Bioware has changed... kinda.

[SAMURAJ]

I felt that both Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 were improvements on the original games. Especially Dragon Age 2, it had a different story structure to the normal tired Bioware formula, the combat was a million times more fun to play than Origins, and i felt the characters in my party were very good (except Anders, he can fuck off).

omg you have to fck kidding me how the hell is dragon age 2 a better game

are you demented there were none improvements from the first one

and you say that the combat is fun omg what were you playing the combat was litteraly just boring he had two moves that he was doing over and over again and dont get me started on the exploding corpses if youkill it with a slash i mean who ever saw a corpse explode from being poked with a dagger and the fck difference in auto attacking with a two-handed, one-handed or daggers are absolutely zero and it looks so damn retarded when a warrior starts to swing a sword like its made of alluminium filled with helium so it weighs nothing

there is that new style conversation system that is used and their motto is "if you are a retard you wont have any problem talking because we have always 3 options and if you cant read there are pictures" well lets not make a conversation system that makes you read anything and fck think before you click we will do it for those retarded people who want to look at pictures and dont know how to read

so in the end i'll just say that some of the characters were ok (including Anders you little prick) and you can take your Isabela and you precios (wanna beat the crap the hell outa her the moment i see her) Aveline and fck off to some grave you dugg up just so you can kill yourself because you said that dragon age 2 is better than dragon age origins i mean you need to check you eyes and head maybe you are blind or have a tumor in your brain that is putting pressure on your decision-making part of the brain or you are just shizofrenic and thought that you were playing super mario instead off dragon age

go watch Boku no Pico you deranged little man and yes your cat is actualy a dog

ps sorry for bad english on some parts really got mad when i read this

Somebody please report this man....HE STOLE MY WORDS !!!!

I totally agree with this man and now i am going to ask for his hand in marriage as we proceed to cleanse this world from abomination know as dragon age 2 !!!!

Shave my back and call me an elf !!!

 

[DemoBuba]

• A fully voiced main character was an improvement over a mute main character.
  The combat was faster paced (to call DA:O's "glacial" is an understatement)
  The graphics were improved.
  The horrifying crafting from DA:O was simplified.
  The storytelling was more ambitious, although not necessarily better (anyone who approves of DA:O's impossibly hackneyed "the orcs are coming" story line needs a punch to the throat).
  The balancing/difficulty curve was much improved.

That's not to say it was a better game than Origins, but pretending it was a massive step backwards across the board is either showing an irrational hatred for DA2, or hilarious rose colored glasses for DA:O. DA2 was rushed. It shows all over the place that is was rushed, with half-finished, poorly fleshed out narrative arcs and awful re-using of area maps. It wasn't a BAD game. Unfortunately this is an internet forum, where all opinions on everything must be "OMG BEST EVAR" or "BOOGA BOOGA WORST THING I EVER PLAYED SLAP IN MAH FACE!".

i never said that DA:O "OMG BEST EVAR" or "BOOGA BOOGA WORST THING I EVER PLAYED SLAP IN MAH FACE!" and yes i would slap a man who sais that da2 is better than DA:O

who the fck cares if its rushed if you are rushing something then dont release it if its gonna be something like da2

and i wasnt gonna say anything about the maps but you started it IN da2 THERE ARE 2 MAPS so fck go and die in a ditch bioware you dont deserve to live after this

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Am I the only one that was disappointed with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II?

Every time you utter the phrase "am I the only one..." all the other people that are/doing/feeling/whatever, what you are about to desribe have their life spans shortened, and that a lot of people, this is the internet, not trying to be rude but if you think you are the only person with a given opinion you are incredibly wrong and you just might have an inflated opinion of yourself.

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm just laying down some truth, you dig?

Not necessarily , if i say , am i the only one that liked deus ex : invisible war more than the original and HR , i would probably get laughed at , then stoned , then hanged then laughed at some more . And the 5 other people in the world that believes will abstain from agreeing with me .( this is an example i in no way, forme , or manner believe invisible war is better than any game )

Well thats the exception to the rule, and there probably aren't even 5 people in the world who really enjoyed Invisible War to the others.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Am I the only one that was disappointed with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II?

Every time you utter the phrase "am I the only one..." all the other people that are/doing/feeling/whatever, what you are about to desribe have their life spans shortened, and that a lot of people, this is the internet, not trying to be rude but if you think you are the only person with a given opinion you are incredibly wrong and you just might have an inflated opinion of yourself.

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm just laying down some truth, you dig?

It's kind of astonishing how often I see this response whenever someone says "Am I the only one...?" Do you people just not understand how standard phrases work?

It's insulting to everyone's intelligence when this gets pointed out.

Maybe if people are annoyed when other point out the stupidity of a certain phrase then maybe we should stop using that stupid phrase.

Good day sir.

 

[The Last Nomad]

The only Bioware games I had played before Mass Effect 2 was the Baldur's gate games.
And I was very disappointed with Mass Effect 2. But I only really had one complaint about it. Sure it wasn't a very deep RPG like the brilliant Baldur's Gate games, but it was an excellent third person shooter with RPG elements. And it had a large interesting gameworld to explore with a really cool sci-fi theme which is what I was looking for when I bought the game. I never played the first mass effect game so I can't really comment on it's quality or the Dragon Age games (Though I did hear the 2nd one was un-RPG like). But my only complaint is that Mass Effect 2 ended. Not just its story but I was able to do everything in the gameworld(Dicovering all the planets, landing on all those that I could. All I good do was visit the hub worlds, no combat areas. I was annoyed because with an ENTIRE GALAXY to explore I thought I could have kept playing the game, exploring because there was an entire galaxy to do so in. Thats kinda one of the appealing aspects if a space themed game if you ask me. I realise that thats a big thing to ask of a game, but this was the studio that developed the Baldur's gate games, which had amazingly detailed worlds to explore. Would it have too much to ask for a few more quests in the already visited planets to kill a few more aliens? Maybe some that you can go back to infinitely? I did get a hell of a lot of playtime out of the galaxy but I just expected more. I felt the only thing I could do was start again with a new character but I prefer to be able to do everything a game has to offer with a singular character, which was something the Baldur's Gate games were good at.

 

[Hobonicus]

Am I the only one that was disappointed with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II?

Every time you utter the phrase "am I the only one..." all the other people that are/doing/feeling/whatever, what you are about to desribe have their life spans shortened, and that a lot of people, this is the internet, not trying to be rude but if you think you are the only person with a given opinion you are incredibly wrong and you just might have an inflated opinion of yourself.

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm just laying down some truth, you dig?

It's kind of astonishing how often I see this response whenever someone says "Am I the only one...?" Do you people just not understand how standard phrases work?

It's insulting to everyone's intelligence when this gets pointed out.

Maybe if people are annoyed when other point out the stupidity of a certain phrase then maybe we should stop using that stupid phrase.

Good day sir.

But it's not a stupid phrase... It's just basic exaggeration to get a feeling across, used all the time various ways in conversations. Connotation.

There's just something about that specific phrase that makes all the people who pretend not to understand social norms jump on it every time. I mean let's be serious now, you do know that phrase isn't meant to be taken literally, and you know the OP didn't mean it literally, but you and half a dozen others on this thread decided to play dumb and explain it to him anyway, as if you think he's stupid enough to have meant it literally. So is the problem with the guy who uses a well-known phrase to make a point or the people who have arbitrarily decided that connotation is no longer a thing.

And it's an overwhelmingly specifically targeted phrase. Somewhere on the internet someone complained about it and people said "Look at that cool logical guy" and it's gained popularity ever since. I guarantee that when you and the others in this thread said that, it wasn't the first time they'd seen it written. They saw "Am I the only one...?" and thought "Time for me to show how logical I am!" The same people who would target that phrase are also the ones who would say "I died a little on the inside", so it's not consistent, just an automatic response to that phrase. I'm not trying to be a dick either, but this behavior is not only backwards and filled with irony, but nauseatingly predictable.

OT: If you ignore the plot holes in the grand scheme, I think Mass Effect 2 was definitely better written than the first game, which was incredibly preachy at times. I also think the streamlining worked, the RPG features in the first weren't exactly extensive anyway and often only muddled up the fights. Haven't played DA2, but wasn't a fan of DA:O's writing either. Too heavy handed, too deliberate, felt like they were trying way too hard. DA2, from what I hear, is the only indication of Bioware lacking in quality, but I assume the fault is with EA there.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Am I the only one that was disappointed with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II?

Every time you utter the phrase "am I the only one..." all the other people that are/doing/feeling/whatever, what you are about to desribe have their life spans shortened, and that a lot of people, this is the internet, not trying to be rude but if you think you are the only person with a given opinion you are incredibly wrong and you just might have an inflated opinion of yourself.

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm just laying down some truth, you dig?

It's kind of astonishing how often I see this response whenever someone says "Am I the only one...?" Do you people just not understand how standard phrases work?

It's insulting to everyone's intelligence when this gets pointed out.

Maybe if people are annoyed when other point out the stupidity of a certain phrase then maybe we should stop using that stupid phrase.

Good day sir.

But it's not a stupid phrase... It's just basic exaggeration to get a feeling across, used all the time various ways in conversations. Connotation.

There's just something about that specific phrase that makes all the people who pretend not to understand social norms jump on it every time. I mean let's be serious now, you do know that phrase isn't meant to be taken literally, and you know the OP didn't mean it literally, but you and half a dozen others on this thread decided to play dumb and explain it to him anyway, as if you think he's stupid enough to have meant it literally. So is the problem with the guy who uses a well-known phrase to make a point or the people who have arbitrarily decided that connotation is no longer a thing.

And it's an overwhelmingly specifically targeted phrase. Somewhere on the internet someone complained about it and people said "Look at that cool logical guy" and it's gained popularity ever since. I guarantee that when you and the others in this thread said that, it wasn't the first time they'd seen it written. They saw "Am I the only one...?" and thought "Time for me to show how logical I am!" The same people who would target that phrase are also the ones who would say "I died a little on the inside", so it's not consistent, just an automatic response to that phrase. I'm not trying to be a dick either, but this behavior is not only backwards and filled with irony, but nauseatingly predictable.

Whatever, I think its a stupid phrase and I will tell everyone who uses it just how stupid I think it is. I'm not doing it to show off or anything, I simply think its stupid and wish people to quit using it.

Have a good day sir/madame.

 

[Ascarus]

Dragon Age 2 was shit.

Mass Effect 2 i played the hell out of.

 

[AlternatePFG]

While I think their games can hardly be considered decent RPG's anymore, I do very much enjoy them for what they are.

Yes, even Dragon Age 2.

I still miss the games like Baldur's Gate or KOTOR though.

 

[Nargleblarg]

Dragon Age 2 was shit.

Mass Effect 2 i played the hell out of.

I was just about to type this same thing when I saw this brilliant scholar already had for me. Thank you kind sir.

 

[Zwilorg]

After NeverWinter Nights bioware went downhill (on the complex RPG status) i never liked any of their games as much as i did with NWN... DAO was cool but still very simple :S that was how i felt... that party management...omg... and DAO2 for hack and slash i prefer devil may cry thank you!

Mass Effect 1 rocked, ME2 not so much :S

 

[robinkom]

But it's not a stupid phrase... It's just basic exaggeration to get a feeling across, used all the time various ways in conversations. Connotation.

There's just something about that specific phrase that makes all the people who pretend not to understand social norms jump on it every time. I mean let's be serious now, you do know that phrase isn't meant to be taken literally, and you know the OP didn't mean it literally, but you and half a dozen others on this thread decided to play dumb and explain it to him anyway, as if you think he's stupid enough to have meant it literally. So is the problem with the guy who uses a well-known phrase to make a point or the people who have arbitrarily decided that connotation is no longer a thing.

And it's an overwhelmingly specifically targeted phrase. Somewhere on the internet someone complained about it and people said "Look at that cool logical guy" and it's gained popularity ever since. I guarantee that when you and the others in this thread said that, it wasn't the first time they'd seen it written. They saw "Am I the only one...?" and thought "Time for me to show how logical I am!" The same people who would target that phrase are also the ones who would say "I died a little on the inside", so it's not consistent, just an automatic response to that phrase. I'm not trying to be a dick either, but this behavior is not only backwards and filled with irony, but nauseatingly predictable.

As the OT, I thank you for explaining this as it's something so commonplace in our speech that I didn't feel it needed explaining to those who thought they were being funny. But that's the nature of the beast, the internet. Anonymity and safety from behind your monitor to say what you want without real repercussions. I realize bringing up Bioware as a subject of disgust is nothing new but there will always be someone reaching this conclusion at different times and a desire to discuss it.

If you feel the need to sound intelligent at the expense of someone else, do it with someone who's actually making a terrible point about something... such as $60 games having a tremendous amount of DLC out there being actual large parts of the main game that should have been part of the initial purchase.

 

[LTAshler]

Wait, You *Like* having broken, uninteresting combat? Look I'm all for heavy RPG elements but when it comes to gunplay, keep your grimy mitts off my aim.

And you *Like* Hiding behind a wall for 90% of a game, waiting for a chance to shoot the same enemy with the same gun, and use the one useful ability you have?
Aim wasn't too badly affected in ME1, except for the sniper rifle sway, that was bullshit. I was always able to aim any gun well with or without skill points in the gun. I however loved the ability to leave cover and live, and the ability to use more than one ability at a time. I'll take slightly harder aiming over extreme monotony any day (seriously, tell me any fight in ME2 had more to it than hide behind wall, shoot, use ability x. I'll give you the one that I found: That cave full of husks, and that was just ludicrously too many husks...)

Ever play a Vanguard?

/acerbic wit ftw.

 

[DustyDrB]

snip relating to "Am I the only one?"

It's no use. People want to hate on others for stupid reasons. So I always say if you do hate on others for saying "Am I the only one", then you're either ignorant (not realizing what a figure of speech or hyperbole is) or an asshole (belittling others for very trivial reasons).

 

[Joccaren]

Ever play a Vanguard?
/acerbic wit ftw.

Vanguard is the game I HAVE finished. It is no better, especially playing on a high difficulty. 1. Use Charge. 2. Shoot enemy with shotgun. 3. Take cover. 4. Shoot enemy with shotgun whilst waiting for charge to recharge, staying in cover the whole time. 5. Repeat.

I miss having any class able to run in the open for more than 3 seconds without death. It just doesn't happen in ME2. You sit behind a wall for the vast majority of the game. If you stay out of cover with enemies around after charging as a Vanguard, you will die very fast. It is not as fun as ME1 combat. Sure, the graphics are better, and the sniper aiming is a vast improvement over the ridiculous sway in 1, but the rest of it is stupidly monotonous hiding behind cover, peeping/charging out and shooting, taking cover again. It is rare that you do anything different.

 

[Zeraiya]

I think BioWare has changed - but for me - not for the worse. I think we should all accept that their two latest releases have far more action in them than their other games, and I think a lot of people don't like that or don't want to accept it.

The question lies in: are you a hardcore RPG fan? Or do you like lots of action? If you like action and RPG than I'm pretty sure you're going to love BioWare and the new direction they are taking. If you don't, well then you'll probably not be happy with the 'new BioWare'.

As far as the company goes, the people aren't changing. They are changing the games they make in order to appeal to a larger audience, they've said that themselves. There's even an article going around of them saying that the old RPG "are dead" and that new RPGs should be made to adapt to the market. That point is up for debate, but just offering some insight.

On a personal note, if BioWare has 'changed' I don't have a problem with it. I love their new games and I think their company has some really good developers in it. BioWare also seems to be one of the only companies that actually listen to their consumers and their fans. They also seem to be one of the only companies that care how their consumers enjoy their games.