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[Ironic Pirate]

That's because in Halo, people take at least two dozen bullets to kill, which makes melee feasible. In COD it takes five, with the very weakest gun, and that's if you miss twice. People will just shoot each at point blank rather than stab.

Fair point, but then again I wouldn't mind that so much. Melee is overpowered in MW2. In a game like CoD it should be used for surprise assassinations and last-ditch attempts only, if you ask me. The gun butt idea is perfect for that.

Sadly, by the looks of it, knifing will only get worse in Black Ops. The Ballistic Knife...oh dear...

What's the ballistic knife? Does it shoot things?

Anyway, I think an ideal system would be more like BC2, it's very satisfying, and there's minimal auto-aim. The best, actually, would be a gun but for a single press, and a knife that you either have to switch to, or hold down the button for. That would slow it down...

 

[Scolar Visari]

Wow man, that's pretty much what I want for every game ever. You're the first person in a while who I've seen suggest that. Do you play Red Orchestra by any chance?

Can't say I do, sorry. It's a WWII shooter, right?

Yeah and it does weapons much better than anything out there. Actual recoil, accurate damage, ability to brace the weapon against something for better accuracy and much much more.

 

[shootthebandit]

That's because in Halo, people take at least two dozen bullets to kill, which makes melee feasible. In COD it takes five, with the very weakest gun, and that's if you miss twice. People will just shoot each at point blank rather than stab.

Fair point, but then again I wouldn't mind that so much. Melee is overpowered in MW2. In a game like CoD it should be used for surprise assassinations and last-ditch attempts only, if you ask me. The gun butt idea is perfect for that.

Sadly, by the looks of it, knifing will only get worse in Black Ops. The Ballistic Knife...oh dear...

What's the ballistic knife? Does it shoot things?

Anyway, I think an ideal system would be more like BC2, it's very satisfying, and there's minimal auto-aim. The best, actually, would be a gun but for a single press, and a knife that you either have to switch to, or hold down the button for. That would slow it down...

i dont know why people complain about the ballistic knife, i loved the throwing knife in MW2 and this is better

basically the ballistic knife is a standard knife but if you are in trouble you can fire the blade.

i plan on using the ballistic knife exclusivly as a secondry with crossbow as primary

 

[MiracleOfSound]

360-only beta? What madness is this? Not even PC?

I guess I can see why they would aim a MW2 successor at the Halo crowd, but still.

It's all speculation at this point but apparently it was linked to the official COD site... If this is true I will jizz my pants.

And I'll be angry. My 360 doesn't have an Internet connection, so no beta for me. D:

Also do you have that link still? I went to callofduty.com but it said nothing about a beta.

It's in the OP

 

[Cowabungaa]

What's the ballistic knife? Does it shoot things?

Anyway, I think an ideal system would be more like BC2, it's very satisfying, and there's minimal auto-aim. The best, actually, would be a gun but for a single press, and a knife that you either have to switch to, or hold down the button for. That would slow it down...

The ballistic knife can be seen at 0:31:
It's a knife that shoots a knife, and you can still stab people with it. And look at that leap! Ridiculous...

As for melee in general, if you ask me there are 2 extremes in the melee-spectrum that work really well. One extreme is Halo's gun butt system; less damage (one hit kill from the back though), last ditch kinda thing. Then there's the Counter Strike way of making it an actual separate weapon.

Adding both systems in the same game sounds...interesting.

i dont know why people complain about the ballistic knife, i loved the throwing knife in MW2 and this is better

Because it looks immensely overpowered.

 

[imnot]

You guys are stupid.especially miracle of sound.Having halo playlist would be stupid because most player like to see their stats.Miracle said something about the knifing was gay cuz people would go into a room and knife everyone and people shooting at him well if your going to shoot at him, shoot to kill, cuz if you shoot him he can't knife you retarded.COD is perfect as it is.I do agree that spawning should be fixed, that and gun balancing is dumb.people complain about COD WAW didnt have good gun balancing, well neither does COD MW2 becaue the ump is way more powerful then the other submachine guns and some assault rifles.that said i think trey arch is way better then infinity ward will ever be.The reason people dont like COD WAW is because they dont like change. That said if you guys are going to complain about a game saying all this stuff is wrong then dont play it.I like all COD games and all there features.I believe that miracle of sound said again that people shouldnt be rewarded for being bad, well they did painkiller and things like that so that the player has a chance to get back into the game rather then dying over and over again. I'm pretty sure the guys making these games know what there doing,if they didnt they wouldnt be making games.Having a wishlist what is that,so dumb.Saying things should be more like this game or whatever well then go play that game rather then complaining about COD. An if a gun beats a knife will then you should have no problem killing the guy trying to knife you.Apparently you have never seen Ehe Expendables..once again miracle of sound your dumb.

Celer, Silens, Mortalis

Oh dear.
That's all I have to say.
farewell.

 

[sooperman]

It's in the OP

Oh you know I feel silly now. I followed that link a while ago, but I didn't read down the page.

Oops lawl.

If the beta is 360-only, though, that leaves a lot of platforms in the dark, not just the PS3. The official website says it is even going to be on the DS, so we have some porting to do.

 

[sooperman]

Because it looks immensely overpowered.

I'm gunna have to agree. Even if you only get one per life(the guy in the video reloads his, though), it's an incredibly easy kill.

The crossbow looks cheap as well. Point-and-shoot simplicity for a free kill, plus it explodes to take out surrounding enemies. These two are going to be interesting to balance.

 

[Dragon Zero]

I want them to take out Stopping Power if they aren't going to put something in to counter it. It essentially makes the other perks useless and I am just plain tired of seeing it. Especially on SMGs with ridiculous accuracy and fire rates already.

I'd also want to have a single player campaign that's longer than the title, a good 10-15 hours. All of the WWII and MW games took place during one conflict and even games like CoD2 managed to get a lengthy single player in. This is supposed to take place over decades, so in my mind there's no excuse for it to be 4-6 hours.

As for the fire select mode it's been done (sort of) in other games like Rainbow Six Vegas (where you had to bring up a mini menu) and Quantum of Solace where you only had to push up or down on the D-pad to go through semi, tri-burst, and full auto fire. This isn't that necessary to me though since as said earlier, you could just exercise a little fire discipline.

Edit: Oh and I would like a mode that lets me go back to stage one after prestiging ten times, because I'm a good little OCD sufferer and the prospect of being able to infinitely unlock things is giddying.
See:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/12/

 

[PissOffRoth]

wouldn't a knife as a secondary replace all the other cool weapons that are offered? and knifing would be essentially useless as people would just shoot them instead, and it would be really slow to use the knife.

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

 

[masseyguy911]

Well, if they really WOW me with the multiplayer... then maybe, maybe I might get Black Ops. So far, I have no interest in getting it at all.

 

[sooperman]

I want them to take out Stopping Power if they aren't going to put something in to counter it. It essentially makes the other perks useless and I am just plain tired of seeing it. Especially on SMGs with ridiculous accuracy and fire rates already.

Like, say, the UMP45? That gun nearly negated the need for all of the other SMGs in the game.

I can see why they put Stopping Power in CoD4, but there is no reason it should be in Black Ops. It shouldn't have been in WaW, for that matter. Personally I think they should have a perk that increases health without a perk for increased damage.

As for the fire select mode it's been done (sort of) in other games like Rainbow Six Vegas (where you had to bring up a mini menu) and Quantum of Solace where you only had to push up or down on the D-pad to go through semi, tri-burst, and full auto fire. This isn't that necessary to me though since as said earlier, you could just exercise a little fire discipline.

The really big triple-A franchises just refuse to use this feature. CoD, Battlefield, MoH, etc. all would have been better if guns let you switch firing mode.

Edit:

Edit: Oh and I would like a mode that lets me go back to stage one after prestiging ten times, because I'm a good little OCD sufferer and the prospect of being able to infinitely unlock things is giddying.

Like, infinite Prestiges? Could be interesting, but going back to square one sounds a bit point-defeating. Maybe you could just get a higher number next to your name or something.

 

[Yagharek]

You guys are stupid.especially miracle of sound.Having halo playlist would be stupid because most player like to see their stats.

And how would you know this, out of interest? Anyway, not everyone likes seeing the stats, some find that it is over-competetive, and drains some of the fun from the experience. In a game where people don't care about the stas as much, people are also less likely to exploit anything they can-be it badly balanced weapons or perks, or outright glitches.

Miracle said something about the knifing was gay cuz people would go into a room and knife everyone and people shooting at him well if your going to shoot at him, shoot to kill, cuz if you shoot him he can't knife you retarded.

A lot of Cod takes place in a close quarters environment where knifes, particularly with commandos range, are very effective, due to the fact they are 1 hit kill. People can knife as you shoot, and since it kills faster, they will often win. If it was impossible to kill people with guns with a knife, why is commando so common, and effective?

COD is perfect as it is.I do agree that spawning should be fixed, that and gun balancing is dumb.people complain about COD WAW didnt have good gun balancing, well neither does COD MW2 becaue the ump is way more powerful then the other submachine guns and some assault rifles.

So essentially, CoD is perfect, except for all these flaws?

that said i think trey arch is way better then infinity ward will ever be.The reason people dont like COD WAW is because they dont like change.

Consider how similar to Cod4 world at war is. That game changed very little. They changed the time period, made things fit it, and tweaked the perks a bit, and added tanks. Gameplay is incredibly similar to cod4. There are of course other reasons to dislike it. For example the fact that CoD4 moved away from the WW2 setting that was so common beforehand, and it was a breath of fresh air, and Treyarch just went back to WW2. I also find the balance slightly worse(than cod4, not MW2). Tanks are annoying, the killstreaks are more annoying, I don't like the maps as much, and the killstreaks are more annoying. It didn't do much worse than cod4(only slightly. Cod4 has minor issues aswell-but there aren't as many, however it wasn't better, and that's not very good considering they had more time, and the basis of cod4, to work from.

That said if you guys are going to complain about a game saying all this stuff is wrong then dont play it.

This argument is quite common, and irritating. It can still be a good game, and have problems. This is just a thread for people to discuss what they'd like to see. It's discussion. If no one ever complained about games, it would be bad, as it helps developers decide what they need to fix. Also, there are probably those who won't be buying it.

I like all COD games and all there features.I believe that miracle of sound said again that people shouldnt be rewarded for being bad, well they did painkiller and things like that so that the player has a chance to get back into the game rather then dying over and over again.

The argument that the game supports people who aren't that good at it can be taken further than just deathstreaks. The game offers a lot of support to people who aren't that good. Things most people call "cheap", allows the game to get a large suport base, as people who aren't actually very good can do well. Going beyond just over-powered weapons, and stuff like noob-tube/OMA, there are the killstreaks. In cod4, if you want a 25+ killstreak, you're looking at around 15 kills with your gun, at least, usually more. That's 10 from killstreaks. Airstrikes, on most maps, very rarely get as many as 5. Barring maybe shipment, but the spawns and spam make up for it. On some maps(the ones with more buildings) you'd be really lucky to get 5 with an airstrike. Choppers are more consistent, and usually get around 3-5 consistently(except on built up maps), more fiarly regularly.

You would be lucky to get 10 kills with killstreaks on cod 4. Likewise on cod5. On cod6 however, you can kill 7 people with a gun, and get 25+ easily, using the 7-9-11 killstreaks.

I do think the game does support those who aren't good at it. Painkiller is a decent idea to stop spawn-camping(though seriously, better spawns would be better) but I generally don't support deathstreaks. I don't like the other deathstreaks, and think painkiller shouldn't last as long.

I'm pretty sure the guys making these games know what there doing,if they didnt they wouldnt be making games.

They are a company. Their goal is to make a profit. Good balance and design aren't necessarily the way to do this. Look at MW2s success. It is far more successful than either Cod4 or 5, and yet, gets far more complaints because of the balance issues. Games are trying to be successful-this doesn't mean making a good game, it means making one that as many people as they can get to buy it, will buy it.

Having a wishlist what is that,so dumb.Saying things should be more like this game or whatever well then go play that game rather then complaining about COD.

This argument doesn't work either, except in general terms. If I am saying "X should be like Y" then playing Y instead makes sense. However, what people are doing is saying "X should be like Y in this aspect". So saying play Y instead disregards any other problems Y may have. Maybe it's better in the aspect they are mentioning, but rubbish elsewhere.

An if a gun beats a knife will then you should have no problem killing the guy trying to knife you.Apparently you have never seen Ehe Expendables..once again miracle of sound your dumb.

I think the complaint is that a gun should beat a knife. But doesn't, due to bad balance.

 

[shootthebandit]

What's the ballistic knife? Does it shoot things?

Anyway, I think an ideal system would be more like BC2, it's very satisfying, and there's minimal auto-aim. The best, actually, would be a gun but for a single press, and a knife that you either have to switch to, or hold down the button for. That would slow it down...

The ballistic knife can be seen at 0:31:
It's a knife that shoots a knife, and you can still stab people with it. And look at that leap! Ridiculous...

As for melee in general, if you ask me there are 2 extremes in the melee-spectrum that work really well. One extreme is Halo's gun butt system; less damage (one hit kill from the back though), last ditch kinda thing. Then there's the Counter Strike way of making it an actual separate weapon.

Adding both systems in the same game sounds...interesting.

i dont know why people complain about the ballistic knife, i loved the throwing knife in MW2 and this is better

Because it looks immensely overpowered.

put it this way, if you lose it you cant get it back. you cant use melee at all if you lose it which will happen alot. i used to use scavanger with my throwing knife but treyarch has confirmed scvanger will NOT replenish equipment JUST ammo.

i dont think thats IMMENSELY overpowered, do you? i think its a fair system that will reward accuracy. im pretty sure you have to sacrifice grenades for the privelage so alot will decide not to use it

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

Hey Miracle, can I add something to your wishlist?

I know I'm not going to get it, but I'd like to see a game where there was a fire selector. You know, toggle from 3-round burst to full-auto. Actually, including this would save the devs a lot of time and effort(which is money, mkay) because they could cut entire guns out of the game.

For example, if every gun in MW2 could have fired in either at the operator's choosing, the M16 and the FAMAS wouldn't have needed to be included. You'd only need like, five guns assuming there were plenty of attachments for customization.

I've been rallying for this option for a while now, but to no avail. Someday, though.

Then you're in luck, Rainbow Six Vegas 2 has just that!

 

[sooperman]

Then you're in luck, Rainbow Six Vegas 2 has just that!

You're a little bit late to the party, bro, but I appreciate the recommendation. I'll see if I can grab it on Steam.

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

Then you're in luck, Rainbow Six Vegas 2 has just that!

You're a little bit late to the party, bro, but I appreciate the recommendation. I'll see if I can grab it on Steam.

Yeah, I'm a bit late, but the game was good for it's time. Eventually the other developers will learn.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Next Gen Tactics are great for updates, there's a link in this vid to the livestream:

 

[MiracleOfSound]

It's in the OP

Oh you know I feel silly now. I followed that link a while ago, but I didn't read down the page.

Oops lawl.

If the beta is 360-only, though, that leaves a lot of platforms in the dark, not just the PS3. The official website says it is even going to be on the DS, so we have some porting to do.

That would be a bit unfair, I admit it. I am a 360 player but it should be Beta'd on all platforms.

 

[C95J]

wouldn't a knife as a secondary replace all the other cool weapons that are offered? and knifing would be essentially useless as people would just shoot them instead, and it would be really slow to use the knife.

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

yeah, but the knife is still an important part of the Call of Duty franchise. Anyways who knows, all will be revealed soon