Bitchy parents help.

[dragonburner]

But I really don't think you should ask this here. You're probably going to get some "crazy Christians" comments.

Crazy Christians...

JK But seriously

 

[Rayansaki]

You are not supposed to get an M rated game anyway... Tho it is Assassin's Creed ! Everyone should get Assassin's Creed!

 

[MattRooney06]

"Not even caring, I stormed to my room and cried."

I'm sorry, but you're pathetic. Pay for your own damn stuff.

yeah i mean crying when your perants are unreasonable how stupid

that was a joke dont worry



ehhhhhh i would say just appologise and do everything they say

 

[Fetzenfisch]

try to pay for more things for yourself... seriously.
Times are hard and your parents would appreciate it instead of asking for things all of the time. That might be better to help how your parents see you and relate with you.

Because gaming is expensive and... well youre being a dick for reacting that way

If they can't afford the game, they should tell her straight out and tell her to choose something cheaper instead of needless minutes of lip wrestle. True, the OP should've acted maturer but I think some people are real ignoramus that everybody has their persona and different limit to how long they can hold their emotions. Either way overreaction on both parts over a motherfucking game.

Especially if its the persona of a spoiled preteen crybaby




post scriptun


haha christians....

 

[NuclearPenguin]

Well, my opinion is stop being a christian.. That is if you're only doing it for your parents sake. Lash out. If you have to, go to drastic measures. I promise you, you will have more fun as a child/teenager doing this then being the perfect christian child. Small things that are enjoyable as a teenager, but note, they will ruin your adult life. Smoking, stealing, breaking s**t (That last ones extra fun). But otherwise just try to get them calm and ease them into the situation. Explain that the game isnt that bad, if possible, get a demo or something on it for maybe PC and show them.

 

[Zersy]

All right, I recently asked my parents for a copy of Assassian's Creed 1 and Batman: Arkham Asylum and a $300 PS3. My parents were very hesitant for AC, noticing the M rating. I explained to them that, 'You do more stealth and unraviling the plot more then you do the killings." to which they completely agreed to try and get for me. They completely understood, and my dad said he'd like to play which never happens. Last time he played a videogame, it was my N64 in 1999!

Today I woke up, showered, got all gussied up for church, and went out for breakfast only to have my parents sitting sternly at the table with a Kmart newspaper ad in front of them. They immediatly bombarded me, accusing me of wanting a M rated game and how I should be ashamed as a Christian. I quickly flipped into the ad and saw a offer for AC2, which cost $60 or $70 or so. I told them directly that AC1 was only $20 right now, this was the second one. They called BS on me, saying they would'nt even consider it now. I remember losing my cool, towering over my dad screaming " YOU HAVE MOVIES THAT CURSE MORE THEN THE FUDGIN' GAME! AND YOU ARE CALLING ME A WORSE CHRISTIAN?!?" My dad promptly yelled back at me, saying that I was going to be punshied for even saying that sentance, and I wasant going to get any food for the day and not get any presents. Not even caring, I stormed to my room and cried. Now they are treating me worse then they normally do, glaring at me and calling me it or thing. So as a logical Escapest member to another, is there any advice one can give me for this? It'll be a great help if you can.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I should have cleared some things up. They had asked me specifically what I wanted for Christmas, and I have no ways of collecting money. No allowence, no job because I'm too young, and I've been around my neighbour hood. Nobody wants me to clean their lawns or anything.

Forget it. It's not simple but do it. Forget it then karma shall take care of the rest.

 

[Treblaine]

" YOU HAVE MOVIES THAT CURSE MORE THEN THE FUDGIN' GAME! AND YOU ARE CALLING ME A WORSE CHRISTIAN?!?" My dad promptly yelled back at me,

The way you are doing it:

Spoiler

Seriously, the second you yell at your parent you have lost the game.

My suggestion, suggest something you can BOTH get something out of, something a father and son/daughter can work on.

One thing that worked out wonderfully with my cheapskate parents was to express my interest in building my own PC and asked my dad to help me build it and he has taken a much better attitude to it as we had such a positive time building it and accomplishing something together. My dad loves building stuff, electronics, putting up shelves and all that.

My parents are no longer so antagonistic to my PS3 once I set it up as a DVD/Blu-ray/media-streamer for the HDTV in our living room, I guess they no longer associate it as "that bloody Playstation" that does nothing but waste my time. They now see it as something that wastes their time too which I guess they are much happier with.

If you ask your parents for something only you can enjoy, it HAS to be something they can relate to. Like if your parents have an ipod it would not be unreasonable to ask for an ipod yourself.

But a video game or console takes more effort, you're going to have to find a level on which you can relate with them.

 

[Borrowed Time]

No dude, really--you're making an ass of yourself here: follow that link or look up some source for this.

That example was taken directly from an online source

Right--the difference between a derogatory comment and one that is not is wordplay. That's what comments are: words. This is why it makes no sense to say that the question of whether a comment is derogatory is just semantics: semantics is *all about* the meaning of words, and what makes one comment derogatory and another fine is the meaning of the words of the comment.

You're using the term derogatory as a pejorative. THAT is my main beef with it. You're ignoring the context completely.

Then you make no sense: there's no legal obligation to be philanthropic (in fact, it borders on being a contradiction in terms, like talking about married bachelors). You've forgotten what you were talking about in that case, and that's why you misunderstand me.

No, the problem is that you took legal comments and tried to make them into moral comments. Once you made it a moral issue, I told you how I felt about it morally, which is what I feel it takes to be a "good" parent.

The existence of Sweden is not a subjective interpretation of mine--it really exists. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but this is the best I can do with those two sentences.

It has nothing to do with Sweden and everything to do with you taking things completely out of context. As I said, it began as a legal issue and you assigned morality to it. You subjectively began applying people's comments to a completely new topic that they had no bearing on whatsoever. Once again, expert word twisting sir. I'm beginning to wonder how much you listen to O'Reilly.

Um, you don't understand how the USA works. The USA is a federal republic. While certain laws exist at the Federal level and apply to the entire country, state law applies only in that state. Parent-child law is an example of an area where most of the law is state law. So any dictionary is only going to be giving you a general outline--you'll find the law varies from state to state.

Which is exactly why the legal definition I used included the word "generally".

Well then her parents were negligent and should have had her clarify what she meant by 'killing'. If anything, the common understanding of that word is not Mario jumping on a goomba, it's something much more like what you described.

And ahh, either I'm not remembering the game correctly, or you must of played a different version of Assassin's Creed than me if you saw someone's spleen being punctured: the only game I've seen that kind of x-ray view is in Blitz: The League

Also, what do you mean paid for? Altair is a member of the Assassin Brotherhood and is doing this as part of his duties. Don't go all Fox News Mass Effect Sex Game on us and just start making shit up about games.

So her parents are wrong because they let themselves be deceived? The common understanding means little to nothing honestly, especially if we're talking about gamers who'se last game played was Super Mario Bros. or non-gamers for that matter. You and I may have our own idea of the term in correlation to modern games, but they may not. Just as common sense is vastly in decline, so is common understanding. To make such an assumption is asinine.

Let me ask you this, do you know where the human lungs are? Do you know where the human stomach is? Do you know where the spinal column is in a human? Do you have to have x-ray vision to know that jabbing a blade into someone's abdomen would hit numerous gastrointestinal organs, including but not limited to most likely the stomach, large intestine, small intestine, kidneys, etc...? You're more intelligent then this, stop with the crap.

Ok yup, that last one was my misunderstanding of the plot (concerning the paid for). It was to collect an artifact for his master at first, and then for political reasons. I stand corrected. It's been quite a while since I played that game, had to refresh my memory of the plot. I thought that the beginning sequence with the artifact was a paid job that led into a third political party paying to have the leaders of the first two (the templars and saracens) assassinated.

No, all other people are doing is saying that everything is subjective as a response when I disagree with them. Big difference. I think you're all objectively wrong.

I think it's more along the lines that you seem to think that your opinions are right and everyone else is wrong, which is exactly why you have them. Many of us never stated that the parents were right in their reaction to her. I know that jboking and I both stated that we found the way the parents were acting deplorable, but understood the reasoning behind it. The only thing you and I have really disagreed with at this point is who was at fault, and that's because we disagree that she mislead her parents.

I've actually posted on a couple occasions now that I believe that they are both in the wrong. I can see it from her point of view, as I was once there, and from the parents' point of view, as I'm there now. She has a point in much of it, but I understand why her parents feel that they have been wronged. I most certainly believe that they are over reacting and I would never react that way to my own children. Where did I state that I thought they were good parents? They are emotionally and physically abusing her. (if what she says is to be assumed true 100%) That is not right in any semblance of the word, but neither do I begrudge them for being disappointed, upset or flat out angry with her, no matter if it were for religious reasons or not. If my boys mislead or lied to me, I would discipline them as well.

 

[jboking]

To respond in a similar fashion. Why does there need to be privacy between parents and their children when playing video games if the child in the situation is underage? Typically, isn't supervision of children while playing games encouraged?

You're confusing 'supervision' with 'doing something in front of your parents.' Just because your parents aren't in the room with you while you do something, that doesn't mean you're doing it unsupervised.

Yes, but why can't your parents be that supervision?

You're misunderstanding me: just because the 'supervisor' parent is not in the room with the person while they play the game, that doesn't mean the person is 'unsupervised'.

No, I completely understand that. I was just trying to bring the argument back to the main point. What is wrong with your parents watching you play video games?

I never said there was anything wrong with your parents watching you play videogames. All I said was you not wanting to play a video game with your parents watching does not necessarily mean you shouldn't be playing that video game in the first place, that you're necessarily doing something they should be supervising you not to.

Eh, alright. It was always intended as one of those, "if you can't do it in front of someone you care about, should you be doing it?" things. It wasn't really intended to always lead to me playing exclusively in front of them, but rather for me to consider what I was doing and asking if my parents would be fine with me playing it.

Yes, and I'm sorry for that. However, I still find your answer 100% inefficient in dealing with the other people in this thread or with her parents(as the posters in this thread have already seen the facts their way, and many of them who you hosted arguments with still hold their view on the situation,

Why?

alright, I'm going to break this one down again. Presenting them the facts is well...stupid. They've already seen the facts, this can easily be assumed if they are willing to be vocal about them. They have already interpreted the facts in their own way. Trying to fight them with something they have already seen and understand in a way that is different from you doesn't make sense and would likely be very ineffective as they would default to their original view of the facts. I think you could find much more effective method of argument.

How do I handle it? Well, I'll say this to start: it really doesn't matter if there's a difference of opinions on a matter of subjective truth or you think your parents are wrong about something about which there is no objective doubt. If your parents believe you are wrong about a matter of objective truth, than you have to deal with the situation as they see it.

Long story short, your advice is that she has to deal with her parents views on the situation. Great, how do you suggest she do that? I know I had a few ways of dealing with views my parents had. What do you suggest?

I don't know if I can suggest anything more than I already have in this thread until I know more about the situation.

Fair enough, then I think we should be done here, as we have nothing left to provide to the OP.

So forget the whole subjective/objective thing. If you're asking me how to deal with her parents, just like we have to deal with the fact that I disagree that she lied, we have to deal with the fact that they disagree with you that it's "mostly subjective": they probably see this as a pretty objective case.

That still doesn't answer how to deal with it.

Well, yes, it does. It's the first step to finding an answer.

It's just not the full thing. Okay, so you have part one in a numerous step process. We'll just let her guess as to what the other steps are. Really though, you stated that "we had to deal with the fact that they disagree with you," I was just asking how as this still isn't a great explanation as to what to do.

I will also contend that even if they view her lying as objective truth, she can still get what she wants. Do you believe this to be true?

Sure. It just requires her to lie even more, but in a way that will please them and conform to their expectations of the truth. Once someone believes that you have lied and will not sway from that opinion, your only option is to perjure yourself and admit guilt and remorse for having lied, even if you didn't.

More lieing...I thought that according to you she hadn't lied in the first place.

also, the method I already suggest required no lieing.

You can keep commenting if you like Cheeze, However, I don't feel like returning to this thread. We seem to be arguing in manner that isn't productive to helping the OP. If you wish to actually continue this conversation you can PM me. If you would rather just get the last word...fine.

 

[jboking]

Why do you keep asking me about the posters in this thread and then when I respond, start talking about the parents?

approaching it from both angles. you could easily do the same if you wished, you simply don't.

You say that, but you keep going on about "if you can't do it in front of someone you care about, should you be doing it?" You can't tell people they shouldn't be commenting in a thread because they're going off-topic, and then go off-topic in the exact same way yourself.

Which is precisely why I requested we end this.

It's the first step in coming up with a great explanation.

but there is no denying that it is not in itself a great explanation.

According to them, she did.

Back up. So you can completely understand the point of my original post? Then why the hell did this conversation occur?

I disagree that this is not helpful to the OP.

You yourself admitted that we are arguing about tangential things. Tangential, being things that do not relate to the OP. If we are not relating to the original topic we are not being helpful.

Yet another reason to just end this here.

As for the parental supervision argument, it appears we had a similar view on the topic, but due to miscommunication it was lost a while back. I will still state that video games are not something that in themselves require privacy(I can play video games in front of any random person, I can't just have sex in front of any random person) and therefore the rule can work, but that is as far as I'm going with the argument.

 

[Skuffyshootster]

Jeez, cut her some slack. I lied about my age, and she even edited the post to say she wasn't old enough to get a job, so I guess she's around 13-14. And at that age, your parents pretty much have the last word on things, unless they're extremely malleable, like mine. So your only options are to deceive them again and hope it works, or deal with it.

Or call the cops. Didn't you see the part about no food all day?

Heh, no. That's another option, then.

EDIT: Or tell them that you decide which old folks home they're going to. Works like a charm.