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Zhukov

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inmunitas said:
Zhukov said:
You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!
That's not what "SJWs" sound like though, it's more:

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Misogyny! White male cis manbaby you are going to have two extra teaspoons of sugar, and you are going to like it! If you do not do as say, we are going to tell everyone you hate women and you are a transphobic/MRA/right-wing, we are going to dox you, and try get you fired from your job shitlord!"
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!
I have not seen anyone say anything like that here.

I certainly have never said anything like that myself.

If you have encountered someone saying that and you disagree with them then I suggest you take it up with them as I cannot speak on their behalf.
 

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Zhukov said:
Okay, so you're indifferent to gender and whatnot. A totally fair position to take.

If that's the case however, why do you care about "checkboxes"? After all, they pertain to matters you claim not to care about.

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!
not at all i would say its like this

You: "I don't like tea"
SJW: "I don't drink tea but everyone should conform to my ideology and make everyone LIKE coffee!"
You: "I don't like coffee either but nobody should be forced to abandon tea or be forced to like coffee
SJW: "Logic? REASONING?! your just a misogynist women hater who is rape staring me!"
 

Zhukov

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Riotguards said:
Zhukov said:
Okay, so you're indifferent to gender and whatnot. A totally fair position to take.

If that's the case however, why do you care about "checkboxes"? After all, they pertain to matters you claim not to care about.

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!
not at all i would say its like this

You: "I don't like tea"
SJW: "I don't drink tea but everyone should conform to my ideology and make everyone LIKE coffee!"
You: "I don't like coffee either but nobody should be forced to abandon tea or be forced to like coffee
SJW: "Logic? REASONING?! your just a misogynist women hater who is rape staring me!"
Like I said to the other guy, I haven't seen anyone saying that here. (Hell, I've never even seen the phrase "rape staring" before.)

I have said nothing alone those lines.

If you have encountered someone... etc etc [exact same thing I said to the other guy].

Also, you didn't answer my question:
Tell me, if the developers of New Vegas were to release another game and say, "We heard some people considered our previous maps to be a bit thin in terms of content, so we devoted more resources to map design this time around, we hope you like it", would this be a bad thing? Would they be just checking boxes to satisfy the Map Content Pedants?
 

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Riotguards said:
Zhukov said:
Okay, so you're indifferent to gender and whatnot. A totally fair position to take.

If that's the case however, why do you care about "checkboxes"? After all, they pertain to matters you claim not to care about.

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!
not at all i would say its like this

You: "I don't like tea"
SJW: "I don't drink tea but everyone should conform to my ideology and make everyone LIKE coffee!"
You: "I don't like coffee either but nobody should be forced to abandon tea or be forced to like coffee
SJW: "Logic? REASONING?! your just a misogynist women hater who is rape staring me!"
Logic, reasoning, facts, science, evidence, innocent until proven guilty, burden of proof, capitalism, these are all products of the International Patriarchal Association (IPA) of white cis male men have put in place to oppress women and minorities. Everyone knows this for I feel it to be right.
 

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Zhukov said:
Also, you didn't answer my question:
Tell me, if the developers of New Vegas were to release another game and say, "We heard some people considered our previous maps to be a bit thin in terms of content, so we devoted more resources to map design this time around, we hope you like it", would this be a bad thing? Would they be just checking boxes to satisfy the Map Content Pedants?
that's just one long logical fallacy equating two things together which are not at all related

like relating suicide to a murderer, they're both deaths right so obviously they're the same (your logic)

map design and character design are completely different, map design doesn't have this overhanging tick box being placed on it by SJW who declare that nothing having a bin is misogyny and having too many lamppost is a sign of the patriarchy

overall your entire argument is that you feel that developers SHOULD cater to every whimsical idea that you and SJW alike think up, its self justice to make yourself feel good, hell that's why you focus on gender, how else can you become a white knight without protecting some "victim"
 

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I don't know how anyone can look at Overwatch and claim that there's no diversity in the female characters, heck I don't think I've ever seen a more diverse cast:


I really don't see how anyone can claim their body types 'look the same'. The only thing they have in common is that none of them are ugly. I guess tumblr users weren't going to be happy until Blizzard added an ugly character, the only thing Zarya is missing is the typical thick rim glasses to go with the terrible dyed hair.
 

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CommanderZx2 said:
I don't know how anyone can look at Overwatch and claim that there's no diversity in the female characters, heck I don't think I've ever seen a more diverse cast:


I really don't see how anyone can claim their body types 'look the same'. The only thing they have in common is that none of them are ugly. I guess tumblr users weren't going to be happy until Blizzard added an ugly character, the only thing Zarya is missing is the typical thick rim glasses to go with the terrible dyed hair.
And now compare them to the male characters.

As much as I like their designs, they're all long-legged women with nice curves and a set of atleast avarage-sized breasts. While their bodytypes may not be exactly the same, they are extremely similar. Well, except for Zarya, of course.

Meanwhile, on the guys' side we've got a gorilla, a bulky dwarf, a robot... See where I'm going? If it was anything like the female side, the male characters would range from Hanzo to McCree.

Male characters can succeed as long as they look interesting. Meanwhile, female characters are always expected to be pretty. That's stupid and boring! I'd love to have a female character whose looks don't depend on being pretty. For instance, have you ever seen/read Knights of Sidonia? One of the sidecharacters is a bear. She's both motherly and badass. Yeah, male readers probably wouldn't want to fuck her, but there's no good reason to design every female character with that particular urge in mind.
 

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NPC009 said:
CommanderZx2 said:
I don't know how anyone can look at Overwatch and claim that there's no diversity in the female characters, heck I don't think I've ever seen a more diverse cast:


I really don't see how anyone can claim their body types 'look the same'. The only thing they have in common is that none of them are ugly. I guess tumblr users weren't going to be happy until Blizzard added an ugly character, the only thing Zarya is missing is the typical thick rim glasses to go with the terrible dyed hair.
And now compare them to the male characters.

As much as I like their designs, they're all long-legged women with nice curves and a set of atleast avarage-sized breasts. While their bodytypes may not be exactly the same, they are extremely similar. Well, except for Zarya, of course.

Meanwhile, on the guys' side we've got a gorilla, a bulky dwarf, a robot... See where I'm going? If it was anything like the female side, the male characters would range from Hanzo to McCree.

Male characters can succeed as long as they look interesting. Meanwhile, female characters are always expected to be pretty. That's stupid and boring! I'd love to have a female character whose looks don't depend on being pretty. For instance, have you ever seen/read Knights of Sidonia? One of the sidecharacters is a bear. She's both motherly and badass. Yeah, male readers probably wouldn't want to fuck her, but there's no good reason to design every female character with that particular urge in mind.
You are comparing female humans to non human males...
 

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CommanderZx2 said:
You are comparing female humans to non human males...
And that's a problem because...?

There is no problem, because if they did design a somewhat non-human female character, she's very likely to be something dudes would want to stick their willy into. Sexy catgirl, sexy robot, sexy anything.

If Blizzard is truly aiming for a wide range of character designs you see on the male side, they'd include some more characters that are not about sex-appeal. Zarya is a step in the right direction. I'd love to see them take it even further.
 

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inmunitas said:
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inmunitas said:
Companies don't do anything for the "sake of diversity", they do it for profit and public relations. Games already have diverse casts and diverse people buying them, they've always have, some people on an idealogical crusade have just chosen to ignore that little inconvenient fact. Video game characters aren't real people, they don't "represent" any audience, research even shows this. You only push this "narrative" because it makes you feel better about yourself, not because it actually helps anyone.
OH REALLY? Diverse games? RIght now in 2015 the only game that comes to mind so far that is somewhat diverse is the Witcher 3, and even there you are playing the role of a straight while male (most of the time, there are sections where you play as his adopted daughter). Let us see Order 1886: straight white dude, Call of Duty (from 2014) straight white dude, Halo 1 through 5 (Reach not included cause of the way you could make your char and you never even see his/her face) white dude (although Sgt Johnson was awesome in my eyes). Evolve: out of 12 characters, 2 are white females and 1 black female with 1 black male, the rest being white grizzled males.

So stop crying about not being pandered to. It is tiring to see all these people crying about not being pandered to, when they are by default being pandered to. "Oh they made a character that doesn't fit the view I hold, got to scream and rage about it on the Internet". Or my favorite "artistic vision", yea cause criticism is stifling artistic vision. Get back to the real world dude. Put the controller or keyboard down and see that gaming is so diverse right now that your so-called "ideological crusade" is nothing more than criticism from long-neglected parts of the community.

As far as I know, the only developers that have been somewhat diverse throughout the decades are Blizzard (I do like Starcraft, Warcraft and what they are trying to do with HOTS and they asked for criticism, took and listened) Bioware (I mean come on, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, KOTORI and TOR are some of the best games in terms of storytelling and cast) and CD Projekt Red (and they are Polish- still dealing with the fallout of communism on its culture, just like we Romanians are)

So please stop acting like a petulant child when you aren't being actively pandered to and accept the fact that you are not a gatekeeper to gaming.
Yet you can only name three? How about Unreal Tournament, Tekken, Dead or Alive, Grand Theft Auto, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Pandemonium, Mirrors' Edge, Portal, Left for Dead, Madden, FIFA, Extreme-G, WWE, Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, Mortal Kombat, Banjo Kazooie, Super Smash Bros, Angry Birds, Papo & Yo, or Diddy Kong Racing?

"But... but muh diversity though. But... but those games don't count".

Oh yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of "white grizzled males" that are so happy to be "represented" in video games, despite your 'merica centric stereotypical idea of who a gamer is, you know the obese virgin neck-beard loser in their moms basement or whatever.
Yes Dead or Alive (bouncing tits simulator, seriously that right there is killing your argument), GTA (grizzled white males most of them with only the last one having a black protagonist), Unreal Tournament never played so I can't comment. The only reason Madden is diverse is cuse its based on reality (thabnk Christ for that I guess EA), same with Fifa, WWE.

Only Mirror's Edge, Portal, Left for Dead, Super Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat (and even they have issues with how their women are dressed but hey lets set that aside for now). Also you seem to forget all the other ones that aren't diverse. I would list you but its early here and I gotta get ready for university. Tomb Raider, up until the reboot, was a fucking joke. Seriously. Banjo Kazooie can't comment. ANd Angry Birds? Really? But then again I can't comment cause I haven't played it. So yea those games in this paragraph count, but THAT DOESNT EXCUSE THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT of non-diverse games. And people are demanding more and more diverse games. Your solution is to retain the status quo, a solution unacceptable to the other gaming communities.

Here is my list out of my games (games that I bought after research): non-diverse: Assassin's Creed 2 through whatever number we are on right now, exception 1 and 3),Battlefield Bad Company 2(1black man, 3 white dudes), Heavy Rain (1 female 2 males, all white) Killzone 1 through 3 (can't comment on Shadowfall but i think the same pplies there as well), Eragon (shuddup I liked it), The Settlers IV: Heritage of Kings, Warhammer: Dawn of War 2 and its expansion packs (seriously only 1 black dude in all 3 games) Warhammer 40k: Space Marine, Spec Ops: The Line, Starcraft II: wings of LIberty (seriously, no black dude there, except for the Dominion general), Batman Arkham City and Asylum (but that is not exactly their fault, based on the DC Comic), Star Wars Force Unleashed I and II, Far Cry 3 and Blood Dragon, Deus Ex-Human Revolution (oh that really annoyed me what they did to the female characters- kidnapped one, killed the other) Deus Ex the Fall (grizzled white male again), the X series of space simulators prior to the reboot. . I am going to ignore the strategy games, besides the ones mentioned (cause of obvious reasons I would hope). And this is just from my list of games. I won't bother making the list bigger because I don't have the time.
 

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NPC009 said:
CommanderZx2 said:
You are comparing female humans to non human males...
And that's a problem because...?

There is no problem, because if they did design a somewhat non-human female character, she's very likely to be something dudes would want to stick their willy into. Sexy catgirl, sexy robot, sexy anything.

If Blizzard is truly aiming for a wide range of character designs you see on the male side, they'd include some more characters that are not about sex-appeal. Zarya is a step in the right direction. I'd love to see them take it even further.
Zarya is not a step in 'the right direction', she is simply just a different stereotype character who may appeal to some people. A range characters is a good thing to have, but Zarya is in no way superior to the others. In fact she is far more of a trope than the rest.
 

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CommanderZx2 said:
You are comparing female humans to non human males...
There's also Torbjorn and reinhardt, two humans with vastly different body types than anything the female characters have, but that's kind beside of the point, he's comparing females to non-human males, partially because there are no non-human females.

It doesn't matter if characters like Winston or Zenyatta aren't human, it doesn't subtract from the point that every female in the game (before Zarya) has a pretty close generically conventionally attractive body structure. All four female characters were tall, leggy, and at least a little busty, three of which were close enough in height and general structure that they could probably wear each others clothing.

There was diversity in the male cast, partially because there were also male non-human characters, but even the male human characters have the 61 year old Reinhardt in power armor, and the very short and stocky torbjorn, the female cast has the same generic young (the oldest male character is 61, the oldest female character is 34) slight variations on each other.

They have varied clothing styles, but their bodies just aren't very different when compared to the much more varied male cast.
 

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CommanderZx2 said:
Zarya is not a step in 'the right direction', she is simply just a different stereotype character who may appeal to some people. A range characters is a good thing to have, but Zarya is in no way superior to the others. In fact she is far more of a trope than the rest.
Where did I say her design is the sort of perfection designers should strife for? Yeah, she's a muscular Russian (but with a vagina!) but point is: she's different from the other characters introduced so far. Even if they're just baby steps, they're still steps towards diversity.

And no, she doesn't have to appeal to everyone. No character design has to. She also shouldn't have to carry the burden of diversity alone, because that would just be silly. Diversity is not something you can achieve with just one character. That's why I'd love to see more female characters that aren't the usual long-legged beauties. (Not that there's anything wrong with pretty girls, but it gets boring after a while, you know?)
 

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NPC009 said:
CommanderZx2 said:
Zarya is not a step in 'the right direction', she is simply just a different stereotype character who may appeal to some people. A range characters is a good thing to have, but Zarya is in no way superior to the others. In fact she is far more of a trope than the rest.
Where did I say her design is the sort of perfection designers should strife for? Yeah, she's a muscular Russian (but with a vagina!) but point is: she's different from the other characters introduced so far. Even if they're just baby steps, they're still steps towards diversity.

And no, she doesn't have to appeal to everyone. No character design has to. She also shouldn't have to carry the burden of diversity alone, because that would just be silly. Diversity is not something you can achieve with just one character. That's why I'd love to see more female characters that aren't the usual long-legged beauties. (Not that there's anything wrong with pretty girls, but it gets boring after a while, you know?)
Your talking about diversity as if is automatically good, as seen from the photos above there are lots of shapes of women, they just aren't as extreme as Zarya, diversity should only be about what people want.

I can say this, going by WoW race stats the character will not see anywhere near as much play from players unless she has some clear mechanical advantage over others, say what you want about looks people really love da stats.
 

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Your talking about diversity as if is automatically good, as seen from the photos above there are lots of shapes of women, they just aren't as extreme as Zarya, diversity should only be about what people want.

I can say this, going by WoW race stats the character will not see anywhere near as much play from players unless she has some clear mechanical advantage over others, say what you want about looks people really love da stats.
But you can't please everyone all the time. Some will like certain character designs, others will not. That's why it's a good idea to offer different things. New things, if possible.

I happen to like Zarya. There's something about her exaggerated muscles and happy pink hairstyle that looks, I don't know, kind of fun? I would definitely give her a try, though I know I'll probably be terrible with her weapon.
 

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But I didn't go out of my way. (that pic took all of 2 seconds to find by typing "predator v protoss" into Google)
Prehaps "went out of your way" was the wrong phrase, but I think my point of "2 changes away from originality vs 2 changes away from a copy-paste" still stands.

I especially noticed the similarities between the Protoss and the Predators as the 'faceless, stoically noble warriors'
The only one of those three I would use to describe both would be the "Stotic" part. The "Faceless" part is more metaphorical in the Predator's case (whereas for the Protoss it's more literal.), and the "Noble" part is debateable. Sure they give their prey a "chance" to escape, but then Cats give the mouse they just threw to the ground a chance to crawl away too.

All I'm trying to say is that they're both guilty of 'borrowing'.
In the sense that a pickpocket and a bank robber are both guilty of stealing, perhaps.

[sub]I have to point out, though, that some characters, like Enchantress, are nothing more than classic creature designs from ancient mythology; a centaur in her case. Blizzard hardly holds any copyright or originality on such things.[/sub]
Blizzard may not have a copyright for "Centaurs", but they could probably make a case for having one for "The concept of Dryads as a Half-Deer Half-Elf", which is what Enchantress is.
 

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NPC009 said:
Gengisgame said:
Your talking about diversity as if is automatically good, as seen from the photos above there are lots of shapes of women, they just aren't as extreme as Zarya, diversity should only be about what people want.

I can say this, going by WoW race stats the character will not see anywhere near as much play from players unless she has some clear mechanical advantage over others, say what you want about looks people really love da stats.
But you can't please everyone all the time. Some will like certain character designs, others will not. That's why it's a good idea to offer different things. New things, if possible.

I happen to like Zarya. There's something about her exaggerated muscles and happy pink hairstyle that looks, I don't know, kind of fun? I would definitely give her a try, though I know I'll probably be terrible with her weapon.
Correct which is why you only try to please those that play the game or those that play the game, like I said there are too many people who approve of Zarya because she is not attractive not because they actually like the design. Choice is fine but this was one that was made for the wrong reason, a skeletal female terminator or monster would have been better in my opinion.
 

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Gengisgame said:
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Correct which is why you only try to please those that play the game or those that play the game, like I said there are too many people who approve of Zarya because she is not attractive not because they actually like the design. Choice is fine but this was one that was made for the wrong reason, a skeletal female terminator or monster would have been better in my opinion.
Oh, come on, that's just a bunch of bull.

Who says the people who go 'yay, diversity!' dislike her design? I'm sure there are a few, but seriously, why get worked up over those weirdoes who care more about their agenda than anything else? Why not simply respect that there are people who like her design for whatever reason? You don't have to like her, but don't be a dick to the people who do.

Also, Zarya not attractive? Her muscles are a matter of taste, sure, but she's got an attractive face. And even if she were actually ugly, why would it matter? You could still like different aspects. That hair is pretty cool. Weapon look fun. I dunno, why should anyone care about whether she looks fuckable or not?

Would I like to see more design that deviate from the usual pretty girl look? Of course! But Zarya is a start. That's good. It's not as if there's any rule that dictates we're only allowed to have one 'other' female for every x regular ones or something like that. I hope Blizzard finds encouragement and inspiration in the positive reactions and tries to design other less typical female characters.
 

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Haerthan said:
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Yet you can only name three? How about Unreal Tournament, Tekken, Dead or Alive, Grand Theft Auto, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Pandemonium, Mirrors' Edge, Portal, Left for Dead, Madden, FIFA, Extreme-G, WWE, Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, Mortal Kombat, Banjo Kazooie, Super Smash Bros, Angry Birds, Papo & Yo, or Diddy Kong Racing?

"But... but muh diversity though. But... but those games don't count".

Oh yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of "white grizzled males" that are so happy to be "represented" in video games, despite your 'merica centric stereotypical idea of who a gamer is, you know the obese virgin neck-beard loser in their moms basement or whatever.
Yes Dead or Alive (bouncing tits simulator, seriously that right there is killing your argument), GTA (grizzled white males most of them with only the last one having a black protagonist), Unreal Tournament never played so I can't comment. The only reason Madden is diverse is cuse its based on reality (thabnk Christ for that I guess EA), same with Fifa, WWE.

Only Mirror's Edge, Portal, Left for Dead, Super Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat (and even they have issues with how their women are dressed but hey lets set that aside for now). Also you seem to forget all the other ones that aren't diverse. I would list you but its early here and I gotta get ready for university. Tomb Raider, up until the reboot, was a fucking joke. Seriously. Banjo Kazooie can't comment. ANd Angry Birds? Really? But then again I can't comment cause I haven't played it. So yea those games in this paragraph count, but THAT DOESNT EXCUSE THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT of non-diverse games. And people are demanding more and more diverse games. Your solution is to retain the status quo, a solution unacceptable to the other gaming communities.

Here is my list out of my games (games that I bought after research): non-diverse: Assassin's Creed 2 through whatever number we are on right now, exception 1 and 3),Battlefield Bad Company 2(1black man, 3 white dudes), Heavy Rain (1 female 2 males, all white) Killzone 1 through 3 (can't comment on Shadowfall but i think the same pplies there as well), Eragon (shuddup I liked it), The Settlers IV: Heritage of Kings, Warhammer: Dawn of War 2 and its expansion packs (seriously only 1 black dude in all 3 games) Warhammer 40k: Space Marine, Spec Ops: The Line, Starcraft II: wings of LIberty (seriously, no black dude there, except for the Dominion general), Batman Arkham City and Asylum (but that is not exactly their fault, based on the DC Comic), Star Wars Force Unleashed I and II, Far Cry 3 and Blood Dragon, Deus Ex-Human Revolution (oh that really annoyed me what they did to the female characters- kidnapped one, killed the other) Deus Ex the Fall (grizzled white male again), the X series of space simulators prior to the reboot. . I am going to ignore the strategy games, besides the ones mentioned (cause of obvious reasons I would hope). And this is just from my list of games. I won't bother making the list bigger because I don't have the time.
Dead or Alive fighting game series, not the weird spin-offs. GTA is based on how America is portrayed in the media, so you have only yourselves to blame, however you're forgetting GTA: San Andreas. The original Tomb Raider series was a good up until Tomb Raider: Chronicles I believe.

Assassin's Creed is set in a historic settings and Warhammer 40k is set in the far future, I'm not sure space marines count as "humans" anyway. None of the other games are that good and so I haven't played them as a result. Maybe you should just buy the good games, instead of all the casual ones? I mean you've been buying all these "non-diverse" games, then complain that games aren't diverse any more, gee I wonder why that is?
 

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Still skimpy outfits and really annoying physics for Dead or Alive.
America isn't based on how it is portrayed in the media, it is a freaking parody of the American dream and the Californian lifestyle. Yay one game in the series totally demolishes my argument. No it doesn't, as there is still the remaining issues with the other. Again ONE EXAMPLE doesnt erase the overwhelming majority.

Assassin's Creed and historic settings have never meshed properly in my eyes. I mean come the fuck on "First Civilization enslaves humans and we rise up and defeat a superior civilization"? That is even worse than the American myths regarding their War of Independence, fighting the English single-handedly. The only Assassin's Creed even remotely historic was the first one. Before they lumped in the whole BS about Minerva/Juno/whatever the fuck they are called and even that has issues with regards . If you take a look at European history you will see that women did have rights (granted not compared to what we have today in Europe and the West) and some were able to get power and some even lead armies. But hey "historical setting" in case of gaming is just a byword for "I want games to pander just to me, so I want grizzled white males gargling rocks with a submissive female clinging to his thigh".

Have we learned nothing from the idea of absolute statements? If we look at historical studies, the ideas that spawned from the 19th century are all wrong. Europe was in contact with the Ottoman Empire, which spanned from south of the Danube, to Poland and Austria (minus the Romanian countries of Muntenia and Moldova as they were vassal states after 1601) to the borders of Ethiopia. Borders were far more fluid back then today, so the idea of controlling borders with absolutely NO LEAK whatsoever has always been BS. Globalization has been a force since the late freaking 15th century, when the first colonial empires rose. Hell America is learning that the hard way right now (well past 15 years anyways). SO black people were present in Europe, as traders and soldiers. Again there are enough historical records of women achieving power in the West to put to rest the idea of women having no rights. Same with art and sexuality.

And in Warhammer 40k yes they are human, since they were born human. Their augmentations happen when they are teenagers. They would be a new race of humans if they bred and gave their augmentations to the next generations. ALso if you look at the lore women can't accept the augmentations (stupid Games Workshop, get some fucking biology lessons) because of the missing Y chromosome (what a retarded excuse- but at least they made it up a bit with Adepta Sororitas or my favorite nickname Nuns with Guns). So breeding wouldn't have happened. Also guess what: the Space Marines are asexual, as in they feel absolutely no urge or desire to have sex, having it removed during their training and hypno-indoctrination.

Also the whole "All the other games I haven't played cause they aren't that good" just shows your ignorance on the matter at hand. You played some games that you call "diverse" and believe that the trouble is solved. No it isn't. That is just the status quo. A status quo that has been in place since the freaking 80s, after the freaking crash. And I blame the publishers for that shit. And now that new segments of gaming are coming up and say that they want better representation,people like you fight for the status quo, which btw isn't that nice if we take a good long look at the community.
Hell a news report just popped up about Star Wars first canonical LGBT character (canon is what Disney says it is- not what your headcanon says) and guess what the comments are like : "OMG a lesbian" "diversity for diversity's sake" and ad naseum. So yea.

At least some publishers/developers are starting to see the writing on the wall and see that the white male teenagers aren't actually the majority of gaming anymore. Hence why we got Blizzard asking for criticism and listening to it. I'd rather play Gone Home than another bland piece of crap Call of Duty 2015 premium Battlefield Edition (yes I would- I really liked Spec Ops because of the inversion it had on the genre).

Edit: wall of text hits for 90001. Damn today I am really pissed off. I don't think I slept properly last night.