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Mako SOLDIER

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RatRace123 said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Of course there can be, but my question was not regarding whether or not liberties can be taken. The discussion topic is about how people might react if a white man played an African god.
My guess is that they wouldn't care.
I mean the only ones truly getting their nuts in a twist over this are the racists, right?

If the situations were reversed, those bigoted dillholes would keep their mouths shut and there wouldn't even be a situation.
And if someone casts Elijah Wood as Martin Luther King? Do you really think there wouldn't be violent protest to that? By all means, if a character's physical appearance isn't very specific (ie, a bunch of Scandinavian gods would all be pasty lily-white, there is not if or but about it) then cast them whatever race, colour or creed you like. Heck, when Matt Smith leaves Dr Who, let's have a black Doctor, but let's not jump the gun and cast a Chinese woman as Mohammed Ali or an obese black dude as JFK. If I go for an audition for the part of Mike Tyson, the fact that I'm short, white and hardly have a muscle on me should result in me getting told I'm not right for the part and sent on my way. To not expect the same when a black guy auditions for the part of a Norse god is pure hypocrisy and is a far worse kind of racism - using race as a means to get whatever the heck you want because people are too scared to say no.

It's not about race, it's about casting someone with a physical appearance appropriate to the character. Sure, in the past that rule has been thrown out in favour of white actors, but that was wrong, and if we reverse the roles we're still nowhere near anything that could be called equality. I might become an animal rights activist and subsequently choose to become a vegetarian, but I'm not going to say "Oh, I used to eat animals, so I'm going to have myself cut up, cooked, and fed to stray cats, just to make up for it". That would be ridiculous, as is this bizarre double standard that currently exists regarding race.
 

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this reminds me of the rage against Resi 5. I mean, how DARE Capcom put black people in Africa? It makes me so mad!
 

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ScarletRider said:
joystickjunki3 said:
That's not exactly what I was asking. I asked about how people might feel if a white man was chosen to play an African god. I don't care about the current situation; it does not matter to me if Thor is a comic book or not.
Eh, I think there would be an uproar if a white guy was cast as an African god figure. Especially with the implications that would bring up. <_<
But! What if that white god was only a small part of a large group of black african gods? And that his role as a god was to stand sentry all day, everyday, forever?
 

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bdcjacko said:
It is a fact, if a black guy plays the part of the white person, no one cares. If a white guy plays the part of the black person, shit storm.

Look, in the Gridiron Gang, the real life coach was white, but they got the Rock to play him and no one cared.

In Ironman 1 and 2, Sam Jackson plays Nick Fury, no one cares (actually lots of people liked it.)

In Dare Devil, King Pin was played by Micheal Clarke Duncan, and no one saw that movie, or cared. (come to think of it, Marvel cast lots of black dudes to play white guys).

But they never cast white guys the play the part of a black guy.
How many instances do you have a white person playing the role of a black person?
Aside from black face...



Of course there's Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder but he was hilarious.
 

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so!?

hey which acter? im hoping for will smith i know he's been in a lot but i havent seen him much lately
 

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Long post; general gist: This is fucking ridiculous. CAUTION! Oskamunda uses the N-word!

First, let's point out what the article points out rather quickly and efficiently. The Aesir and Vanir of Marvel are aliens, not Gods. Something tells me that aliens capable of space travel [and therefore the astronomical resource management that entails--pun intended] would give two shits about the color of someone's skin. Something tells me that they don't even give two shits whether a species is mammalian or reptilian.

Second, even if they were Gods, there is no historical accounting of what they believed about those of different races or creeds. The Norse were known to absorb anything that was of use to them: armor, technologies, land, weapons, culture, deities, and most of all, people. If Heimdall wants to inhabit a black dude, there's probably a reason for it.

Thirdly, just because Wagner was a little fucked in the brainpan, doesn't mean that there is any connection to the Nordic ancestry of Europe and white supremacy. Just because he wrote about Reichs in his operas doesn't mean there actually was one. And just because someone wants to believe that they are better than someone else based on melanin content of the flesh, doesn't mean their cause is granted any legitimacy because some fuckwit wrote some pedantic, self-important music about it 200 years ago. [Incidentally, we don't actually know if Wagner was supremest; he didn't think much of Jewish music, as it wasn't "connected to the German spirit," but that doesn't necessarily mean he would have been one of the ones running Auschwitz, now, does it?]

Fourthly, W T F. Only in America can someone actually cause a stir about this. Mark these words of mine carefully, lest there be some alchemic application of personal opinion that changes what I am saying into something else. There is only one type of group that should be disallowed protection from the first amendment: Supremacist Groups. Why? Not moral outrage, not civil propriety, nothing like that. Philosophically, one should not be able to use a charter of protections to actively speak out against that very charter of protections. With the 4th, 5th, 9th, 13th, and 19th amendments to the constitution, every citizen of the US is protected from discrimination of all kinds. Forming a supremacist group, whether it be based on race, religion, culture, sex, or nation of origin, is basically taking a big fat shit on the constitution. Women, equal? Fuck that amendment. Niggers, free? Fuck that amendment. [oh, boy, I can see the complaints for using that word already, even though it was used to depict the ignorance of those who use it hatefully and to insult them] Spics, allowed to cross the border and become citizens here? Fuck that amendment. Jews, allowed to own property and not have it taken away from them unjustly? Fuck that amendment. Crackers, allowed to thrive and spew their bile and vitriol as far and wide as they can and be funded by private investments that also fund gears of government without transparency and further perpetuate injustice in all civil and economic spheres and refuse history to progress? Hallelujah for that amendment!

Bullshit. Chauvinists, misandrists, misogynists, racists, discriminators of all kinds allowed to thumb their nose at a constitution of rights meant to protect people rather than empower bigots, while simultaneously using that same constitution of rights to defend themselves and their ability to tear down liberties extended to people within the same document? Fuck that amendment.

And fuck those ignorant whip crackers, while we're at it. It's a goddamned superhero movie about aliens, not a historical accounting of your divine imperative to kill everybody with a bigger cock than you, you racist pieces of shit.

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Oh, yeah, and what would be the problem if a white guy played an African God? There's more than one in the Panoplia of Saharan deities that were albino...and one would think that the FIRST impression of a white man sailing across an ocean [not a river, an ocean] might conjure ideas of godhood. I suppose it would depend on the context.
 

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To me it's just a sign of the times, really.

plus... after seeing The Wire... why wouldn't you want the amazing Idris Elba in the role? And for fans of the Wire... you know that he's not actually even American, never mind from Baltimore- he's a Brit!

The man is a chameleon and will put his all into the role.

I understand the argument that the Norse gods and the people that worshipped them were from a mono-cultural society that was, apart from the weather beaten tans, white as milk. (Ok, rosy cheeks from the sea winds battering you in the longship but you get the idea!)

That said, the Asgard the film is following is not the actual Norse gods, but more beings that ancient man had contact with and totally thought were gods. In my opinion, a black actor playing Heimdall isn't actually too big a deal because the human perception of the denizen of Asgard was skewed to begin with. Movie Bob has a great article on the trailer, actually.

I for one, am looking forward to seeing Idris Elba out-act most of the rest of the cast :p

And screw white supremacy.

I think there's a great line from Edward James Olmos in Battlestar galactica that sums it all up, if anyone else more familiar with the show wants to have a bash off it.
 

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gphjr14 said:
bdcjacko said:
It is a fact, if a black guy plays the part of the white person, no one cares. If a white guy plays the part of the black person, shit storm.

Look, in the Gridiron Gang, the real life coach was white, but they got the Rock to play him and no one cared.

In Ironman 1 and 2, Sam Jackson plays Nick Fury, no one cares (actually lots of people liked it.)

In Dare Devil, King Pin was played by Micheal Clarke Duncan, and no one saw that movie, or cared. (come to think of it, Marvel cast lots of black dudes to play white guys).

But they never cast white guys the play the part of a black guy.
How many instances do you have a white person playing the role of a black person?
Aside from black face...



Of course there's Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder but he was hilarious.
Yeah, besides for Tropic Thunder, I can't think of a single instance of a white guy playing a black guy. And hell, in tropic Thunder, it was a white guy playing a white guy playing a black guy, and that is how that joke was able to fly.

Anyhow the point is, I believe it is a bigger taboo, and considered racist for a white guy to play a black guy. Now any other race playing another race is totally cool. White guys play Arabs, Native Americans, and Asian Indians all the time. But if they play a Black person, it is racist.
 

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Baboon Lover said:
Want to know something fun about the god Heimdal the black guy is playing? Heimdal is often called "the white god"(ohh... the irony)
Mmm... such sweet, delicious irony~
 

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will1182 said:
I think people should cast whoever feels most natural for the part. If they did a biography on say, Abraham Lincoln, it would be completely unnatural for a black man to play him. Similar to a white man playing, I dunno, Ghandi.

In other words, the casting director should pick who is most suitable for the part, and not go by "Hm, I better make my cast more multicultural lest someone yell at me."
You are so right on the money. This is why so many comic book adaptations are terrible, because Hollywood keeps doing ridiculous crap to make the films appeal to a broader audience or seem more modern, but they somehow always wind up seeming gimmicky and dated, and never fail to piss off the comic fans. Why do they always need to mess with everything? It would be just as stupid to have a white guy play Luke Cage because the white guy "really had the spirit of the character" or some bullshit. Ugh... I'm still getting over what they did to Doctor Doom.
 

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OKa, but how many are big imposing god like figures? And of those, how many are up to Hollywood standards? I'm not saying they cant act or there arent, just there arent many hollywood acknowledges.
 

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Mako SOLDIER said:
And if someone casts Elijah Wood as Martin Luther King?
That's a stupid comparison. Why is it when people try to argue the opposite case they immediately bring up a scenario where the main black character is played by a white guy. This actor is playing such a small role in Thor that it doesn't matter at all. He is not a main character so these arguments are flawed from the get go. Plus, it's based off a Marvel bastardization of the real myths. Marvel changes appearances and back stories constantly. WHO CARES?
 

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bdcjacko said:
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They're Gods, they can choose to appear as they wish.
Why would the white god choose to be a black guy?
Sometimes us lower mortals wake up in the morning and say to ourselves;
"its time for a new hairstyle."
When a God wakes up;
"I think I will be a black person today."

Whats life without whimsey?
 

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ravenshrike said:
008Zulu said:
They're Gods, they can choose to appear as they wish.
You appear to be confusing the Greek gods with the Norse. The only two Norse gods who could shift forms were Odin and Loki. And unlike Odin, Loki could never change his eyes.
Depends on how shapeshifting is actually defined, going from human to bear is one thing, changing skin pigment is something else.
 

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The original myths have already been bastardised by christianity enough that Thor is no longer depicted as an 'authentic' Norse God. He was originally redheaded, not blonde- and Loki was not originally 'evil'. Have a black guy as heimdall! As long as he's a good actor, fine.
I think thats what has got some people so hung up, the fact that its a black person playing the role.