Bitchy parents help.

[lykopis783]

You still have internet to post this. You can't be that badly off. And really, from what your profile says I'm only about a year older than you and I've been working for six years (and for five of those years I had no license, went to school out of district which meant no bus, and lived in the middle of absolute no where) if lazy me can work that out to buy my own yay me goth pants, you can prolly find some kinna job and buy your own crap. You're parents aren't obligated to buy you anything.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Man, asking for help here is like going to church for an abortion!

 

[Pimppeter2]

Appologise, I'm sure your tone ment more than your message

 

[nicholaxxx]

why exactly were they pissed? and WHY exactly are you a bad christian? you kind of left those parts out... Also, you lost a TON of credability when you said you cried about it.

 

[Klepa]

Let me give you another point of view.

Assassin's Creed is a game where you are an assassin, who mercilessly feeds christian crusaders tens of inches of metal through the jugular. When you're not killing the godly men who are trying to save the holy land, you're watching weird occultist writings on the wall, written in blood.

Now imagine yourself playing Assassin's Creed in front of your devout christian father.
Now imagine the shitstorm that you're going to be in the middle of, when your pious father realizes what kind of a game you are playing.

I'm not bashing on christians, not this time around anyway. I'm just saying that you might be in for an even worse surprise, if one of your parents misinterpret the game you're playing.

So how about getting.. GTAIV instead?

 

[Blackvegie]

So are they mad at you because they confused AC 1 with AC 2 and thought you were lying about the price or did they decide that you shouldn't have an M rated game?

Also he didn't really ask for help, he mentioned help in the title but his post doesn't really encourage any solutions.

 

[jboking]

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Your parents may have been caught by surprise when they actually did some research on the game or the like and found something they don't like. Once they found that information, they may have felt mislead by your "toning down" of the description.

While this fellows entire post oozes of wisdom that you likely should heed, I believe this one comment gets at the real crux of the problem. Let's be honest, we both know what occurs in assassins creed. It's in the games title, you assassinate people. Yes, you gather information and do other things leading up to the assassination, but along the way you are likely killing any number of guards. Your parents were worried about you getting a glorified view of what it is to be an assassin, and this game could easily provide it. They were worried about you, try and remember that.

Speaking from the perspective of someone who was in a similar situation with his parents(though we are apparently the same age), the best thing you can do is let them cool down from this(it could take quite some time, try to be a good kid until then) and have a real discussion about this game and games that contain a bit of mature content in general. I had to do this with my parents and afterwords my restrictions were nuzzled down to, "If you can't feel right about playing it in front of me, which you will be doing, then you don't play it."

Most importantly, never lie to them. They will find out.

Now, while you didn't directly lie, you toned down what occurs in the game. They feel hurt and betrayed, that is something you have to understand in order to advance the situation in a positive direction. In the future, be 100% honest about what occurs in the game. Is there a lot of killing involved? Yes, then tell them so. Is there going to be blood? Yes, then tell them so. The first step to them giving you more freedom is showing them that you can act like an adult about it(even if they are not acting like adults themselves).

Finally, as someone of the same age as you I have a bit of advice. You need to get a job. Not just for this situation either. Remember video games are an expensive hobby, and you can't expect your parents to fund the whole thing. It's your hobby and they are allowing you to have it because they want you to be happy, but you can't call foul when they decide they aren't going to pay for something. You'll find it a lot easier to get the games you want when it is your money you are using(of course, you may run into some other problems: "I only have money for one game this month. It's October...*sad face*"). Oh, and it is really hard to get a decent job later on if you don't have job experience. Just get your first, and likely shittiest, job out of the way as fast as you can.

 

[Dys]

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Forgive me for not reinforcing the fantasy that a a clearly underage kid, who lives and relies on his parents is entitled to mature content that contradicts his parents wishes. If you want to go against your parents wishes, especially if it's while you still live with them and rely entirely upon them, then you can pay for it yourself or better yet, respect their wishes.

If the OP posts some selfish rant about how they feel they are entitled to a videogame that is far too old for them, they should do so expecting the majority of the community to be dismissive. He's too young to get a job for gods sake, what business does he have playing a mature rated game? What possible discussion does some angsty teenage rant add to the forum anyway? I've no doubt if the mods were to see the thread they would more likely than not dismiss it much in the same way many of the users have. Regardless of how dismissive the early posts were, how is "If it's that bad living with your parents, quit your bitching and move out" anything but solid advice? It's what any mature person would do.

The line between "angsty teenage rant" and "conflict with parents" can easily be found by what sort of response they want to receive. An angsty teen wants people to tell them, "Yeah, your parents are terrible people. You're right, and your parents are wrong."

The OP says, word-for-word, " So as a logical Escapest member to another, is there any advice one can give me for this? It'll be a great help if you can."

That is not "angsty teen." Not all problems you encounter at a young age are a child getting too big for their britches.

I accept that not all teen parent problems should be dismissed, but given the OPs age and attitude I'm inclined to think his creating a lot from very little.

We're only getting his side of this story. You mean to tell me you beleive for a second that he has free acess to the internet yet his parents are rampant control freaks? That he's been banished to his room with no food, but he has acess to a computer with full internet acess? They are clearly more liberal than a responsible parent should be (given the age I'm assuming him to be). He's being dramatic, everything from his word choice to the obvious exageration suggests he wants our sympathy. Simply put, he isn't getting any sympathy from me.

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Forgive me for not reinforcing

Calling that "not reinforcing" is like calling the chopping off of a limb with a minor infection "making sure your survived your wound."

Alright fine, probably a fair comment.

I just don't understand why you people are so quick to turn nasty when it's clearly not called for. Why are you all such Internet Tough Guys? There was a time when this did not happen on The Escapist.

Perhaps 'Shooting down a stupid beleif' would've been better wording. This sense of entitlement the youth of today have goes far beyond my tolerance levels,

What are you talking about entitlement? The kid asked for the game that has sunk down into the bargain bin rather than the latest installment of the game: doesn't sound much like entitlement to me.

The kid is angry that he asked for something, his parents said yes, and now his parents are breaking their promise for no good reason. Having a 'sense of entitlement' doesn't mean 'eating shit and liking it'. It's entitlement now to expect people to live up to their promises?

On top of that, they're saying he should be ashamed to be a Christian: that's spiritual abuse--they agreed to an M rated game and now are breaking their promise and shaming him so they don't have to face up to their dishonesty? Are you kidding me?

and you can be damn sure that no child of mine will be rewarded for having a tuntrum when I refuse to buy them a game (or film, book, television show etc) that I deem inappropriate. That's what parenting is. Your child is your child, not your friend...

Um, they didn't refuse: they agreed and then broke their promise. That's what you think parenting is: making promises to your children and then breaking them, and shaming them on top of it for believing you?

Your child is your child, not your friend...

Exactly--you owe WAY more to your child than you do to just a friend. Your authority flows from your commitment to being the best parent you can be, which means when you don't act out of concern for your child's well-being, you have no authority.

You're right, there was a time when people weren't such assholes on the escapist. Though if I recall the many months of my lurking the userbase was also far older and there were a whole lot less "girlfriend help" and "daddy doesn't love me" threads.

He mislead his parents. At the absolute most they promised to get him a game where 'You do more stealth and unraviling the plot more then you do the killings", not a game where you go around stalking people so you can later put them down, though what's far more likely was they agreed to consider it not realizing the full impact of the game. Your parents asking you what you want for your birthday and agreeing that it sounds reasonable does not entitle you to that gift, especially when they are misinformed. And where are you going saying that he doesn't expect much, sure the AC title is cheap, but the $300 PS3 and new release title sure as hell are't. Sure some parents buy their kids that much shit, but just because they can doesn't mean they should (in fact, I'd argue that less is more as it motivates them to get a job and have some semblance of independance though that's starting to stray to far from the topic at hand).

At least we agree about the nature of a relationship between parent and child, though in this case with what's been presented I'm inclined to side with the parents than you.

 

[feather240]

Are you seriously 19? I would expect this from a 11 year old.

The game isn't the point and I'm getting really tired of everyone who thinks it is.

Sorry but the OP apparently is 19. More than enough age to have a part time job at least.

Unless the Op lied on her profile if...

I'm just going to guess that she lied. It really isn't that hard. The escapist is the only site where I use my real birthday, because it is the only site where I don't get benefits for being over 18. You do possibly have a point. Maybe I did jump the gun in assuming that she lied about her age.

Or, you're right, she needs to get a job, get an apartment and get a life. If you're 19 and you still live with your parents like this, you are a fucking loser. However I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt right now and just assuming that she is lying about her age.

Maybe she thought the sign-up would lock her out if she was under 18.

Man, asking for help here is like going to church for an abortion!

I laugh inside my head every time I see the flowers near the abortion grave at my families church. If you know about plant biology you'll get it.

 

[MrNixon21]

It is at this moment I'd like to joyfully remind everyone the crusader of Christian values in video games, Jack Thompson, was disbarred in Florida because he's a scare-mongering idiot. Please remind your parents, OP, that if JT is any indication of the movement saying video games are a poison to your mind, the argument itself lacks any real or serious credibility.

 

[matsugawa]

Okay, so they knew it was an M-rated game. You explained to them how it's not just mindless violence. They were convinced and agreed to getting it. Suddenly, they see the ad for the game's sequel, apparently get sticker shock, and suddenly not only change their mind despite explanations of the real price, but try to play the shame-game with you. You get a little rebellious, and they, by all objective measure, overreact. Parents need to set examples for their kids, and clearly they're not doing that.

There's nothing cool about parents starving their kids, and if they're going to kill Christmas just because you called them out on their double-standards, that's just wrong on their part. I mean, I don't have kids, and I'm not a Catholic anymore, but even if I did and was, I would never do that to them.

As for what to do, I have no idea. I'm chicken-livered now, and I was even worse when I was living with my parents, so I don't have a willful source to draw upon. So, the best I can give is, "endure it now, make plans to get out of there soon."

 

[Littlee300]

Nothing bad about getting a rated M game if you are not a idiot, and can separate fiction from non-fiction. Example: Little kids will go around and put there friends plastic bags after playing man hunt. Also maybe you should explain to your parents that you can handle it and it wont effect your religion (remember you can separate fiction from non-fiction) Yelling at parents, not good method and kinda gives the spoiled kid impression

 

[Borrowed Time]

I in no way, shape or form attacked their denomination. All I stated was that it could play a key role in their way of thinking because of the exact reason I stated. They put more emphasis on the "rules" (put in quotes for those of you who believe that religion does not = morality) then on Christ's love.

You basically make it sound like they follow the letter of Christ's message rather than the spirit of it. You should says something like "in addition to" instead of, well, "instead of." Saying they follow A instead of B makes it sound like they are doing something wrong if B is a good thing.

Hrm, sorry you misunderstood? And are you really going to resort to arguing semantics at this point? Also, the "follow the letter of Christ's message" is not what legalism is generally refering to when used in a Biblical sense. Usually it's actually the rules laid out in the Old Testament and the twisting of them for the Pharisees, etc... own control of the Jewish population. Then again you and I hardly see eye to eye on anything in this forum.

Also, I never stated that by providing the bare minimum, a parent would be a good parent. A parent's first and foremost responsiblity is to their child's survival. End of story.

Now, to be a good parent, you must provide for their emotional, mental, spiritual (take that as religious or the conceptual "human soul" point if you will) growth, as well as providing for their maturation and helping to guide their decision making processes.

Please stop putting words in my mouth or text in my post Cheeze. (figuratively)

Commenting on your discussion with Dys as well, the parents made the agreement based upon the OP's description of the game. They initially had reservations about the game, but after a very watered down and generalized description, they agreed. Now, personally, I wouldn't have agreed until after I had done some research and I do concede that they made a mistake in that respect. As a parent though, if you feel you enter an agreement with your child under false information and feel mislead, which they most likely felt once they actually did some research on the game as I would, a parent would most assuredly feel disappointment, frustration and anger at having been in essence lied to.

Don't forget that we're only getting a small portion of the story. I know that my boys have a tendency to only give the information that makes them seem to be in the right when they relay a story back to me about how "unfair mom is being over X and Y". When I later find out the rest of the information from my wife, I get the entire story and generally tend to see a much broader picture of what truly happened. You must take what anyone says, especially in a one sided argument such as this, with a mountain of salt.

 

[nicholaxxx]

And the Escapist Community is already bitching on page 1, no surprise. It is almost laughable how the simplest of concepts escape you retards. Even before the edits you can easily infer some things about the relationship with their parents that some of you are missing. Let me spell it out for you pricks.

1. This isn't about the fucking video game
Obviously this is an ongoing long term issue with the way his parents react. People don't get upset over stupid things like not getting what they want for Christmas. This probably has more to do with the fact that the parents are acting like children. Thinking that the best way to deal with a problem is to ignore it, and placing double standards.
something tells me he would have been talking about the other shit. HE CRIED OVER IT so it obviously isn't something that happens often unless he as delicate as a flower.

2. They obviously asked what he wanted for Christmas
Why is it so hard to believe that maybe there was a reason he was telling his parents a list of expensive things he wanted one month before a major gift giving holiday. Feeling stupid now, you should.
why exactly should we be feeling stupid? it doesn't matter WHY they denied him something for no reason, they still made a promise and then broke that promise for some weak reason.

3. Learn the child labor laws of your country
I am so sick and tired of this damn "get a job" thing that people do at the < 16s. You know what most states child labor laws say: no job until 14, job choice heavily restricted until 16, less restricted until 18. Even then there is transportation to worry about and the fact that some parents do not want their children to earn money. This loosens their grip on their children, and some control freak parents will actually fight it. So shut the fuck up when you haven't done the research. Seriously paper routes, do you think they actually still have kids delivering those on bikes? Fucking retards.
there are a lot of kids who have paper routes, and you're right, they don't do it on bikes, they do it draging little red wagons... I should also point out that this kid is 19, and there is nothing stopping him from just taking the car into the city or wherever and getting a job.

4. Just because somebody has it worse doesn't mean somebody's situation isn't bad
My fucking god people. Yes, someone somewhere in the world is worse off than this kid, a lot of people are, but that doesn't mean that this is a healthy parent child relationship. You can say that about anyone in the fucking West. What's that? You lost your job, your wife of 20 years left you, your kids were raped by a gang and committed suicide and now you're an alcoholic? Oh well that doesn't matter, because somebody I don't know on the other side of the world is worse off than you are.
what they're saying is for him to get the fuck over it, it's a game. A GAME, his parent's still over-reacted. That shit happens, deal with it.

Fucking pricks.

My responces in bold.

 

[nicholaxxx]

why exactly were they pissed? and WHY exactly are you a bad christian? you kind of left those parts out... Also, you lost a TON of credability when you said you cried about it.

No, he didn't. Real men aren't afraid of their emotions.

I could go into a rant about what real men do, but I won't. I'll just say that I am not afraid of my emotions if that's what you're getting at. and I should probably remind you that it is a game, a twenty - sixty dollar disk that his parent told him (a little harshly) that he couldn't get, if you think that this warrants running into your room and crying, then I am speechless.