Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban

[JUMBO PALACE]

Holy shit, who fucking cares? It's just a damn emblem! "Boohoo I saw a Swastika!" Get the hell over it.

 

[Zeromaeus]

Shiny-Snip

Or maybe the Black Lanterns, since you keep coming back from the dead a lot... You know, respawns?

There's also the other end of the spectrum:

Zeromaeus, LIVE!
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If you could get enough people to participate, that could get kind of interesting.

 

[Jamash]

Well the game has a premade Hammer and Sickle, should I be banned for using that seeing as Communism has killed more than Fascism.
(I'm on PC so it doesn't matter)

If there were gangs of White Supremacist, Far Left Neo Communists who tattooed the Hammer & Sickle onto their bodies in the same way the Aryan Brotherhood does nowadays with the Swastika, then the Hammer & Sickle symbol would probably also be banned.

It's not really about the historical use of it, it's banned because it's used by far right White Supremacist organisations now and it's a contemporary hate symbol. It doesn't matter that Communism may have actually killed more people than Nazism because there aren't contemporary extremist Communist groups using the Hammer & Sickle as a symbol of their hatred for other races.

The Swastika is a contemporary symbol of White Supremacy and racial hatred, regardless of any historical application.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

Imagine how awkward it'd be if they used a cross for their symbol

 

[DugMachine]

Sure, what the Nazi's did was horrible but you gotta hand it to them, they sure made a bad ass looking symbol and their uniforms were amazing. Shame they had to do such evil and ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Wrists]

I thought the Swastika was a backwards version of the Buddhist symbol. Is that not right?

The Buddhist swastika has arms that can face either left or right. The Nazi swastika arms go to the right. As such, it is right some of the time, but it's not a definite truth.

 

[Zenn3k]

lawl

I like my Companion Cube emblem anyway

 

[Scary_Bob]

The kinda people that put swastikas in their emblems are only doing it for the sole purpose of causing offense. Therefore I support the ban.
(Also there are many many penises in CoD now)

 

[King_Julian]

What about all the clantags that say "JEW" and all the people who use the name "IKilledJEW" or whatever there are lots of them.



They need to put the following in large letters on the front of the black ops box:

FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR EXPRESSION IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS GAME.

 

[JDKJ]

Well the game has a premade Hammer and Sickle, should I be banned for using that seeing as Communism has killed more than Fascism.
(I'm on PC so it doesn't matter)

If there were gangs of White Supremacist, Far Left Neo Communists who tattooed the Hammer & Sickle onto their bodies in the same way the Aryan Brotherhood does nowadays with the Swastika, then the Hammer & Sickle symbol would probably also be banned.

It's not really about the historical use of it, it's banned because it's used by far right White Supremacist organisations now and it's a contemporary hate symbol. It doesn't matter that Communism may have actually killed more people than Nazism because there aren't contemporary extremist Communist groups using the Hammer & Sickle as a symbol of their hatred for other races.

The Swastika is a contemporary symbol of White Supremacy and racial hatred, regardless of any historical application.

The public display of the Hammer and Sickle is banned by law (as is the Swastika) in more than a few European nations (Poland and Hungary come to mind off the top of my head). That might explain it's lack of usage as a symbol of "whatever" -- at least in some parts of Europe.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Actually He's right about Stalin and Alexander the Great being worse, they have more bloodshed on their hands than two Nazi reigns, the torture was more extencive and labour camps more previlent.

Quantifying mass-genocide does not change the fact it was mass-genocide.
All of these crimes are appalling and inexcusable, no matter how one rationalizes or categorizes them.

please don't tell me your only argument against it is "But the Nazis tried to wipe out an entire race" A life is a life, no matter what race or creed it is, life is valued.

That was my point from the start!
People brought the "But Stalin murdered more..." argument onto the table as an attempt to marginalize Hitler's Holocaust by comparing it to "something worse".

I'm arguing that the numbers become irrelevant when you start talking about the systematic annihilation of an entire people (no matter who the perpetrator or victims are).

And that none of these events should be taken lightly.

And if we're going to get into semantics here, look up Pol pot or Chiang Kai-shek and read some real horror stories, war does horrible things to everyone, not just those that seek genocide. Oh, and while you're reading, look up Penal Battalions and Order 227.

I'm going to stick to arguing the precedent here.
It's my opinion that when one starts to quantify human life in an ethical debate, we lose sight of what matters.

Yeah, I always thought Stalin was at least pretty close to Hitler as far as "evil" goes. He didn't just kill people (and he did kill a lot of people), he erased them from history. If you count the Holocaust as one event, probably, yeah, it's the worst single event. But I think he has a point is all. Have you already gotten a response to this? I know, I'm late to the party anyway... boy I'm sleepy.

Yeah. I've gotten far more responses than I care for.
Probably shouldn't be arguing ethics when I have exams this week...

 

[Bigsmith]

this seems very silly, it seems that they are over reacting.
I see no problem with this, as long as the symbol isn't used in an offensive manner.

 

[zHellas]

If you could get enough people to participate, that could get kind of interesting.

I call dibs on being Jon Stewart!

 

[Cyan.]

purely out of interest, are they applying the same logic to the Hammer and Sickle??? if nothing else stalin had a higher k/d ratio (and to anyone who says that stalin did not target a single racial group {ala hitler + the Jews} then ask your nearest cossack!).

Except he failed on the "Finland" map.

Could have been lag...

 

[eatsamypizza]

Good get rid of them.

 

[JDKJ]

Rather than ban symbols of anti-Semitism, it may be more worthwhile to actually promote speech of the following sort:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

If you ask me, Sacha Baron Cohen (who is himself of Jewish descent) does more in those three minutes to undermine the cause of anti-Semitism than a lifetime of bans will ever do.

 

[Kiregan]

Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.

Excepting that the two symbols aren't the same. The Nazi swastika is the reverse of the Swastika. The Swastika is still in use in numerous Asian countries.

The Nazi one is slightly rotated. That's it. Ever seen the Finnish Air Force flag?

What if I were in that air force and wanted to show my love for it by using that flag as my emblem? Banned, that's what.

I was waiting for a post about this. I'm sad I can't use that flag as my emblem. =(

 

[rsvp42]

It's kinda ironic that you would use pragmatism to sell your position. It was also pragmatism that was used to sell, from among the competing proposed solutions, the Final Solution. It's tangential at best, yes, but nevertheless noteworthy.

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I am honestly amazed you went there. Clearly this rather short exchange of ours just went from "let's discuss the issue" to "let's see how I can make the other guy seem like a Nazi." I'm not interested in playing that game. Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Retardinator]

Why'd they even give people the ability to create emblems?
If it's not swastikas then it'll just be dicks.

Because some people like to have this level of customization. I haven't tried it yet, but I think it's great. I loved the tag editor in Tony Hawk's American Wasteland.
People who use dicks or swastikas are most likely 12 year-olds anyway... Either that or they're just adults who are acting like prepubescent dicks. Either way, both groups deserve banning.

 

[Zeromaeus]

If you could get enough people to participate, that could get kind of interesting.

I call dibs on being Jon Stewart!

I get Guy!
Also Dex-Starr...

Just because...

Its funny how much hate gets thrown around such ridiculous topics. Just remember kiddies, all will be well.