Bitchy parents help.

[jboking]

To respond in a similar fashion. Why does there need to be privacy between parents and their children when playing video games if the child in the situation is underage? Typically, isn't supervision of children while playing games encouraged?

You're confusing 'supervision' with 'doing something in front of your parents.' Just because your parents aren't in the room with you while you do something, that doesn't mean you're doing it unsupervised.

Yes, but why can't your parents be that supervision? Is there something inherently wrong with that or were you just reaching for an argument?

Congratulations, you have a belief that differs from the parents in the situation. Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong?

The facts of the situation? That's...kinda what I've been doing.

The facts of the situation are how you suggest dealing with them? I'll just be plain and say that, by your view of the facts, that probably has already failed(hence the yelling fight she already had)(this also doesn't even being to delve into the idea that facts are viewed through filters each and every one of us develops. We all have natural biases after all and will interpret the facts one way or the other. See: how fox news and MSNBC get such different viewpoints on the same situation and yet they both are [sometimes] telling the truth just looking at it in a different light). Understanding that, how do you deal with them? How do you handle people that view something differently than you do? Do you simply have a, "they're wrong and I'm right, end of story" response or is it possible that your response could be like the ones regarding the arguments we've dropped(see: it's mostly subjective and I will simply have to respect your view on the issue while maintaining my own)?

 

[MasterSqueak]

If you're 19 and you still live with your parents like this, you are a fucking loser..

Yeah, because paying for your house is SO fun. Who cares about saving money? Always got to keep up your mature image.

 

[wordsmith]

No allowence, no job because I'm too young, and I've been around my neighbour hood. Nobody wants me to clean their lawns or anything.

You're too young for a job? That makes you younger than 17, so they would be legally in the wrong if they HAD bought you the game. Sorry man, rules is rules.

 

[stonethered]

In many cases, that's not true: look up the difference between connotation and denotation.

Yes, they're opposites. Denotation meaning the literal definition where connotation is the implied definitions based upon context, such as "rest" being either relaxing, sleeping or death.

That's not what those words mean--really, look them up. They're good to know: not just for trivia purposes, but because being familiar with the concepts will improve your ability to understand and use language. Here's a decent summary based on a quick look:

http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/connotations.htm

"Generally a parent is responsible for support of a minor child. This responsibility encompasses the essentials of food, clothing, and shelter, as well as education and medical care.

The parent has the obligation to furnish a home for the child. A parent has the right to use Corporal Punishment, but it must not be so excessive as to constitute child abuse.

A parent's power over his child includes the authority and obligation to oversee medical treatment. A parent will most likely be held guilty of criminal neglect if he disregards the health requirements of his child."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Parent+and+Child

Not once does it list the state of which the clothing, food or shelter must be in (besides basic furnishings).

Um, a dictionary is a general guide--it's not meant to be used as an exhaustive resource like you're using it here. For example, there is no right to use corporal punishment in places like Sweden. Laws are going to vary widely by jurisdiction.

Ok, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here.
You use a link to a dictionary site to back up your point; but when he uses it, you call it a 'general guide'.

Because I see no differnce in usage. So either you are both wrong for using it, or you are wrong for correcting him.

Which is it?

 

[Seydaman]

You could try pimp slapping them /sarcasm\
But here is a step by step guide to fixing this:
1) Stop going to church
2) Stop being chrisitian
3) Gain awesomness by becoming athletically fit and able to run several miles without tiring
4) Run to find a job
5) Use running as a form of transportation
6) Buy a bike
7) Use said bike
8) Keep making money and eventually buy AC2
9) Buy a gun
9) Keep saving and get a better job
10) Get an apartment
11) live life

 

[AWAR]

haha the average christian family...
IM A BETTER CHRISTIAN THAN YOU!!!lol that makes absolutely no sense..

 

[Seydaman]

snippiiidtteey

Evidence, I suppose, would be a valuable tool in your situation.

A link to an amazon/ebay page of AC1.

A few key bible verses about how much god likes killing heathons.

A few R rated movies from your father's collection.

And, lastly, a calm demeanor.

You are 'fighting' with adults, so be an adult.

Seems like a good idea, just present your arguement, and if they start talking loud, talk louder, and if that doesn't work, get your shit together and leave, and I am dead serious.

 

[Borrowed Time]

In many cases, that's not true: look up the difference between connotation and denotation.

Yes, they're opposites. Denotation meaning the literal definition where connotation is the implied definitions based upon context, such as "rest" being either relaxing, sleeping or death.

That's not what those words mean--really, look them up. They're good to know: not just for trivia purposes, but because being familiar with the concepts will improve your ability to understand and use language. Here's a decent summary based on a quick look:

http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/connotations.htm

Connotation - Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest (burial)
Denotation - rest - the refreshing quiet or repose of sleep: a good night's rest.

Moving on...

If you don't like how I said it, too bad? Take the context and get over it.

That's not relevant to the question of whether it was derogatory.

Wordplay... which really has no bearing on anything besides grasping for an argument that doesn't exist, not to mention assigning a "disliked" context to my word usage.

Not necessarily--they might not want to be philanthropic, but still want to be a good parent. They might want to fulfill their duty, but don't have the kind of feelings that other good parents do.

You're confusing someone having a duty with someone being incapable of not doing something. We all "have" to pay our taxes, but that doesn't mean we don't have a lot of tax evaders.

In my frame of thinking, someone who doesn't provide good clothing, healthy and varied nourishment, a proper education (preferably post-secondary), a loving, nurturing and caring environment, etc... to the best of their ability is a bad parent. One who does provide those things is a good parent. What's the argument here?

Someone might provide those things out of a sense of duty--another might provide them because they just feel like providing them, duty or not. Both would be good parents, but the one would be doing it even if they'd be good parents if they didn't.

It's like if two people in a relationship agree to exclusive sexual fidelity. Some people would like to cheat, but they don't, because of their vows. Some people just don't want to have sex with anyone but their partner in the first place--even without vows of exclusivity, they'd be monogamous. Hope that clarifies things.

Still not seeing an argument here. As I state below, the statements made were from a legal aspect, not a moral one.

"Generally a parent is responsible for support of a minor child. This responsibility encompasses the essentials of food, clothing, and shelter, as well as education and medical care.

The parent has the obligation to furnish a home for the child. A parent has the right to use Corporal Punishment, but it must not be so excessive as to constitute child abuse.

A parent's power over his child includes the authority and obligation to oversee medical treatment. A parent will most likely be held guilty of criminal neglect if he disregards the health requirements of his child."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Parent+and+Child

Not once does it list the state of which the clothing, food or shelter must be in (besides basic furnishings).

Um, a dictionary is a general guide--it's not meant to be used as an exhaustive resource like you're using it here. For example, there is no right to use corporal punishment in places like Sweden. Laws are going to vary widely by jurisdiction.

So everything is subjective then according to your interpretation. So basically the world revolves around your interpretation of everything? I live in the USA. That dictionary is for the USA. If you aren't in the USA and aren't arguing the same points as myself in the USA from the same stance, what's the point of arguing?

The entire series of comments started from a legal aspect, not a moral one.

BTW, a dictionary can't be used as an exhaustive guide yet About.com can? Interesting...

It always made sense: I just don't think you can compare what the OP said with your scenario about Mortal Kombat--proper analogy would be if they told you there were arms being ripped off and spines being torn out, but that most of the game was punches and kicks and energy balls. The kid didn't fail to mention that there's killing by just watering it down to 'swordfights' the way you did with 'battles' in your example.

Maybe being a parent myself gives me a unique perspective on the situation since I've actually experienced similar scenarios with my own children as this.

Anyone who has been in any sort of emotional relationship with another human being understands how humans downplay things: look at how you innocently 'upplayed' the situation in your Mortal Kombat example, giving me an inaccurate analogy.

Mario killing a goomba by jumping on it's head does not equate to killing by sliding a 10 inch blade of steel from your wrist into the spleen of a paid for target that you've been stalking through the streets for an entire level, mercilessly dispatching anyone who gets in your way or fleeing for your life. The word killing does not convey much information.

So basically once again you're saying everything is subjective, so once again, why are we arguing?

This entire debate is a matter of opinion and personal experience. You and I don't see eye to eye on if she mislead her parents.

Maybe, but that's certainly a far cry from where the debate started.

Er... every comment people have made have been opinions based upon their personal experience, there isn't any maybe about it.

All you're doing is saying that everything is subjective. So at this point, once again for the third time, why are we arguing?

 

[jboking]

To respond in a similar fashion. Why does there need to be privacy between parents and their children when playing video games if the child in the situation is underage? Typically, isn't supervision of children while playing games encouraged?

You're confusing 'supervision' with 'doing something in front of your parents.' Just because your parents aren't in the room with you while you do something, that doesn't mean you're doing it unsupervised.

Yes, but why can't your parents be that supervision?

You're misunderstanding me: just because the 'supervisor' parent is not in the room with the person while they play the game, that doesn't mean the person is 'unsupervised'.

No, I completely understand that. I was just trying to bring the argument back to the main point. What is wrong with your parents watching you play video games? It is just another form of supervision is it not? Oh, and I'm not saying supervision has to be your parents, I'm stating that it can be and that for me it was.

Congratulations, you have a belief that differs from the parents in the situation. Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong?

The facts of the situation? That's...kinda what I've been doing.

The facts of the situation are how you suggest dealing with them? I'll just be plain and say that, by your view of the facts, that probably has already failed

You need to keep clear who you mean by 'them' from post to post. Last post you asked me "Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong?" If you were asking me about her parents specifically--and not about the people in this thread with whom I disagree--you should have made that clear.

I mean, I don't see you going around to anyone else who isn't talking specifically about how she should deal with her parents and telling them "I see no reason for you to be posting here."

Yes, and I'm sorry for that. However, I still find your answer 100% inefficient in dealing with the other people in this thread or with her parents(as the posters in this thread have already seen the facts their way, and many of them who you hosted arguments with still hold their view on the situation, even though you present the facts to them again[which they likely continue to reinterpret] I have another question for you to answer if you wish: If they can reinterpret the facts and have shown that they were able to do so, in what world is using the same facts to argue with them a good idea?). Meaning that it delved into a "Subjective truth" or "I'm right your wrong" argument). Also, you should be able to approach the similar viewpoint of both the parents and the posters. If you treat the parents like humans instead of like unthinking authoritarian figures that is.

As for the other comment, I would go to all of those people and tell them I don't see why they are posting, but I quite simply don't have the time or will. The only reason I did it to you is that you bothered to quote me and then try as hard as you might to break apart what I said.

Understanding that, how do you deal with them? How do you handle people that view something differently than you do? Do you simply have a, "they're wrong and I'm right, end of story" response or is it possible that your response could be like the ones regarding the arguments we've dropped(see: it's mostly subjective and I will simply have to respect your view on the issue while maintaining my own)?

How do I handle it? Well, I'll say this to start: it really doesn't matter if there's a difference of opinions on a matter of subjective truth or you think your parents are wrong about something about which there is no objective doubt to you - jboking. If your parents believe you are wrong about a matter of objective truth, than you have to deal with the situation as they see it.

Long story short, your advice is that she has to deal with her parents views on the situation. Great, how do you suggest she do that? I know I had a few ways of dealing with views my parents had. What do you suggest?

So forget the whole subjective/objective thing. If you're asking me how to deal with her parents, just like we have to deal with the fact that I disagree that she lied, we have to deal with the fact that they disagree with you that it's "mostly subjective": they probably see this as a pretty objective case.

That still doesn't answer how to deal with it. I will also contend that even if they view her lying as objective truth, she can still get what she wants. Do you believe this to be true?

 

[RetiarySword]

All right, I recently asked my parents for a copy of Assassian's Creed 1 and Batman: Arkham Asylum and a $300 PS3. My parents were very hesitant for AC, noticing the M rating. I explained to them that, 'You do more stealth and unraviling the plot more then you do the killings." to which they completely agreed to try and get for me. They completely understood, and my dad said he'd like to play which never happens. Last time he played a videogame, it was my N64 in 1999!

Today I woke up, showered, got all gussied up for church, and went out for breakfast only to have my parents sitting sternly at the table with a Kmart newspaper ad in front of them. They immediatly bombarded me, accusing me of wanting a M rated game and how I should be ashamed as a Christian. I quickly flipped into the ad and saw a offer for AC2, which cost $60 or $70 or so. I told them directly that AC1 was only $20 right now, this was the second one. They called BS on me, saying they would'nt even consider it now. I remember losing my cool, towering over my dad screaming " YOU HAVE MOVIES THAT CURSE MORE THEN THE FUDGIN' GAME! AND YOU ARE CALLING ME A WORSE CHRISTIAN?!?" My dad promptly yelled back at me, saying that I was going to be punshied for even saying that sentance, and I wasant going to get any food for the day and not get any presents. Not even caring, I stormed to my room and cried. Now they are treating me worse then they normally do, glaring at me and calling me it or thing. So as a logical Escapest member to another, is there any advice one can give me for this? It'll be a great help if you can.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I should have cleared some things up. They had asked me specifically what I wanted for Christmas, and I have no ways of collecting money. No allowence, no job because I'm too young, and I've been around my neighbour hood. Nobody wants me to clean their lawns or anything.

Well according to your profile, your 19. Go get a job.

Storming around and crying won't help your current situation or your online reputation.

What you want to do is explain that their wrong, but pick off the weakest one. Don't take them both at the same time they will back eachother up. As parents always want to be seen as the 'understanding and cool' parent you can show them some basic facts, correct them and then hopefully they will be on your side.

 

[thePyro_13]

You ask for $400+ Christmas presents and then get upset when they want to dock you a $20 game?

To be honest you reacted like a spoilt child, but then again you were asking for $400+ worth of stuff so I expected that. You parents went a little overboard, seriously you should be ashamed for wanting a game? I can't believe an adult would behave like that, I feel sympathy for you in that regard.

I find it hard to believe that they would starve you for the day, and not get you anything for Christmas(maybe they were trolling you all along?). If they are serious then they really need someone to give em a lesson in respect. You don't get it for being old or loud or wearing a badge. You earn it, if you have to ask for respect then you don't deserve it.

LOL-NOTE: Maybe your parents dont want you to find out about the Holy Crusades? Knowing that Christians rape and kill people en-mass would probably blow you parents minds by the sound of it.

 

[Skuffyshootster]

Jeez, cut her some slack. I lied about my age, and she even edited the post to say she wasn't old enough to get a job, so I guess she's around 13-14. And at that age, your parents pretty much have the last word on things, unless they're extremely malleable, like mine. So your only options are to deceive them again and hope it works, or deal with it.

 

[Flames66]

Sorry but the OP apparently is 19. More than enough age to have a part time job at least.

Unless the Op lied on her profile if...

I'm just going to guess that she lied. It really isn't that hard. The escapist is the only site where I use my real birthday, because it is the only site where I don't get benefits for being over 18. You do possibly have a point. Maybe I did jump the gun in assuming that she lied about her age.

Or, you're right, she needs to get a job, get an apartment and get a life. If you're 19 and you still live with your parents like this, you are a fucking loser. However I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt right now and just assuming that she is lying about her age.

Well I'm 19 and I still live at home. You making a point there?

Anyway my answer to you would be to become an athiest. Not that I'm blaming religion but I disagree with it's application to real life problems.

 

[Psychemaster]

The Internet will provide anything if you're willing to look hard enough for it.

 

[dragonburner]

But I really don't think you should ask this here. You're probably going to get some "crazy Christians" comments.

Crazy Christians...