RDR has amazing multiplayer, I loved the multiplayer, but maybe because I was for some reason really really good at it.Kurt Horsting said:
Black Ops is ok, but RDR isn't?!
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Really? The store clerk can get in trouble for selling a game to an adult who happens to have a kid with them? Although it seems kind of obvious that the kid is the one who's going to be playing it, how can anyone prove that? It is also my personal stance that parents should have a far bigger say in this matter than a game rating advisory board. If something gets a rating of 18+, it doesn't mean that it is completely unsuitable for anyone under 18 (if it did, that'd actually be kind of risky, since a lot of 18-year-olds are more mature than a lot of 19 and 20-year olds). And the #1 people to decide whether something is suitable for a child, are his/her parents.strangeotron said:
IMO, ideally the clerk would have pointed out the age rating to the woman, and explained why it might be bad to buy it for her kid. And after that it should have totally been the mother's decision. Anyway, that's what I think.
As to the real topic at hand, I think a lot of people have already pointed out valid distinctions between the games that might sway some people towards saying one is more mature and/or less suitable for their own child. Which is a lot better than the utterly moronic assumption that the woman must be a retard for saying that there is an (unspecified) difference between two different games.
As others have said, games are not subject to the rules about buying for those under age. It's defined as a moral issue, and all GAME group employees are taught as such.
That said, everyone in any store I've worked in tries to make sure all buyers are aware of the content. It's hard not to give up though, as 9 times out of 10 the parent will buy the damn game anyway.
Please don't blame GAME for "milking" parents, they're a games retail company. Their real focus is sales, same as if you were in a phone shop or something, but most do agree that 7 year olds shouldn't be playing CODBLOPS or RDR.
We vigorously ID, and always mention the Age restictions to the adult. As I said, 9/10 times the adult doesn't care. We can't do much about that apathy. If we refuse the sale, the kid will just pester power the adult into HMV/Gamestation/supermarkets/indies.
That said, everyone in any store I've worked in tries to make sure all buyers are aware of the content. It's hard not to give up though, as 9 times out of 10 the parent will buy the damn game anyway.
Please don't blame GAME for "milking" parents, they're a games retail company. Their real focus is sales, same as if you were in a phone shop or something, but most do agree that 7 year olds shouldn't be playing CODBLOPS or RDR.
We vigorously ID, and always mention the Age restictions to the adult. As I said, 9/10 times the adult doesn't care. We can't do much about that apathy. If we refuse the sale, the kid will just pester power the adult into HMV/Gamestation/supermarkets/indies.
Well my Parents let me buy Grand Theft Auto games. They never really said "You can't buy this". I don't know whether it's because they didn't think they would have an effect on me, or didn't care.
I was basically raised by games, and I turned out ok. Emotionally and socially repressed, but still ok.
I was basically raised by games, and I turned out ok. Emotionally and socially repressed, but still ok.
I'm guessing that she has a friend who bought RDR and Black Ops for her son and told her Black Ops is about MURRIKANS fighting for MURRIKA by shooting evil foreigners and that Red Dead Redemption is about Cowboys and prostitutes slaughtering and skinning bunnies.
Or like others have said she's aware of Rockstar's library, Manhunt, GTA and Bully, and before anyone says parents don't remember that stuff, my mum still remembers Manhunt, back when we only had a PS2 and one big tv we had to play our games with our parents usually in the same room, and my Mum still says she can hear the sound of Machetes tearing through necks.
Or like others have said she's aware of Rockstar's library, Manhunt, GTA and Bully, and before anyone says parents don't remember that stuff, my mum still remembers Manhunt, back when we only had a PS2 and one big tv we had to play our games with our parents usually in the same room, and my Mum still says she can hear the sound of Machetes tearing through necks.
i do beleive that the nudity might be an issue. however in my opinion, it might be because of how in CoD you are defending America, while RDR is like GTA
[rant]you look at your game, now back to mine, now back to yours, now back to mine, sadly it isn't mine, but if it stopped using gritty urban settings an started using an old west feel, at least it could look like mine... I'm on a horse (sorry just had to try that)[/rant]
[rant]you look at your game, now back to mine, now back to yours, now back to mine, sadly it isn't mine, but if it stopped using gritty urban settings an started using an old west feel, at least it could look like mine... I'm on a horse (sorry just had to try that)[/rant]
A typical scenario in my workplace is a twelve year-old boy approaching the till with a 16+ or 18+ game, my irritated self sending them away for not having I.D., and then their parents trotting over to buy the game for them. This is at least tolerable because I can then inform the parent that the game is rated 18+ (I'm not a killjoy, I just know from experience that the majority of parents don't even glance at what they're being handed, so they have a right to know - plus you can never be too sure when Trading Standards are hanging around :/). Most of them just say "yes yes I know but it's only a video game" which is sorta an argument I agree with (I was raised on Duke Nukem, Quake and Carmageddon from about age six and I've never felt the urge to kill anybody who isn't Sarah Palin), but the worst ones are parents who come back into the store after purchasing the game for their kid and shouting at us for allowing the sale to go through.
I think it's up for the parents to decide what their child should or should not be exposed to, but it does seem dumb of the parent in the OP's post to allow one 18+ game but not another, even if the two games differ wildly in content (a fact which, with her shallow reasoning, she does not seem to be particularly aware of).
I think it's up for the parents to decide what their child should or should not be exposed to, but it does seem dumb of the parent in the OP's post to allow one 18+ game but not another, even if the two games differ wildly in content (a fact which, with her shallow reasoning, she does not seem to be particularly aware of).
Thank you very much.Mehall said:
Yeah. I hate IDing, especially for video games. The general public seem aware that they may be carded for DVDs, but when you ask for ID over a video game they keep trying to peddle that it's only a recommendation, despite all of our tills having bright shiny stickers on them saying that it's illegal to sell a video game to someone under-age without ID. Complete with diagrams. Amazing how they can read up on all that legal stuff but can't read our stickers
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Its because of sexual content. RDR has at least one scene of explicit sex, and not a particularly pleasant one at tht. Black Ops, while more violent, is ONLY violent, and many households in America think of violent content as being "better" than sexual for minors.
Just kind of a cultural thing. Plus, its made by Rockstar, and they've had something of a black mark on their name ever since the Hot Coffee thing.
Just kind of a cultural thing. Plus, its made by Rockstar, and they've had something of a black mark on their name ever since the Hot Coffee thing.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's it's because Rockstar has a bad reputation. That and the aforementioned boobs and pubes comments. Not to mention the fact that you're playing a criminal. That and the whole thing with black ops being against people that everyone views as bad.
I'd just let it go. Maybe the mother was limiting her son to 1 M-rated game, rather than 2. Some parents seem to be doing take in some cases.
I think of it has to do with just the cover art. I mean here we have black ops with a standard tough guy pose that can be found pretty much anywhere. RDR apes the grindhouse feel for its cover, and has a menacing cowboy pointing a shotgun at the viewer. I know its stupid but I am guessing the parent ticked off by the cover.