BioWare Unoriginal?
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i am loving DA2 its fun thats all i care about it fix's everything DA1 had and that just makes it more epic.
i thought it was very similar to Kotor, is that unorigional? yes. is it a bad thing? hell no! the fact is not a single game idea is 100% new, everyone has thought of it or implemented something thats been done before. for example im a games programmer and when i was in my first year of uni i wanted to make a game about a guy going back in time to a fantasy land based around heavy metal, he would fire lightning from a guitar to kill people. and then a few years later brutal legends comes out, i wasnt bothered because the fact is if you can keep an idea fresh then go for it, if you cant (see call of duty, WOW clones) then please for the love of god stop
I've yet to play Alpha Protocol, so I can't offer any insight into how they compare, but honestly if it's a system that works, why not use it?
Having more than 3 conversation variations would make the voice over work even more tasking than it may already be. How deep do you want to go with your communication? You can jest, offer helpful insight or be a complete twat. Anything more specific or derivative of that seems unnecessary, not to mention the fact Dragon Age 2 allows you to explore further conversation options through questions or opinions unrelated to hostile/neutral/good.
The friend/rival thing as well seemed like a brilliant idea; I disliked it in Dragon Age: Origins how I had to get everyone to like me, even if I didn't particularly enjoy their company. At least this way it gives you the opportunity to be creative in your relationships. If it took a page from Alpha Protocal then props to SEGA for coming up with such great ideas.
Maybe Bioware is doing some copying, but I'm sure they put as much work into having original themes as they did improving on the ones that didn't work last time around. If it means they're taking the best ideas from a game that knew what it was doing well, what would you prefer - a game with a system that works, albeit a nonoriginal one, or one that struggles while trying to be not so particularly original in the first place?
Having more than 3 conversation variations would make the voice over work even more tasking than it may already be. How deep do you want to go with your communication? You can jest, offer helpful insight or be a complete twat. Anything more specific or derivative of that seems unnecessary, not to mention the fact Dragon Age 2 allows you to explore further conversation options through questions or opinions unrelated to hostile/neutral/good.
The friend/rival thing as well seemed like a brilliant idea; I disliked it in Dragon Age: Origins how I had to get everyone to like me, even if I didn't particularly enjoy their company. At least this way it gives you the opportunity to be creative in your relationships. If it took a page from Alpha Protocal then props to SEGA for coming up with such great ideas.
Maybe Bioware is doing some copying, but I'm sure they put as much work into having original themes as they did improving on the ones that didn't work last time around. If it means they're taking the best ideas from a game that knew what it was doing well, what would you prefer - a game with a system that works, albeit a nonoriginal one, or one that struggles while trying to be not so particularly original in the first place?
Mass Effect sort of set the standard for choice-played gameplay (unless you consider D&D the precursor). Seeing as game mechanics are not patented ideas (LOOK AT ALL THE FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS), there's no reason to say they did or did not rip off of Alpha Protocol.
You argument is not invalid, but it's sort of like saying Oblivion borrowed the Sandbox style from GTA.
You argument is not invalid, but it's sort of like saying Oblivion borrowed the Sandbox style from GTA.
I whole plot of mass effect bares a striking resemblance to a short of Arthur C Clarke's.Devour said:
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Mirror's Edge, Narbacular Drop, Beyond good and evil, Metal Gear Solid, Vagrant Story, Eternal Darkness: sanity's requiem, Killer7, Amnesia, Penumbra.Dr. wonderful said:
There are load of original games that are good.
Cryostasis, Arhkam asylum, Call of Juarez, Folklore. Alien Swarm.
I could honestly go on and on and on.
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That fucking Chris Avellone and his using shit he'd thought of.ImSkeletor said:
You should probably take Atton off that list; KOTOR2 was Obsidian not Bioware.arc1991 said:
Also, the whole 'influence' system where team mates had their own beliefs, views and agendas you had to deal with and scoring enough influence resulted in bonuses was first introduced (in WRPGs, anyway) in KOTOR2. It was used even more extensively in NWN2 (another Obsidian sequel to a Bioware title) to the point where it affected how the final battle plays out. Having negative/bad influence give similar/equal results first popped up in Alpha Protocol.
The dialogue system was taken from ME, not AP, the love hate thing is not the same as frind/rivalas they are fundamentally different, and frame stories are nothing new.
There is a big difference between similar and ripping off. Seems like you might have gotten a little confused.
There is a big difference between similar and ripping off. Seems like you might have gotten a little confused.
Whaaaaaaaa?Devour said:
You blew my mind.
Wait, no you didn't.
You're telling me that two games in the same genre are similar? No way.
the first Dragon Age and Mass Effect came out before Alpha Protocol. And Bioware's probably been working on DA2 since before AP came out, so trying to decide who's cribbing notes from who is late at this point.
And isn't it also arguable that the frame story thing has more in common with Black Ops than Alpha Protocol.
Isn't the setting of Dragon Age the same setting as Lord of the Rings, Fable, Monty Python's Holly Grail, and just about every other fantasy novel or game that was ever read?
If I put enough thought in to it I could make somebody believe that Mass Effect share's a setting with Ender's Game.
I wouldn't worry all that much about this "Lack of originality" Seeing as how all the settings and themes in existence have all been used at least once, hence why they exist.
Plus this is the games industry we're talking about where if you took all the games that are EXACTLY the same as Call of Duty 4 in every aspect you'd have a number that's roughly more than the amount of stars in the sky.
Bioware's licencing agreement with WotC for the Star Wars d20 game tabletop RPG mechanics counts as 'stole' now? When did that happen?Madshaw said:
Actually, the Challenge was to mention Original games from Last year.Daedalus1942 said:
But you win points for bringing up Forklore and Kller 7.
Also I want to complete it by bringing up Stacking DLC from Double fine studios.
Nerdalert: Also, Arkham Asylum is based on Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth Graphic Novel 1989.
Still dosen't make it a bad game.
yeah.. i was actually referring to the gameplay mechanics.Dr. wonderful said:
Unlike any other game I've ever played.
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You do realize that the conversation wheel was borrowed from Bioware by Alpha Protocol...
Other things that other posters have already said aside, just because something's been done before doesn't mean it's owned by the original. Things can be perfected as well as invented, just think of all the great works we'd never have if everyone had to be completely original(Disregarding the inherit hypocrisy of that concept)
Other things that other posters have already said aside, just because something's been done before doesn't mean it's owned by the original. Things can be perfected as well as invented, just think of all the great works we'd never have if everyone had to be completely original(Disregarding the inherit hypocrisy of that concept)