Bitchy parents help.

[Woem]

What a very, very odd way for a 19 year old to behave. Seriously.

 

[Bilbo536]

Wow, everyone on this forum is a douchbag. Go easy on the kid. What young person hasn't flipped out when they shouldn't have at least once? I mean, yeah, she messed up, but her parents are being less responsible/more immature than her, I believe. Refering to their child as "it/thing" and refusing to talk out their issues by such childish means as the silent treatment or just talking over her, even though she's made it plain that she wants to talk it out. That's just wrong. Parents should not act this way. I'd say try to find a job, and if you can't, just wait a couple years, get a job when you can drive, then buy both games for a very cheap price. Good luck

 

[DracoSuave]

Wow, everyone on this forum is a douchbag. Go easy on the kid.

Her profile says she's 19.

An adult, legally speaking.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

All right, I recently asked my parents for a copy of Assassian's Creed 1 and Batman: Arkham Asylum and a $300 PS3. My parents were very hesitant for AC, noticing the M rating. I explained to them that, 'You do more stealth and unraviling the plot more then you do the killings." to which they completely agreed to try and get for me. They completely understood, and my dad said he'd like to play which never happens. Last time he played a videogame, it was my N64 in 1999!

Today I woke up, showered, got all gussied up for church, and went out for breakfast only to have my parents sitting sternly at the table with a Kmart newspaper ad in front of them. They immediatly bombarded me, accusing me of wanting a M rated game and how I should be ashamed as a Christian. I quickly flipped into the ad and saw a offer for AC2, which cost $60 or $70 or so. I told them directly that AC1 was only $20 right now, this was the second one. They called BS on me, saying they would'nt even consider it now. I remember losing my cool, towering over my dad screaming " YOU HAVE MOVIES THAT CURSE MORE THEN THE FUDGIN' GAME! AND YOU ARE CALLING ME A WORSE CHRISTIAN?!?" My dad promptly yelled back at me, saying that I was going to be punshied for even saying that sentance, and I wasant going to get any food for the day and not get any presents. Not even caring, I stormed to my room and cried. Now they are treating me worse then they normally do, glaring at me and calling me it or thing. So as a logical Escapest member to another, is there any advice one can give me for this? It'll be a great help if you can.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I should have cleared some things up. They had asked me specifically what I wanted for Christmas, and I have no ways of collecting money. No allowence, no job because I'm too young, and I've been around my neighbour hood. Nobody wants me to clean their lawns or anything.

Evidence, I suppose, would be a valuable tool in your situation.

A link to an amazon/ebay page of AC1.

A few key bible verses about how much god likes killing heathons.

A few R rated movies from your father's collection.

And, lastly, a calm demeanor.

You are 'fighting' with adults, so be an adult.

 

[Bilbo536]

Wow, everyone on this forum is a douchbag. Go easy on the kid.

Her profile says she's 19.

An adult, legally speaking.

Someone brought this up already. My guess is she lied to get the 18+ perks on this website. Whatever they may be. I did that when I was a kid too.

 

[stonethered]

why exactly were they pissed? and WHY exactly are you a bad christian? you kind of left those parts out... Also, you lost a TON of credability when you said you cried about it.

No, he didn't. Real men aren't afraid of their emotions.

I could go into a rant about what real men do, but I won't. I'll just say that I am not afraid of my emotions if that's what you're getting at. and I should probably remind you that it is a game, a twenty - sixty dollar disk that his parent told him (a little harshly) that he couldn't get, if you think that this warrants running into your room and crying, then I am speechless.

It's not just that he didn't get a game--it's that he had a promise broken and was disappointed after having his expectations raised.

Obviously you know little about real emotions if you can't recognize that.

If you cried every time someone let you down; would YOU cry?

If you do, then you'd probably have some pretty severe underlying problems. The world is full of dissapointments and the ability to handle them is important to becoming a productive member of society. A lesson I hope the OP will learn in time.

I could care less about the game; the only parts of the OP's comment that bothered me were his reaction, outrage and coming to the forums for help in a huff, and his parent's reaction, to pull religion and get self-righteous. He should know better, and they should too. No one is right.
And as for help, off-topic forums are never a good place to come for help. His internet time would have been better spent researching religion(if that's what he percieves the issue to be) Vs. violence in gaming. I'm sure he could have found several sites that could have helped him to present a case to better achieve his goals, or at least to enlighten his parents on the issue they seem to have taken such a hard stance on. Even if he still doesn't get AC, presenting an organized set of research with multiple reliable sources is a skill that can come in handy in many fields.
And if his parents still objected and refused to at least listen to him politely present his case; then he would be justified in pursuing other courses of action. I'd say the Bible does support rebellion against tyranical and unreasonable powers; if only because I know how religious many of the founding fathers were. If your parents refuse to listen to clearly evidenced reason, presented politely and respectfully; then their authority should be questioned.
Politely is a very important part of that; give them no reason to refuse you on a personal level. Do your chores, do as your told without hesitation(within reason of course), and commit no offense. If they disagree with you; let it be with your research, let them respond with facts. If nessesairy, insist they research the subject themselves and present their findings; double check each others sources. And if you find that neither of you can sway the other than a rift is present, and you must make the decision whether or not to pursue some other place of dwelling and means of sustenance as soon as you can.


Sorry, I'm rather long winded.

 

[DracoSuave]

Wow, everyone on this forum is a douchbag. Go easy on the kid.

Her profile says she's 19.

An adult, legally speaking.

Someone brought this up already. My guess is she lied to get the 18+ perks on this website. Whatever they may be. I did that when I was a kid too.

Well someone's lying about something then.

I wouldn't know, when I was 18 they didn't really -have- forums. Not in the way they do now. It's actually something I -never- had to really worry about.

 

[jam3sj]

Wow, everyone on this forum is a douchbag. Go easy on the kid.

Her profile says she's 19.

An adult, legally speaking.

Someone brought this up already. My guess is she lied to get the 18+ perks on this website. Whatever they may be. I did that when I was a kid too.

If she is going to lie about being an adult she could at least act like one... crying over video games is sad.

 

[Aesir23]

*snip*

*claps* Well said. I know I've said something similar to what I'm about to say earlier in the thread but meh.

It seems to me that a lot of people can't grasp the fact that the best way to deal with parents is calmly and politely. Having a screaming & crying hissy fit will in no way get you what you want and will often result in a situation that's even worse than what you started with. For example: The OP started off with getting a PS3 and Arkham Asylum but no AC1. After the temper tantrum, not only is she not getting AC1, she's not getting the PS3 or Arkham Asylum either.

As you said, if she'd done her research and presented them to her parents with a calm and polite demeanor, then things may have turned out much better for her situation. And if that doesn't work, then it's best just to cut your losses.

 

[Jekken6]

Ok, you started a screaming match with your parents. Tha makes the situation worse.

Secondly, you're getting Arkham Asylum, which is a fucking awesome game and a PS3.

Thirdly, tell your parents that is historically based ( so is the second one) and that you may learn something, maybe a little about religious ideology in the case of the first one.

Also, you and your parents need to be more mature about the situation. You and your parents need to remember it's just a videogame and chill the fuck out. My parents don't really mind me playing games with questionable content, as long as they don't have to see or hear it.

EDIT: oh, TC, you and your parents need this :

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

If they're pulling religion on you? Wow. I'm too open-minded, I guess, because I can't even see how that should be a problem in a normally-functioning person's mind.
Also, "fudgin'"? Getting 'grounded' for that? More like for yelling at your parents.

Idk, it just seems like you BOTH overreacted. Them for being rather intolerant *insert expletive here* who won't consider that they saw the wrong ad, and then "shaming you with Christianity" ; you for asking for 2 $50 games and a $300 gaming system, then screaming bloody murder at them and throwing a tantrum on a Sunday morning when they balked on ONE of them.

Y'know how much AC costs on PC? $5 on Steam.

Do some research, get a job, do SOMETHING. Save up your Christmas money or the like. I wouldn't ask for $400 gifts out of the blue. If you even get the PS3, consider yourself lucky.

EDIT: also? Played AC. Way to try to bullshit your parents. The game's pretty much ALL killing.

 

[Kimjira19]

plain and simple. your parents are assholes. my parents would never treat me that way. we have an open dialogue. maybe when i was 12 they would not let me see certain movies or play certain games but they never blew up in my face about it. your parents are pretty out of line in my opinion. I am tempted to by the game for you and send it to you secretly, just to piss them off. but i would rather not get you into deeper trouble.

 

[Sexy Street]

This place has turned into a pissing contest.

 

[Kimjira19]

especially, since they are acting like children about the situation. they could be adults and not treat you so hostily. I apologize if you take offense to me calling you parents assholes, but i was pretty damn angry.

 

[Borrowed Time]

I in no way, shape or form attacked their denomination. All I stated was that it could play a key role in their way of thinking because of the exact reason I stated. They put more emphasis on the "rules" (put in quotes for those of you who believe that religion does not = morality) then on Christ's love.

You basically make it sound like they follow the letter of Christ's message rather than the spirit of it. You should says something like "in addition to" instead of, well, "instead of." Saying they follow A instead of B makes it sound like they are doing something wrong if B is a good thing.

Hrm, sorry you misunderstood? And are you really going to resort to arguing semantics at this point?

Are you really saying an argument over the meaning of words doesn't have anything to do with whether what someone wrote is derogatory remark? That's kinda like saying math has nothing to do with criticizing your solution to a physics problem.

It was a matter of word choice. And language has very little to do with mathematics. With one wrong number you will get a different and often incorrect result. With language many words can be used to convey a thought or idea. You really are just nitpicking my statements because you can't find fault in the subject matter so instead are attacking or as you so elequently put, making derogatory remarks toward what you "think" I should have said. Basically you're trying to make my disagreement with an idea sound worse then it really is by using wordplay and the like, hypocricy much?

There are some denominations that completely disregard the message of Love and embrace fully the legalistic aspects of the Old Testament. I stated that this could be an influence on the situation. How does my using "instead of" change that? As I said, you're nitpicking just to argue.

Also, the "follow the letter of Christ's message" is not what legalism is generally refering to when used in a Biblical sense. Usually it's actually the rules laid out in the Old Testament and the twisting of them for the Pharisees, etc... own control of the Jewish population. Then again you and I hardly see eye to eye on anything in this forum.

Also, I never stated that by providing the bare minimum, a parent would be a good parent. A parent's first and foremost responsiblity is to their child's survival. End of story.

Now, to be a good parent, you must provide for their emotional, mental, spiritual (take that as religious or the conceptual "human soul" point if you will) growth, as well as providing for their maturation and helping to guide their decision making processes.

Well, you kinda did state that by providing the bare minimum, a parent would be a good parent--you said: "Everything else that they give you is out of their own benevolence and because they want to give those things to you." Everything else but "What many here have said about your parents only needing to give you the bare minimum." How is it 'benevolence and what they want' to live up to their duty to be a good parent?

No I didn't say that. As I said you are inserting words where there weren't any. You're making assumptions that don't exist. "Everything else that they give you is out of their own benevolence and because they want to give those things to you." means exactly what it says. Because they want to be a good parent, they want to be philanthropic with you. They want to give you things that will entertain you and enlighten you. Because they want to be a good parent and want to see you succeed they will provide you with a good education. Because they want to be a good parent and make sure you're well clothed they will give you a nice pair of jeans instead of a crappy pair that are holier then the Pope. (Haha, humor, omg!)

Parents don't do those things because they have to. If they did have to, then we'd have a lot more well adjusted and mentally/emotionaly secure individuals then we do. If parents actually acted as good parents, there would be a lot less school shootings and criminals in the world. If parents wanted to be good parents, more children would grow up in loving, caring homes where they aren't belittled, molested, beaten. Maybe then they wouldn't be emotionaly abused just because they wanted an M rated video game.

Please stop putting words in my mouth or text in my post Cheeze. (figuratively)

Please stop accusing me of putting words in your mouth when I'm just responding to the words you wrote but may not have intended to write. I'm not a mind reader--you can't blame me for misunderstanding you when you didn't express yourself clearly.

I've expressed myself plenty clearly as many people in this thread have agreed with my post. I'm sorry that you can't grasp what I've said and see the context, instead you search for the small things to argue about that really hold little bearing, hense, nitpicking. If you have a problem with my religion, then say it, don't use this thread as a thinly veiled attempt to belittle it.

Commenting on your discussion with Dys as well, the parents made the agreement based upon the OP's description of the game. They initially had reservations about the game, but after a very watered down and generalized description,

It was not "a very watered down and generalized description."

Yes, it was. As you say below, if we "make the assumption that the small portion is accurate" then what she said was that it's mainly a stealth game that is plot driven (paraphrasing), that is incredibly generalized and watered down. Example: Say my boys knew I didn't want them to play a certain type of game. So they tell me, "Hey Dad, there's this really cool two player game where you battle each other and try to win against the other person. You get to choose characters and stuff, it's got a pretty cool story too!" That's a fairly generalized and watered down version of Mortal Kombat. No where was there a statement of arms being ripped off, spines being torn out, people being burned to a cinder, players being frozen then shattered into a million pieces or people's heads being bitten off. Does that make a little more sense to you now?

Don't forget that we're only getting a small portion of the story.

We're also having this discussion based on the assumption that the small portion is accurate.

A small portion that is accurate, coming from someone who has already admitted to being misleading to their own parents, let alone a bunch of people on some internet forum. Ass U Me. As I said, both she and her parents have points, but are also in the wrong.

*snip*

*claps* Well said. I know I've said something similar to what I'm about to say earlier in the thread but meh.

It seems to me that a lot of people can't grasp the fact that the best way to deal with parents is calmly and politely. Having a screaming & crying hissy fit will in no way get you what you want and will often result in a situation that's even worse than what you started with. For example: The OP started off with getting a PS3 and Arkham Asylum but no AC1. After the temper tantrum, not only is she not getting AC1, she's not getting the PS3 or Arkham Asylum either.

As you said, if she'd done her research and presented them to her parents with a calm and polite demeanor, then things may have turned out much better for her situation. And if that doesn't work, then it's best just to cut your losses.

Exactly, as I said in a previous post, treating your parents with disrespect or getting into a screaming match with them triggers the "ME PARENT YOU CHILD" response. That just screws it up for everyone and shuts down any and all communication, as is apparent in this situation.

 

[jboking]

"If you can't feel right about playing it in front of me, which you will be doing, then you don't play it."

That's kinda ridiculous--I wouldn't feel comfortable taking a bath in front of my parents, but that doesn't mean I should stop washing.

Not even remotely similar. You need to bathe, you don't need to play a violent video game.

So you believe there is no concept of privacy except for things that you need to do?

When it comes to playing video games, there really doesn't need to be. I should clarify the rule they set down revolved solely around video games.

Now, while you didn't directly lie, you toned down what occurs in the game.

Not really--I mean, the killing in Assassin's Creed is pretty tame.

Tame is subjective. her parent's may see the killing in a different light than you and me.

"Toned down" is equally subjective: you can't make an argument to me and then when I respond, undercut my argument by undercutting your own, previous argument.

Well, you can--it's America, land of the free--but I'm pointing out that you're rejecting your own initial point in criticizing mine in this way.

How about this then, she provided a slightly skewed version of the game to make her parents more accepting of it. She purposely avoided talking about the assassinations(which were the point of the game) and instead focused on the information retrieval and other aspects of the game. If she is anything like I was back in the day(before I had the discussion with my parents), she simply skipped over some of the parts of the game she knew her parents wouldn't like.

They feel hurt and betrayed, that is something you have to understand in order to advance the situation in a positive direction. In the future, be 100% honest about what occurs in the game. Is there a lot of killing involved? Yes, then tell them so.

If parents can't figure out that there's going to be killing in a game called Assassin's Creed, then those parents need to get Hooked on Phonics.

I would like to quickly ask you, what do you expect from a game called "Ratchet and Clank"? You could expect a character named Ratchet and a character named Clank, but what past that? How about this, what can you expect from a game called "I want to be the guy"?

Titles can be misleading.

How is the title "Assassin's Creed" misleading about the fact that the game involves killing? That's like saying the title "Grand Theft Auto" is misleading about the fact that you can steal cars.

I can see you aren't getting the point I'm trying to make here. It's that they trusted her. You can call them idiots for trusting someone they love, fine, at least understand where I'm coming from here.

That's an extreme situation. If your parents are having literal "Drop to the floor and swing your arms about" temper tantrums then that is an entirely different situation. However, if your parents are acting like the OP's(or like mine did, aka. A little unreasonable) the first step to solving the situation is acting like an adult yourself. At the very least, they respond to that better than yelling or temper tantrums.

I'm sure they will, but, my guess is they're respond *best* to you acting immature in the ways that they want you to be immature.

Care to go a little further into the ways they want you to be immature? What is your view of maturity?

Um, they didn't just decide they weren't going to pay for it--they decided to break a promise. Doesn't matter who's hobby it is: breaking a promise is wrong.

alright, I can see where you are coming from, but you have to consider what the OP did first. She downplayed something that she knew her parents wouldn't like, even though it is a critical part of the game.

I still don't think the OP downplayed anything.

If you say so...This line of argumentation should just be ended as a, "We have different views and not enough information about the situation to have a real debate on the subject," point

Also, how far can you keep a promise? If you find out later that keeping it could seriously mentally harm the person you promised, would you still do it? (This part isn't about AC, just promises in general)

That's a valid reason. I don't see a valid reason here, and even if there is one, when you have to break a promise because you screwed up, you don't try and convince the other person it was their fault if it wasn't--you man up, and take responsibility for your actions.

What about when you didn't screw up, what about when you were purposely mislead? What if it is the other person that mislead you? Are you simply supposed to compliment them on their ability to lie and then pretend it was entirely your fault? Are you not supposed to be slightly angry at your source of information when they provide you with something that is not the truth? (Just a reminder, I didn't intend for this to have anything to do with AC, it was a simple question)




I should also state, in no way am I saying that her parents are right in acting the way they are now(not allowing her to talk, etc., etc.). My first post was focused at making sure the OP understood things from her parents perspective, as well as providing some advice as to how to handle things from someone who has personally experienced a similar problem. Cheeze, you can go ahead and continue to criticize me in anyway you want, just realize the point of my post was the one above.