue 20 or rescue one. Arg! And: i could've rescued both. How many times have i killed everyone that came out of one of those Badguy Dropships before?
And i can't throw the nuke down from Orbit? or maybe with a remote controlled Shuttle?
I have to set it up in the backyard under the clear sky?
Well, this made the moral Dilemma laughable. If i get the good ending, i'll be less critical of any deus ex machina.
If i get a bad ending, i want a Explanation as to why this and that had to happen, other then Deus ex Machina.
From the spolers I read, it is a perfectly fine endling. It is just no "flawless victory". I think people are making a far too big fuzz about this.
I must agree. The main reason people are pissed about this is because they don't get to spend eternity with their bang buddy of choice.rofltehcat said:
I tracked the bioware forums for a few hours last night and that seems to be the main reason these endings are so hated.
and the problem is ....?
your Shepard doesn't getta shag the hot alien you picked out?
-.- really .... the endings make sense given the context, you don't go into a battle with the stakes as high as this and expect to walk away clean
your Shepard doesn't getta shag the hot alien you picked out?
-.- really .... the endings make sense given the context, you don't go into a battle with the stakes as high as this and expect to walk away clean
"It's not the ending that counts, it's the journey you take to reach that final destiny..."
Philosophical BullS.!!! xD
Philosophical BullS.!!! xD
Ah, another Thing: Since Mass Effect is supposed to be a Trilogy, didn't we get some "Bittersweet" Endings already? We saved the Day, but the Threat is still looming. In the second Game we didn't even get to fight a Reaper, only Henchmen. And stupid Henchmen at that, with one Spacestation and one pathetically weak Cruiser. And the Reaper threat still looms.
Also, we did get a bad ending with the arrival DLC. Which falls flat on its Ass, of course. Earth's mass relay was encased in the Moon of Pluto, Charon. A Mass of Ice so massive that it collapsed into a sphere. And the "Alpha Relay" is destroyed when you throw a comparatively tiny rock at it.
But whatever. After all those bad Endings a good one might be in Order. Or maybe Bioware is just trolling.
Also, we did get a bad ending with the arrival DLC. Which falls flat on its Ass, of course. Earth's mass relay was encased in the Moon of Pluto, Charon. A Mass of Ice so massive that it collapsed into a sphere. And the "Alpha Relay" is destroyed when you throw a comparatively tiny rock at it.
But whatever. After all those bad Endings a good one might be in Order. Or maybe Bioware is just trolling.
I'm not particularly pleased about how the crew of the Normandy end up. Seems a bit of a useless plot device really. I don't however, mind the destruction of the mass relays. Sure it sets civilisation back a long way, but it means that the races can grow as a whole on their own when they're ready for it instead of it being thrust upon them by an external force. So in general I don't really mind this ending.
Anyway, enough about me fanboying about the story.
Anyway, enough about me fanboying about the story.
Besides all your squad memebrs leaving on that shuttle for that mission there aren't any real plotholes in the ME games.Madman123456 said:
I know people think there are but I can tell you the answer to all of them.
If this is true, one thing is really sad.
I already didn't think they used saves from ME1 in ME2 enough ... basically, what people you left to die in ME1 were just missing, making ME2 that much more empty. They conveniently forgot about Rachni, but they at least acknowledged you had a save game from before.
These assumed ME3 endings however have EXACTLY 0 connection to any kind of past.
Save game or no save game, they completely ignored the complexity of dual saved games (ME1 and ME2) and just force a fixed cannon ending onto you, only influenced by ME3.
How do Rachni influence the end, who never seemed to need relays to travel in space? What about people you save? People you sacrificed? Will the fact you killed everyone in ME2 because you gave them wrong jobs matter?
No. It will not matter at all. Maybe some dialogue will change a bit, that's it. Rachni queen left for Andromeda apparently. The Geth are on vacation. Liara is back and if you didn't buy DLC you will freaking wonder why.
They coped out on design complexity but the PR rolled like they took no shortcuts. Doctors my ass, they only have a PhD in dishonest marketing.
I already didn't think they used saves from ME1 in ME2 enough ... basically, what people you left to die in ME1 were just missing, making ME2 that much more empty. They conveniently forgot about Rachni, but they at least acknowledged you had a save game from before.
These assumed ME3 endings however have EXACTLY 0 connection to any kind of past.
Save game or no save game, they completely ignored the complexity of dual saved games (ME1 and ME2) and just force a fixed cannon ending onto you, only influenced by ME3.
How do Rachni influence the end, who never seemed to need relays to travel in space? What about people you save? People you sacrificed? Will the fact you killed everyone in ME2 because you gave them wrong jobs matter?
No. It will not matter at all. Maybe some dialogue will change a bit, that's it. Rachni queen left for Andromeda apparently. The Geth are on vacation. Liara is back and if you didn't buy DLC you will freaking wonder why.
They coped out on design complexity but the PR rolled like they took no shortcuts. Doctors my ass, they only have a PhD in dishonest marketing.
Well to be honest it does suck that your decisions from previous games are just thrown away. But, part of me thinks this is just trolling from Bioware or EA. but, what ever the case what I hope for is an engaging and exciting story that will give this series an ending in whatever why you played is an satisfactory one
So apparently the BSN just instituted a new policy where being mean to people = banhammer.
"And is no longer welcomed, [sic]" of course, likely means "is no longer welcome to play the games they bought from EA."
I don't believe that's because of this, more because it's about the Jennifer Hepler madness that sprang up a week ago or so.Kahunaburger said:
It's possible. My money's on a general trend towards anger at Bioware in general, including the Hepler thing, the ending controversy, and the (inevitable?) ME3 backlash.AlternatePFG said: